Ishanga

I don't buy into this because the majority our self suffering! Yes while being Tortured I would not appear to be "Enlightened" but that is not the case, I am not being Tortured daily and I do suffer, but my suffering is minimalized because I am on an Enlightenment path, while most are not, they are living in paradises (just see any celeb, they are living a life in paradise, expressing their creative talent, making tons of money, lots of relationships, lots of admiration and recognition for them and their accomplishments, lots of travel, but they suffer allot!), so that is self suffering which come via Unconsciousness or UnAwareness of what is... The problem is ppl do not really have problems, a real problem is living in Gaza, or Syria or some other war torn, place like Haiti, they have an Excuse for Suffering, and even in those places I bet there are some not suffering, Pain and Suffering are not the samething, You will feel Pain while in Enlightened States, but You won't Suffer, normal ppl suffer after prolonged pain, and most ppl are not being tortured daily or living in war torn places...

Everybody is stuck on the samethings, and its seen in most every thread here now, Ideological Identification, as well as Logically trying to understand Reality.. As I've said before here, nothing written here is Truth, its just a bunch of stories and personal experiences being expressed, but readers get identified with it via belief, they like what they read, identify with it, then argue about it with others, this is anti Truth! Real Truth is just the Experience.. Everything is Experience, no Experience is an Experience, as is every other sense organ input and otherwise... Only question is are You Enjoying it, or Suffering it, answer that question then You know where Your at..The Smart/Wise Person Enjoys it, the dumb/unwise Suffer it...

Ego embraces Your Identity, Opinions/Beliefs, Personality, and allows a Sense of Separation (this is important for Spirituality to exist!).. The Death of Ego means Your Identity is gone, and so is the sense of Separation, Your Experience of that of Completeness and Connection to Everything, but Your Intellect is still intact, Your Personality is there, but You choose when to use it, it doesn't Use You! Enlightenment is the highest Potential for a Human Being to Exist in Experiencially, its all of the above, but the Energies within are super Intense all the time, Your very Present Moment Aware, Peace and Bliss are always there in the background and can be as intense as You want it too be.. Your relatively Healthy, Compassion and Love (including others as Yourself) are natural to You, You dislike only the Actions of the person or thing, not the person or thing itself! You play this Human Game, deal with all situations with openness and clarity, your not a know it all, but are curious about a bunch of things... This is the last Incarnation, no more body/mind complexes to go into again, you merge with Absolute, no individuality anymore!

What he says is true... Living the life I live, everything seems fake or stupid.. I work for an International Corporation, well known, they teach our managers to seem to care, but they don't really because their too busy trying to keep their heads above water, their just like us the front line workers, but they have more say and power, and they don't understand the frontline worker really, even if they used to be one.. This corporation, they make changes, without frontline consultations, which in the end always always makes my/our lives harder, and this process happens weekly, they make a change and inevitably is that my work life is now harder.. All to save money in the end and increase stock market rates and shareholder returns, which is the elite benefitting off my work and doing nothing for it... Governments are no different, each and every politician is out for themselves, thinking "How can I stay in my position of Power and Prestige for as long as I can" at the expense of the avg person paying more and more tax, inflation, and aggravation just to live another day, its all a big scam where ever you look, our society is elite based, the majority get nothing out of it other than another day of torture to endure.. What pains me the most is that we could do and be so much more, its such a Narcissistic society, the best thing that could happen is a total reset, nature will take us all out maybe or we will, and a reset will happen, hopefully more Conscious People are left behind to rebuild and make it much better than it is today!

