Ishanga

There is the path of finding Truth via Suffering, but I think it is a very hard path and a risky one, One can tend to not get out of the Suffering and it swallows them up whole and then they are stuck there Suffering. The path of Bliss is much safer and in the end its is a allot more fun and enjoyable, but to each their own, they have to choose which path is correct for them, that is the whole idea behind Free Will, or the ability to Respond, this is our basic Human ability that makes us Human!

The Basics are this, the Question itself is Egoic, and not even needed, we should not be concerned if Sadhguru is Awake/Enlightened or whatever, as none of us really know, we can only judge and evaluate from afar.. On a physical level alone, to do the Save Soil Movement, riding on a Motorcycle like he did at his age, well all I can see is that he has something going on within himself that pretty well no one else has access too, maybe 10 ppl in the world, so that says allot.. All we should be concerned about is does his methods work, if so use them, if not don't use them...

Using the term Dreams is also a misnomer in my books, as Dream implies not real, Life is Real, what is happening in certain parts of the world is absolutely Real, to tell them it is just a dream and they would kill You on the spot, so life is a Real as it gets, those that understand as otherwise are not in the knowing.. The key is not to suffer it, by suffering it you add to the suffering and stifle Your Potential, You just accept it, and then use it too empower Yourself and be the Light You want to See in the world, an example of sorts.. What we are here as Humans are Potentials being put in a situations that allows us to use Free Will to choose what Potential arise in our lives and what do not, so its all up to us, not some God or dreamland that doesn't exist lol!

I would say Leo is a Jnana yogi (one who comes to realization of reality thru self knowledge or the study and/or contemplation of Knowing/knowledge), but he has said he has done Kriya Yoga and other breathing exercises for whatever reason, maybe that help and he is natural more aware or something along those lines but for sure his intellect is spiked and is highly active compared to others.. He's got what I call Detalitus!

You have to start from where You are at right now, this is slightly different for each of us as our individual Karmic Makeup is unique, so don't even think about Enlightenment if You still have stress responses, react to things, are a slave to outside situations, needs or desires, first deal with all of that basic stuff, set up a stable base of Emotional Wellbeing and general level of Awareness of Now is all that exists, Accept all that is as it is, once that is in place, Peace and Ease are Your baseline level of Experience, then go forward from there and see what Possibilities come up..

There is No God, no entity, no personified presence of a God, only Existence, we call it by many names, saying it is God is a misnomer as I have said to Davino, but your posts indicate a huge separation btwn us and this so called God which is not really true on all levels. On the Grossest level we are just Bodies of meat, and a bundle of stupid Thoughts and simple dumb desires, on the Absolute Level there is no Body or Mind, we are that which has always been, no God this or that, just purity and grand Intelligence of sorts that is everywhere and anywhere! What determines what we are within this moment is the individuals Awareness Level combined with the aspect of Experience only we are capable of as Humans! If there is No Experience, then there is No point of anything or ability to know or not know anything or everything!

Since you are not Enlightened, how can You judge if he is or is not? What Credibility do You have in Your statement, and by what parameters are You making this judgment? It doesn't matter if he is or isn't Enlightened, does what he shares work, is it effective, that is the more important questions, and no one here can really judge it because no one has been doing what he has been for the last 40+yrs, before many of You were born he was on the road sharing his ways of doing things and raising Human Consciousness, so how can anyone judge a person like that that has that much dedication, when no one here is even close to that themselves?

He allowed this too happen in the Service of others, he sacrificed himself for the Service of Others, Leo is not or has not been doing what he is doing for the service of others, that is a huge difference.. Your the only person ever that I heard say that sacrificing Your own health for others is not a good thing or is an unconscious act, which is very revealing about You! You still have not answered my initial questions how do You know intimately what Sadhguru's level of Consciousness is, how it is determined, You can say You don't need to prove it to anyone what Your level of Consciousness is, that says to me You do not know what is level is, and to be honest who cares, if what he shares works that is all that is important..

