Ishanga

Temples and Consecrations! Why???

Its not opinion, just look and see.. Its great to have an Experience of Perfection, because Fundamentally that is what Existence is, its set up Perfectly as anything and everything can happen, that is what Possibility Is! But as Humans we have choice and via the choices we have made, its obvious, we created lots and lots of Suffering. its a part of the circle, if Bliss exists Suffering has too as well, so we have to choose and we haven't been choosing Consciously hence we have what we have today, we live in the best time ever on all fronts, but we are suffering more than ever because we lack Consciousness as a whole! Perfection in all truth for me is not a good word to use especially when it comes to Human Life. It means complete Harmony. So just because there is unlimited Possibility does not mean all of it has to be expressed or experienced, Suffering as an Experience is one of those that does not need to be Experienced, Pain is needed on many levels, especially within the Body, if we had no experience of Pain we would not be here talking on this forum because we would not have evolved enough to invent forums or the internet or anything associated with it, so Pain is needed. But ppl are creating their own pain over and over again, this is what it means for Pain to turn into Suffering, and its mostly self inflicted due to Unconsciousness.. Lack of Awareness is imperfect because it means we are living below our Potential.. Just go on the Mental Health Threads, no one there is proclaim Life is Perfect, because there is a serious lack of Awareness from those ppl, that is the whole point of the many Spiritual Methods, to get them to a point of High Awareness and Consciousness so Suffering is avoided and Potentials arise within them, this is basic stuff!!! If You look at everything via the Absolute filter then Yes, everything is Perfect because everything is as it should be (this Moment is Inevitable), that does not mean it has to be this way or that individuals want it this way, its Acceptance that's all, this stops our Stress Response which creates more Suffering in the end.. You get into a Car Accident, You get injured, Your Health is now affected, Your capability is not as it was before, plus Your car is destroyed, having a Stress Response to it makes it worse, You further disable Your ability to deal with it, so as was said before there is Absolute Level of looking at things, then the Relative Level, go to Gaza tell them Life is Perfect, they will Stone You to Death for sure!!

My research into Hinduism via the Yogic Path tells me something similar, that we have Free Will at certain High Levels of Awareness in most Areas of our lives.. If Your Unaware then Free Will, the Ability to Respond, is not available to You, its that simple.. Life for a Human is mostly Subjective in nature, we have never Experienced anything outside of Ourselves, our 5 senses are outward bound but are experienced within the Body, so everything is Subjective and what happens within Your Body can be controlled by you up to an extremely high level.. The most important IMO is How You are Experiencing Life right NOW, Joyfully or Miserably, this set ups a great foundation for Potentials to be exposed to You that normally would not be available to You, in other words being Joyful of Your Own Nature leads directly to Enlightenment.. Karma is here to allow existence as it is on this planet with Dualism, Materialism and Cause/Affect/Consequence to be possible, without Karma there is not existence/creation..but as Humans we can go beyond Karma, via the realization of the NOW moment as You shared above, Life is only found in the NOW moment, we cannot do anything about what is happening or the situation in the NOW moment other than how we Respond to it, if it enslaves us as it does for most ppl, then we are never available to the future Moment that may or may not come but when it comes it is experienced only in the NOW..being available to it is primary as it can be anything we want it too be, unless we are enslaved to the past moments then we are trapped there and suffering it for the most part, which is why suffering is not a good tool to use if You want Enlightenment Possibility in this lifetime..

There's levels to it obviously, don't even think of Enlightenment if Your not already naturally at Ease and in Peaceful Experience regularly, then when that is established Enlightenment is in reach, otherwise if Your up and down emotionally, suffering one day, manic the next, fine the day after that forget it, any sort of Fear response then forget it, Enlightenment is not in your future if You don't take care of the basics.. What I described as ways to establish this foundation, bring Your inner nature too Ease, then go from there...

Not if it doesn't arise in Your Consciousness, but one can use the fact that one day they will die Bodily, and make it an empowerment by not wasting time on stupid things, expediting things and making only the important things to You primary, not flipping around on phones scrolling all day thru social media BS and other such activities that lead to know where fast!!