No I'm not young, 50+.. My problem with Society and what I see daily, for me its just sad to see, not sad emotionally, I don't go home and cry over it, its just a sad state of affairs that's all, the only thing that gets me hot is traffic jams lol, since I drive allot at my work and traffic here is nuts... I don't really buy into life purpose stuff, I've done many things in my life, taught Martial Art professionally, Private Investigation work, Security Work, and many more things, so I've experienced allot already, so much so that what turns most ppl on doesn't for Me, so since i've been into Yoga and Spirituality my main goal is Enlightenment within this lifetime, maybe it will happen, maybe not, but I have normal responsibilities with family and such, so life is pretty good, I just have high standards and think we could be doing much better as a Society and Humanity than we are:)

I would agree with what is shared in the short video... Karma could be likened to Software, its the Conditioning, the Tendencies and Habits, all the stored memory (not just in Your head, think of all the data/memory in Your DNA), and how it is affecting Your right Now Experience, it is Affecting it 10,000%, virtually no one is immune to this process. Karma is present in all things in creation, both living and non living things, if Karma was not a real thing, then there would be no Existence, no Creation, no Forum, no computer, no internet, nothing would exist, because Karma is present, Existence/Reality Exists! Only Humans can live and go beyond Karma, the easiest way I think is to live Absolutely NOW, if Your totally in the Moment, then Karma has no effect on You, problem is can You keep this up Moment by Moment?? It's been said that once You dissolve Your Karma, You are Liberated, and at that exact moment You drop the Body, it is because of Karma that You have a bond with Your Body and Mind (identifications and strong attachments), if all of that is dissolved what is You no longer stays with the Body, and therefore Physical Death happens at the same moment that all Your Karma is dissolved or completed.. So be weary of this process!!!

Love or Hate isn't a "Learning", is an experience You create within, you can either do it Consciously or Unconsciously... And again the above doesn't make any sense...

No... What You said here doesn't make any sense... What I said was there are Possibilities, when it comes to Love, if that is a possibility, then so is Hate, their total opposite sorts of Experience, both are intense emotional experiences but bring about totally different feelings within, and via those feelings certain intentions and actions come from that..and that You, the individual have a choice as to which one to Experience, Love or Hate, choose and see what happens... Your problem now is that Your Hate of Sadhguru or severe dislike has blinded You towards him, everything he says now in Your minds eye is incorrect, wrong or dangerous. Whatever happened, its now caused You to not see what he is saying correctly.... What I suggest is don't listen to his words, I suggest this for everyone, his words are not important, he is not even the one putting up the videos, editing them and figuring out how to do such things, he's just talking to gain the interest of newbies imo.. just observe his actions, do they seem like actions of a conman or someone that is not authentic, and don't cherry pick, look at all of it over the last 30+yrs, then You will know what is what...

The World is not a Trap! The problem is just You! Imagine Your in a absolutely Dark Unfamiliar Room, and Your walking around hitting and bumping against things, and it begins to hurt. Is the Room at fault? No, the problem is You can't see anything because there is no Light! Its the same here, the World is not "Doing" anything to You, to think it is, that the pain You feel is coming from the World, or a source outside of You, is victim mentality, and its takes away Your Power, the Power to Respond, You become a total Slave if You believe this way and live life this Way.. Now as a Human Being, You have the total capacity to take control of all of this, of How You Experience the World, this is your basic right, but we are completely conditioned by our societies that this is not possible, that Life is found outside of You, not within You. This is a total Lie! The whole Point of Spirituality is to realize this Lie and take Your Power Back!

Any sort of self judgement, self love, self respect, self worth, etc, requires "Two" one that judges and one that receives it, so then are there Two of You within or One?? If there are Two or more then Your Schizophrenic, multiple personalities and such disorders, that is the logic he is using... God isn't Love, God/Absolute is any and all Potentials and Possibility. As soon as Love was invented or experienced, Hate was born, both are Possibilities, its up to each individual to determine which one they want to Experience, that is our Free Will, and its available to anyone if they strive for it...

See my reply above...

Yes partly, Consequences are the "residual effect" of all the actions one has taken in their life (and other lives), but Karma to me explains the Why, why are we the way we are, of course its not a detailed why, as each individual is unique in some way, how it operates exactly I do not know, but You are the way You are, You react the way You react, You walk the way you walk because of Karma, genes, tendencies, learning, conditioning etc, if You look at all these words they all imply a sort of memory...So Karma is part Memory on many levels, and Consequences on many levels, most of which we are unconscious of, hence why so many ppl are living via accident and not on purpose for the most part imo..