My nervous system, like Yours and all others, is not Me, I am not this Body or Mind, but we are deeply Identified with our Body and Mind because we need to be to survive another day, this identification mechanism that is inborn within us is there for a Survival purpose only, as Human Beings we can live way beyond the Survival level of Awareness, that is why we are here, to explore that Potential, and any experience of Suffering within You will stop that Potential from coming into Your Life and Awareness. We are not Everything, rather we have the Potential to be Everything, but we have to choose it, Free Will is the mechanism we use to choose what to be, how to be, when to be, where to be... I choose to not Suffer and be Blissful because this empowers Life Potential within Me, and everyone, Suffering does the opposite, it disempowers potential and stifles it from ever coming into anyone's life!

All Life that has what we call sentience even in a small way has an aspect of Free Will, can make decisions and determine things about their life. From Plants to Insects to Animals to Mammals, Apes then Us Humans, all have a sense of Free Will, it is just Humans have the most Capacity and Capability, because we have the most ability to be Aware of Reality and Conscious (Conscious compared to Asleep, more Conscious You are the more intense Your Awakeness is), Everything though below Human Beings are very limited in their Capacity and Free Will, we are not, we can live below Animal Nature lets say, and we can Live Above Godly nature, and be super compassionate, Giving, Caring, Loving, totally devoid of Self and our own needs, and even beyond this, so that is where the Choice or Free Will is active, not in determining if I drink coffee or tea this morning or what route I use to go to work.. Ants have a certain capacity of free will but they like most animals are more inclined to their natural instincts, but where does this natural instinct come from?? that is the deeper question!

Yes agreed, truly wish You well:) Opps looks like I've reached the posting limit again lol:) see U all later:)

I'm not interested in the deepest understanding, Leo is and due to that he has the life he has, health problems and capable of suffering,. I know what it is like to Suffer, I don't want to ever Suffer, that is way more a priority than Understanding something that will be a never ending process, like counting to infinity, You will waste Your Life, that is very brief, on trying to have a so called Deep understanding. How do You know that now Your Understanding is Deep? Please explain in detail what this means, and how it is determined? My priority beside family, is to have a very Deep Experience of Life and Reality/Truth, via that Suffering is impossible, Bliss is baseline Experience, then Possibility and Potential open up for Me to explore, what that means is anyone's guess but it beats just staying and living at a survival level of accumulating ppl, places, things ,money, security, procreation then dying one day...

Trying or even getting interested in the "How" or "Why" of Existence, this God ppl talk about or the Absolute, means Your starting to get too Serious, just see where this leads, sooner or later You will hit an Intellectual Road Block, the deductive reasoning will break down and Your then stumped, agitated even to a degree then life gets serious.. Don't try to figure it out, or understand it, just Experience it completely and totally, and see what happens, I bet You no Suffering will be possible.. When You are Intellectually Identified, then You want the "How and Why", but intellect divides and separates, do You think Absolute or God is about division and separation?

Its simple, I like to share, what is the problem with it, and if there is a problem, then why is Leo celebrated for sharing his beliefs and system of teaching??

on the contrary, all of Us are embodied Truth, when You go into deep sleep every night, what is keeping Your Heart Beating, Your Blood pressure balanced, the hormones and chemistry flowing thru Your system (some millions of chemistry releases per second), what is controlling or monitoring all of this, and this is just the physical aspect of our embodiment. Sadhguru is not a God, never claimed he was, I am anti God by the way, he is just one of the most Conscious Being Alive today, that is all, and he shares methods on how to get there as well with all interested!

Oh for sure, I am, I never said I was a master of it, but I recognize it within me and promote things that are beyond my current awareness level for the overall good of everyone!

Bravo!! They use the word "God" because deep down its feel empowering for them to do so, they can say God does not mean all powerful, all knowing and such, but in reality that is how they define it in their subconscious/unconscious psyche/mind, so therefore identifying with it makes them feel very powerful, which in the end is a control problem, and is narcissistic, especially when You add in the "I am the only one existing, and I am imagining everything/everyone else" belief... Taking Yourself to seriously results in ppl that have this sort of outlook and it affects their relationships and how they function in the world, Taking Yourself LIghtly, I am just a piece of life, I am here a very short period of time, what I am doing, or who I am does not really mean anything, makes one feel at Ease, no pressure, no control problem, no personality disorders, just Ease of Life, like a cool breeze on a hot summer day!