Yes, but there is way of out the suffering, that is what the methods shared are there for.. Its for Householders, ppl that cannot commit full time to their Sadhana and work with family responsibility and such... If one can even learn a bit of each of these, their suffering will decrease and eventually not arise.. Acceptance of What is, even 50% will take most suffering away.. Acceptance is not about Liking what is, its just a simple exercise of this is the way it is and not stressing about it, when we stop the stress response from happening (fight/flight) then fear will not arise at all.. Live in the NOW, being present moment Aware is crucial, use the past to get wise from not wounded, yes it takes work, this is dissolving the karma, unwinding it, via that and the previous one you cannot Suffer! Via these two the Ability to Respond arises in a strong way, this is Free Will being Exposed to You, then You can determine how to be within Yourself, then life opens up to new and more empowering Potentials!

Wat I'm saying is that generations ago they were too concerned with survival, tending to crops, finding food, secure shelter, and such things to get so trapped and identified with their Mind thinking ideological BS, that they had little fear of anything, when Your busy in life, really doing something worthwhile to You there is no Fear, but when Your Mind identified, everything outside of You is the most important thing, your phone, tik tok, outside information sites like news, entertainment, books/learning etc, then your trapped in garbage that is not even original too You.. Your Mind, everyone's Mind is just a Garbage bin, You have no choice of the Content of this Garbage Bin, but You have the Choice as to identify with it or not, that information is out there for ppl to read and learn about but they don't, hence they live in Fear and Suffering for the most part...

What Fear is there today? We live in the most secure time ever, there is more food security, bodily security, mental security than ever before, I cannot imagine what it was like for previous generations from hundreds of years ago, they must of been tough for sure, but we are here in the Best time ever, now I see lots of crap happening everyday, lots of fuck ups and how things are going wrong, but that is just bad planning, bad set up, unawareness, ppl getting hooked or addicted to stupid things they know will lead them down the road of suffering.. Fear is also a choice, Danger is real for sure, but Fear like Suffering is a choice...Ppl are making the worst choices now, but all is available to them all the information, methods, resources to live high quality lives, but they stay in their fear and suffering as a choice..

Disharmony is the same as saying one is Unconscious.. We live in an information world, the information is available for one to not suffer, there are methods available for one to learn so they don't suffer, many do not go this route because it takes work, much easier to stay in the suffering you already know than venture onwards to high depths of unknown but overall better lives of Wellbeing. This is classical staying in what You know mode, which is a survival instinct, its building up walls of self protection, even though you are suffering via those built walls you stay there because its safe.. Its like never planting the seed and watering it, keeping the seed in your hand and looking at it, its full of potential but you don't want the work of water it, taking care of it so it flowers up one day... Many ppl live this way, that is their Unconscious choice, which causes the disharmony and suffering, whether it is Unconscious or Conscious its still a choice... Again, unless one is being physically or mental tortured by an outside source, which the majority of ppl are not, then the choice is available to them, they just don't make that choice....

My theory on this is that People want Intensity in their Lives, something that makes their hearts beat faster, and they feel "ALIVE", they will do most anything to have this feeling, so for most its much easier to produce Suffering in their lives than Bliss so they do that just to feel Alive, its crazy stupid but this is my take on it, its super Unconscious but a survival instinct of sorts, very low level of living life!!

He's right, Suffering is a choice, Pain is real and will come then go, Suffering is ongoing pain, unless someone from outside is physically or mentally abusing You on a daily basis, then most of the ppl that suffer are self creating it, and its disabling to them!

Its on the survival level, so Your Body and Mind go on another day, its very strong, its takes a huge amount of Awareness to go beyond this survival instinct, which today is translated as more Money, Fame, Experiences, Stuff, Travel, anything outside of Yourself that stimulates the 5 senses , You want more of, its no different from gathering food, shelter,fire or water from when we lived in caves... If You or all Humans were born Enlightened we would have died off long ago, so to keep our species alive and prosperous we have enough awareness just too survive another day generally, unless Your Karma is too go beyond this, which all of us are capable of...

Why did You edit Your first response?

Why do You ask stupid questions? Why do You play the run around game?

See long answer! Same reason why you ask why!

Awareness, its that simple, no Awareness then no idea of Karma, that life is my making, hence life is on autopilot, lived by accident..