If every leader was Turquoise, slowly the World would change, the most immediate affect is all wars would stop, all in fighting would stop, things would go quiet for a bit in the world, drama plays and such would begin to disappear, plans would come forth to begin to change how things are done. I would imagine that within 20 to 50yrs some countries would combine or join other countries so there wasn't so many countries to complicate the process of making the world a better place for the masses, after 100yrs there would be One World Government, not like the way the governments are today with polarization and political battles, just unity and harmony... Immediate drastic change will not happen fast because the ppl of today are too identified with certain ways of things, like money, like their beliefs and opinions being of value, their so called freedoms that don't really exist.. This will take some time to integrate the new generations on how to live differently than we have been that last 1000yrs or so which hasn't worked at all one bit! Education would consist not of memorization of facts and figures and math and geometry, rather it would consist of how to maximise Your Potential as Human Being, what are emotions, how does this human mechanism work from inside out. Each individual, rather than growing up in a Economic system that makes you a cog on a wheel for a corporation, it will make You realize Your Creative Genius that is within, You'll be totally free to explore whatever genius that resides within You, and You will have total access to Your Free Will to determine how You want to Experience Life, if we make it that far I would estimate that can happen within 200ys or so if all the leaders of today were Turquoise!

Its true, most of what ppl are doing with their time, beside eating, sleeping, working and reproducing, is distraction, its not only from Loneliness, but from feeling a sense of nothingness or boredom... You only feel Bored because You do not know what Life is Experientially, Boredom is a clear sign that You are not really Alive, or Living, Your just Existing, which for a Human Being is a Tragedy, since we are the most capable live forms to realize what Life Truly Is about! If You change and transform Yourself, You'll never feel lonely again, You'll feel a complete connection with Everything around You, everything in Existence if You want to go that far its there for You to explore, its up to You how much connection You want to feel and experience..

That's true, there's a huge difference btwn an Enlightened person, a Saint, a Yogi and a Guru, as his name respresent a Sadhguru, which means he's an uneducated Guru (his knowing is not from Scripture or a lineage or a teaching, its from Inner Knowing), so yes one can say he is not Enlightened, he is above that classification!

Good Sharing, without Isha and Sadhguru I don't know how my life would be today! What they have shared is invaluable to Me and most everyone that uses it!! The main thing too is that Sadhguru actually offers a method, its not about all the talking and so called Teaching, he says frequently that he is not sharing a Teaching, but a method.. I don't know what the others share method wise, Tolle, or Spira, or Leo other that using psychedelics, which imo are dangerous if used as the sole method...

There is Basic Awareness via the 5 senses, yes they don't tell Us Everything, every little detail but they tell Us enough to allow us to live another day, and if Our Thinking Process was not so identified with they would be enhanced for each individual, almost as good as dogs or cats when it comes to smell, sight and hearing.. Since our neurological system is the most complex and integrated that too allows us a sense of Awareness that most living things do not have.. Then there is Spiritual Awareness which is not via the 5 senses, it is in this area that they say Awareness is Vast, because now Your not just Aware of the Physical realm but the Spiritual One which is everything that is non physical in nature.. You are made up of 5 Bodies, Physical, Mental, Energy, Etheric, Bliss Body, each one is more subtle than the previous one, Energy is the most subtle on the physical side, after that the Etheric is half physical half non physical, Bliss Body is not physical in nature.. So if Your intouch with those last 3 to a high degree, Your Awareness is the size of the Universe!

Yes agreed! There is "something" because its a Possibility.. Taking out all the esoteric words and religious languages and such, if You look at what God is supposed to represent, it reps Potential and Possibility. We are here to play out this game of Potential and Possibility via Existence coming forth, and Experience being possible, and its within a certain sort of Rules paradigm or game, with our set of physics and limitations, maybe/probably there are other places in the universe or other realms where others ways of existence (non carbon) are set up and another sort of "game" is being played, but in the end its all about Potentials/Possibilities coming to life and Experiences being born within an entity of sorts... Here there are all sorts of factors at play, Karma, Duality, Conditioning, Cultures, General Intelligence, Creativity, Ego's, all of this are various degrees and intensities for each entity or individual form.. As well, God/Absolute wants to Experience itself, this is not possible if Experience is not present, so that is how I would say it and understand it!

