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@Princess Arabia As he said, the more we "talk" about this stuff, the more intellectual it gets, the more analysis happens then it leads us to endless debates and such, it takes us away from what he is saying and teaching/sharing.. Just notice the cyclical nature of the posts here, solipsism comes up every couple of weeks, I'm God same thing too, so it doesn't helps us really, its entertainment, which is ok in moderation and with Awareness, when those two are absent, then trouble!

Yes, this is the Absolute perspective, nothing is happening, no doer and such things... As I shared that poster, there is Shiva, which means "That which is Not" this is the Absolute, so that which is not is the same as Nothing is happening, no Doer and so forth, but as You go down the list there is Form, on Form level there is a doer, that is that which exists and so forth, so what is all of this? Its all a matter of Potential, within Shiva/Absolute is all the Possibility/Potential that can ever exist, from a piece of shit, to Leo's Alien Consciousness, to whatever comes after that, all Potential, non doing, too doing, non Being to Being, and so forth... If no Experience exists, then its just Absolute.. If Experiences exists, then its Absolute on the Level of Form.. We Humans are here on the Form Level, but we are Absolute fundamentally, as Everything is Potential being put into Form, which comes from Absolute.. You said "from this POV" often in Your post, I have no problem with No Doer, Nothing is Happening, and such, but its Relative to how Conscious one is of the Absolute and the Potentials that exist, we as Humans explore this, that is why we are here, so in relative terms there is something on the level of Form, there is doing on the level of Form, it exists on this level, when You deny it, then Your not Aware of it ALL, Absolute/Non doing/Non Being and Form/Being/Doing... One becomes One Sided, then that leads to all kinds of Situations...

Ok, I would put that in the class of Maya/Illusion, the TV is giving us the effect of Movement, of a Reality taking place, when it is not really taking place, because it is actors playing a role, they are real but the situation is not real, but ppl will get so involved with it that it affects their Experience to a point that it is real for them on the Experience level, so in that sense it is Real.. So reality is only happening on the level of Experience, if no one is there to watch the TV or the program, then in a sense it does not exist, like the analogy of the Tree Falling and making a Sound or doesn't if no one is there to hear it.. This is Subjectivity vs Objectivity, the dilemma or paradox is that all Your Experience is only happening within YOU, You have never experienced anything outside of You, the Experience itself is happening within You, all Your 5 senses bring in data into Your Brain that is within You, Your thoughts happen within You, your Dreams happen within You, Your Ideologies are created and happen within YOU, so in a sense You are the Center of the Universe Experientially, but there are others like You having the same paradox happening, so on the level of Form, there is a You and Me and Reality happening that is Real, on the level of Absolute this is not happening, so its Relativity at Play if Your rooted in Your own Individuality then You will experience Separateness from all Life around You, If Your Inclusive In Your Experience, all Life is within You Experientially and the same.. One is Form level of Consciousness/Awareness, the other is Absolute Level of Consciousness/Awareness, this is the whole point of Yoga and Spiritual Path, to get from one to the other Experientially!

Let me ask You, where does "Appearance" happen, what is "Appearance" and is it important? You keep on mentioning that Nothing is Happening, but only in "Appearance", but if its happening in "Appearance" then it is happening on some sort of level correct? I would say that its happening on the level of Experience, which happens on the level of Form... Reena on her Journal posted this picture, it sort of explains it, it goes from Absolute to Form level, is all of this Real or is just Absolute Real and everything else "Appearance" or what? Also if you notice there is level V or 5, Maya/Illusion, Maya does not mean nothing exists, it means it exists but not as You think or perceive it to be, big difference here...

@r0ckyreed Avoid the fact that we are Mortal, is basically the distraction ploy being played out, we use distraction (social media, video games, entertainment of all sorts, 5 sense pleasure seeking, drugs, etc) so we can avoid all sorts of situational facts that are happening in our lives, especially the fact that someday our bodies will become weaker and eventually fail us and die. Why this happens, why do we lose our physical strength, vitality and endurance? I think this is natures way of making us go Within, to find our Real Selves, and Purpose while Embodied before we lose our Embodiment, just think of it we lose more as we age, this forces us to face impermanency, that everything we come intouch with will leave us, this is a lesson, we need to learn the lesson and go within and then things will work out in the End... One just needs to know that someday we lose our body and the ability to be alive, don't let it emotionally cripple You, just have it there as a simple realization, this should make You focus more on what is important in life and not the stupid shit most of us are doing with wasting our time while here...

There's no denying that, that aspect is everywhere, especially in recent times, corruption has infiltrated every aspect of our World, this is why the raising of Human Consciousness is so important, Corruption is the opposite of Being Conscious or Aware of Life and how Inclusive it is, if You fuck me over, Your fucking everyone over in the end... But sooner or later the West and the rest of the world will come along, its just plain old evolution, we are still like the cave men mentally and consciousness wise, but its slowly changing, the problem is that we don't destroy ourselves first before the World wakes up, we are too empowered today on all levels to destroy ourselves individually and collectively like in a nuclear war or other sort of major disaster...

Huge difference btwn the two men, and as with everything in the West, its watered down.. As a long time Martial Artist, every martial art that came from the east was watered down in the west, a black belt in the east is way more effective and knowledgeable than ones in the west, they have to travel to the east to get the "real" stuff, same situation here, the Yoga in the west is not the real deal, that is all..