Ultimately Yes.. One first has to have a basic Awareness, that there is life beyond surviving and accumulating ppl, places, things and experiences, so in basic language once the Pain of Ignorance hits You, then You either give up and die or strive to go beyond it... Going beyond it is what the Spiritual Path is, its raising of Human Consciousness.. We are naturally born with strong survival instincts, if we were born highly Conscious/Enlightened, then we would not have survived as a species, we'd be too busy looking at an ant and realizing the Brilliance of an Ant Colony, while the Tiger jumps us and eats us alive.. And then there is Karma, if You lived hundreds of lives as normal Human without any sort of Conscious Awareness, then that has to be dealt with, it very hard to overcome that sort of Software running in Your system, its easier today since we have access to so much information, we see something cool we can investigate it like never before and this alone can help us become more Conscious, but there has to be a striving, we are a lazy society today and no one wants to Strive unless it has to do with money, fame or power/control...few go on this path, it was probably in their Karma to do so...

Agreed, there is a point where talking about it like ppl do here as much as they do is not helpful or empowering at all, it keeps them in the thinking logical mind aspect too much, which is basic Survival level of living, we can go way way beyond all of this but action is needed, not thinking and talking about it.. Most Ppl are Thinking About Life, only a few are actually Living Life...

Everything Wim Hof knows is from Yoga...This sort of stuff has been around for thousands of years, what Wim is doing is basic stuff, mostly on the level of physicality, there's much more too it, but its a start, Humans are capable of being Super Human, virtual Jedi's really, but it takes allot of work and Awareness..

Well I don't know if I am qualified really to answer that one lol... But it depends on the Purpose of Reality? And is Purpose or Meaning a real or necessary thing to have a Reality in the First place? When it comes to these sorts of deep deep Questions, which basically comes down to "What is the Nature of Reality or Creation/Absolute/God/Brahma/Shiva", we can't really use logic to explain it or describe it or anything to do with it as it is way beyond Logic right? I have no Conclusions about Reality or Absolute other than it is a Potential and Possibility machine of sorts, we are here to play it all out in a dual, material, karmic way, via Experience, so that in the end Absolute can know itself.. It cannot Know itself via its own Awareness since I think it is not Aware, or has a capacity to be Aware, its just Oneness, Completeness, a Super Duper Intelligence of Sorts. capable of Infinity and beyond which too me means its all Potential and Possibility, so we are here, we don't know for sure where we came from, how it all started, all we can do is play the game which is played on many levels. Awareness for Us is key, its another form of Intelligence that we can use to live higher up the Potential scale, to one day dissolve and go back to Absolute, so as I said on the Absolute Level this is perfect, but down here not so perfect if Suffering is still happening, most of which is our own doing due to a Lack of Awareness...

Because he/she is Unconsciously doing so, Karma at play!

There's some special Sadhana that allows You to generate at Will heat in Your Body, can't remember the name but there are some practices.. Some Scientist tested some Monks, put them in a freezer, even put ice cold towels on them and they warmed them up easily... What is depicted is a special Sadhana or method, there are naked Yogis too roaming around the Himalayas, all of it is a certain method, like austerities and such, its for some, not for the masses...

Unless its a deep fake, lots of work for 15 min of fame to go up there that far and do it as portrayed in the video, probably not so, but could be I give it 80% true, 20% chance its fake...

Well that is it, everything is seen in another light, which indicates levels to things, its okay and needed that there are People on this planet that Experience Bliss and Perfection of Creation, because the majority don't and because of that we have the world that we have today, full of absolute chaos, lost souls, suffering on all levels, the occasional Happy and Healthy person, it should be the other way around, so that is where the imperfection is Objectively speaking, regardless of how I individually subjectively Experience anything, so its an argument of Subjectivity vs Objectivity really, is there both or just one?? Subjectively there could be Absolute Perfection, Objective right now Not SO but there is Potential for it to be Objectively too!

I agree. On the Absolute level where Enlightened Experience exists (whether via Yogic methods or Psychedelics methods) everything is Perfect, this is Bliss or Ecstasy in Experience isn't It? Everything is Perfect is like saying I am so Blissed Out!! But Existence which is an Embodied Expression of Absolute is Relativistic in nature, Subjective in nature, so that is where the Imperfection exists, but yeah in the end it is perfect and or can be Experienced as Perfect, that is out Potential and its Tragic when it is not Experienced this way!!