There are no "problems" in life, just situations! If You freak out and act compulsively, reacting per say, then Your intelligence to get thru the Situation is reduced, but if Your bliss or peace is not affected, your clarity is still there, Your Blissful no matter what, then Your intelligence is always there, that is the teaching, it makes sense!

I think You don't know what he is teaching really! I've studied this man for over a decade now, been in his presence a few times as I've stated.. He is not promising Enlightenment for everyone that follows him or uses his methods, if anything he is saying that at the least You will have a Peaceful Experience naturally! To join the Brahmachari program at Isha, there is a thorough interviewing process, hundreds apply each year, they are not allowing everyone to join it, and its free as far as I know, this is for serious Spiritual practitioners that want to go all the way in this life time, for sure they are doing different Sadhana and Practices that most others are doing, and their picky about who is involved with it, so if he is a "conman" and out to get Your money what is this all about? Also, why spend money on ashrams and temples and statues? Why not just bank all the money coming in for himself, why spend it on that?? He's a Guru for our times, he's set himself up this way, it seems to be working as many are interested and using his methods... At the 3min mark someone asks about liberation, he says that one has to basically set up the right atmosphere for that too happen, the right atmosphere is a Peaceful/Blissful Experience naturally arising for You, if he's selling anything it is that!

First comes the Giving, only us Humans take, we take on all levels, physical, mental, emotional and energetic, but the Giving has to come first, we have too naturally come to a place and experience of Giving, this is what Devotional practice or Experience is, is about being Devoid of Self, pure Giving, and via that one has the Sweetest Experiences naturally, no drugs or any else happening, Taking becomes disempowering if done via the Mind, with all of its mis identifications, then taking becomes unnatural, its becomes egoic and narcissistic, its only about Me and Taking from Everything and other, no giving at all, that is the state of most on various levels of intensity today because the culture promotes it to keep the money coming in! Consciousness is not truly Empty, is Full of Everything, Consciousness meaning the Foundation for Existence and Creation, the super intelligence that is present in everything, if Your in a state one can witness it, I'm sure You have, its inherent within everything this super intelligence, is just our survival instinct takes over and we don't recognize it, but its there, that is pure Giving and Full not empty imo!

Glad You are in this sort of place, its good we have more like You in this sort of Experience!! Reality is neither hurtful or grateful, Reality or Nature is all giving, if You look at this Earth what is is doing everyday? Its Giving, same with the Sun and everything else, it just gives gives and gives some more, that is how we should be, but if Your suffering it, via being somehow "Hurt" or depressed, then You won't give anything, You will take.. So that is up to each of Us, to experience the Giving and be Giving, its our Free Will, we can choose to Give or Take..but reality has no Free Will, it just gives!

America is "anti Civilization", its more of a Game Civilization, where there are Game Masters and participants, the whole point of the game is Money... Money rules the world now because American Culture is taking over, with Money there are way more losers than winners, hence the wealth gap that is growing every year, yes if Your inventive and innovative You could become a million or billionaire, but its highly unlikely, the only good thing about America is its innovation, otherwise its just a game environment with way more losers than winners!

Humans exist, because we are a possibility to be explored, there is a potential within Us that no other life form on this planet has, so we explore it, its a game of sorts, "Can You realize what You are?" sort of game.. The body comes from the Earth, the food You eat, no food no body, so Body is Earth, and it goes back to the Earth at physical death, what You are is not this, You are what was there before You accumulated all that food...

Every group in society, this place could be classified as a cult, cult is not always bad, its just the bad stuff gets publicity because it causes Drama in ppl, which sells tickets and products on the news, ppl luv drama as it makes their hearts beat a bit faster... They are more a sect as Carl said, not a cult, they did their thing, if your not interested they leave You alone, so if Your interested go for it, if not leave it behind, don't over think it...