Regarding the Health Issues, I think if he focused on it he could be in perfect health, like he was 21 again, but that is not his focus, he's more into doing what he needs to do to help this world become transformed, othewise why build all these temples, why do the talks with various ppl about various issues, why all the travelling and save soil type events, has anyone here travelled, does anyone know what jet lag is?? He goes thru this all the time, plus he's on camera almost 24/7, no privacy for him, so I don't know what it takes for a human being to show what they are and their true colors, if he hasn't done this already, then no one has!

All of what You said has to do with the ppl that are following Sadhguru for the most part, not Sadhguru himself, the real followers are doing the work for themselves, and those that are volunteering full time at the ashrams, they are not focused on Sadhguru as much, they are focused on the work, that entails their own liberation and others. Out of the Millions that follow him, there are those that are nice and "proper" in his presence but when he's not around their ass holes, Sadhguru himself address this.. I think many times he is pretty forthright about it and the hypocrisy of those that are playing the Guru/Disciple game, they do it in public or in front of others but the true stuff has not hit them in their hearts, I don't know how Sadhguru handles it but he does, Blissfully so!!!

what does anything he does have to do with Lying? The talking he does, all the videos on Youtube and such, that is not what he does...

Its the custom in the place he mostly lives and is from, if its not the custom elsewhere that is okay but it is where he is from using the label Guru, Sadhguru means non educated guru, he's not book educated, he comes from his own experience, that is what Sadhguru means... What Your doing is judging him based on Your customs and beliefs, not his...

He says this all the time, don't Look up to anyone, don't look Down on anyone, just see them the way they are, and especially towards him... If ppl still do it, its got nothing to do with him, so its not about Sadhguru watning ppl to look up to him, as he doesn't!

I like Osho allot, I think his biggest take away that he showcased was to confuse ppl, make them disbelieve everything they believed in, he could talk You out of anything and completely change Your Mindset pretty quickly, for sure he is high level of Consciousness!!

The problem with this is that anyone can say anything without all the facts.. Once anything gets "Organized" then things will happen, he cannot control all the ppl involved with running of Isha and the size it is, plus he's free to make decisions about what to do with it as he pleases since he created it, and there Isha Businesses, they have to generate income to support all the things they do otherwise how to do it? When You want to do big things in the world, you will automatically create enemies, certain ppl like things the way they are, and they will fight to the death to keep it that way, so anyone that comes along and tries to change things will face these sorts of ppl. His integrity is intact, he's not about himself or taking, its all about Giving and Transforming, if one cannot see this then what to say, they need much more work on themselves!

He thinks Sadhguru made up all of Indian Cosmology, here is a basic AI explaination of Indian Cosmology. "Indian Cosmology" refers to the beliefs about the origin and development of the universe according to Indian philosophy. It's like a big picture story that different Indian religions have about how everything came to be and what it's made of. It can include ideas about time, space, and the nature of existence that might be different from what you're used to. For example, it might talk about cycles of creation and destruction, or about multiple universes." "The excerpt refers to the concept of 84 universes in Indian cosmology. This belief suggests that our universe is one of 84 which have existed or will exist. Each universe may have its own cycle of creation and dissolution, often compared to the roaring of Shiva, a significant Hindu deity. This idea is part of Hindu and spiritual discussions about parallel universes and the cosmos."

Sadhguru's Shocking Truth About FEMININE Power! In Sanskrit NO Word For Vag!na! | Shiva | Power Of Devi | Feminine | Goddess | Sadhguru |

The issue of Sadhguru holding ppl back, from what I understand of what he has said, at the moment of Enlightenment most all ppl dissolve, that means they Mahasamadhi, as his wife did, they basically physically die, the "Soul" leaves the body, so what would happen if tons of ppl come to his ashram, claim they want Enlightenment, they do the sadhana and then they all mahasamadhi?? It would be chaos, they would have been shut down decades ago for sure.. So just think it thru, he's giving ppl the greatest opportunity they can ever have in Life, its there for them, and he supports them totally, via the temples, ashrams and programs offered... Regarding Devotion, its a tool, like the Deities, they created them to be used as tools, someone is devoteed to a certain God, Temple, Rock or Guru, its a tool they use to get to the Ultimate via their Emotions, they become devoid of self and totally into the object of Devotion. It won't work here in the west, we are too intellectually minded and Individualistic and Narcissistic for the most part... But all these things are tools, name something in Spirituality and I'll show You it as a tool, look at it all this way...

I'm dropping Sadhguru, my new guru is him now! Igor Kufayev

Oh well, another one bites the dust...

No, I told You so first because I posted before You did that someone would say "I told You So".. Told You so!!!

Yes he's worse than Putin, worse than Hitler, worse than even the Donald!!!!

My prediction is within the next 10 posts there will be some "I told You so's..." lets see:)

Absolutely, He's Putin level:)

Sadhguru actually holds ppl back, just before they go all the way simply for the reason of public scrutiny and stuff like this, ppl would be suing and charging him like crazy if he let ppl go all the way on the regular, so that is why you don't hear much of the ppl that are involved with Isha being "Enlightened" and such things, plus he wants ppl to stay on this planet and help, not go dissolve and then be gone..

I wonder if it has anything to do with these two, this video is from 8yrs ago... Its a big process to go into any of the programs at Isha after the basic ones, Inner Engineering and Bhavana Spanada, you have to go thru interviews and such, especially the Bramacharyia program from what I've heard, they don't accept everyone that applies!