I haven't personally dealt with this, my parents have passed away, but I did have deep conversations with my Mother about Spirituality, she/we were brought up Lutheran, we went to church and such, but my Mom was probably more into it than the rest of the family, but we were not super religious ppl, but near the end of her life after deep discussion about Reality, she did start to question her beliefs about God and Religion and such.. For Your situation, Learn to make use of everything that happens to You as a way to Enhance or Improve the quality of Your life rather than letting it wound You, so reading Your posts, and other ones, try to look at it as Your Karma, Programing, Conditioned Memory/Unconscious aspects of Your self are coming to light, your emotional response is happening within You to tell You something, learn from it rather than react to it, find that space within You that is not Your emotions or reactions to what Your Mother says, this will give You a sense of space and with a space created You have a different perspective on things that are happening within You and/or around You, use it for empowerment!

You cannot explore Oneness/non Duality.. By what tools do you use to explore with? Find the answer to that, and You will discover that when it comes to the place of Oneness, Absolute, God, Infinity, Brahman, you as an entity with a Body and Mind cannot explore it, only intellectually and that doesn't mean anything, it just creates belief systems in Your head, you believe it today, you disbelieve it tomorrow and it goes on and on..

First master the basics, Learn How to Breath Correctly (this is huge, the way You breath can control the way You feel within Yourself), learn how to Sit correctly (and unlevel/bent spine can greatly effect the way You feel and respond in life), Learn how to Discern or Judge correctly, to much of either will make life miserable for You, learn how to Think correctly, if You over think, have too many thoughts a day then your a fragmented life, learn to focus on a few things or just one thing for a period of time, this will calm things down for You.. Learn how to BE first and foremost, establish Your BEING, that means Your Internal Experience is Your Responsibility, establish it, control it, BE it, then from that You go out and perform Action, work, relationships, vacation, shopping, creating, etc.,, from this You will Have things or manifest situations and accomplishments in Your life, don't do the opposite, don't DO then HAVE to BE, it causes great suffering living life this way..Nobody gets past the Doing and Having part!

I think You are misinterpreting what he said, he is saying being miserable if the most irresponsible thing, he is not saying to put on a happy face when out is public or in private, so the two are not related. If You are One with this Universe of Yours, or what I would call Truth/Reality/Absolute, then no suffering is possible in your experience. Pain can happen, You can still stub your toe and feel pain, or lose a luv'ed one and feel the pain of it, suffering is different from pain, suffering is Human made and it is reliving the pain of the past over and over again, that is a self created thing, its disempowering and unhealth for our Body, Mind, Emotions and Energy systems, being Blissful is the opposite, it empowers all those things that make You what You are!

What's super interesting is the fact that Cognitive dissonance is very alive and in practice around here.. Leo is the God, all powerful, all knowing being around here, that is for sure, but he today is unhealthy and is capable of Suffering, so why is it that ppl follow him as intensely as they do? Why would they want to follow an unhealthy suffering individual and put him up on a pedestal as high as Being a God or the God? Because they have a belief system established, and it centers around Leo, and that is fine if that is what One is into, but if Your into Truth and Reality then this sort of thing is very far from that. But the truth is that Belief Blinds ppl, they cannot see what is the reality because the Belief is like a very muddy window for them, even to a point where a Narcissist is can be labelled as a highly Conscious person, that the two can co exist within the same person, its just nuts imo...

Its interesting, and verifies a theory I have about things in the world and ppl in general, anything and everything today can be Intellectually Justified, even You being more inclined to be a Narcissist you can still believe that You are more Conscious than Sadhguru, its really funny how ppl go thru this justification process to prove a belief they have about themselves to themselves! So now according to You Narcissist are spiritual, okay if that is what You believe more power to You:)

I/We are a part of "Life", you see the word "Life" does not mean I am all powerful, all knowing, all creation, and everywhere, so the word "God" as I said to Davino is not the right word, We are Life, the Bird is Life, Shit is Life, it is just that as a Human we are the most capable when it comes to Consciousness/Awareness that we are this Life and it is fundamentally everything, and we have Free Will to choose how to respond to getting shit on by birds! When you proclaim something, that means other are going to interpret it and judge it, so the words You use are very important if You want to communicate what You experience as Truthfully as possible, using the word God as a description of Yourself will not be a truthful definition of what You are since God to billions of ppl means all powerful, all knowing, omnipresence Being...