Ishanga

Everything the way it is now was inevitable to be this way, this can only be said after the fact, not before, so don't forget there is time ticking, only after the moment has taken place, it then becomes the past we can say it was meant to be or inevitable, but the next moment, although metaphysically doesn't not yet exist, can be a new possibility, but if your a slave to what was, the inevitability of that last moment the next one will never be a new possibility..

Why would You think I am offended, I don't care what You think or anyone else, its just a discussion that will be forgotten about in a day or two like all the others, its entertainment so how to be offended by this?? Everything is metaphysical, as everything is intertwined into One thing, we cannot detach the relative from the Absolute, its here then there, then everywhere, to try to talk specifics about it is more non sensical, and just brings You further away from what is the Reality...

Here's my Argument, living in Canada here is what I am hearing on the media, its twofold, first they say the our economies and even culture are intertwined, which it True since I've lived here all my life, I was brought up on American TV, music and such, I know more of their history than I do of Canada, who their presidents were and so forth, we all luv'd to travel to the States and many Canadians are like this, the other side is that some maybe lots maybe not, don't want to become the 51st state, I don't understand why other than having an Identity with Canada, and its history (my Dad was in WW2 so I know all about this stuff)... In the end we are basically the same country, even in the States, not all the states are the same with the same sort of ppl, the ppl in the south are not like the ppl in New York or Boston or California, so its the same situation and tons of suffering is going to come from this identity problem when we are basically the same ppl, with the same culture and values, maybe the Americans are a bit more patriotic and cocky then we are, but I know allot of Impolite Canadians that is for sure!!

No, everything is the way it is due to cause and effect or Karma, previous Action perform, with the residual affect of all those actions coming forth within the present moment, for some this means suffering, for others this means Heavenly Bliss, it all depends on how one interprets it, even on the level of the animals, feed them, love them, have a safe place for them to live in and they will love it and you, but do the opposite and see what happens, its the same with all life, and living things, so its a choice to be made, some life doesn't have really any choice to make, we do as Humans, so life, reality is not just as it is for no reason, there is always Cause and Effect in play on this realm...

A Young Toronto Entrepreneur experiencing Dubai recently and how he thinks about it...

Your turning into another Princess with all this infinity talk, yes we are the infinite, but not exactly in this realm and place, here we have limitations, only via our Experience within are we infinite, otherwise we have lots of limitations, so that is where we much go and find out, we can transcend it via how we are within ourselves but I cannot become bodily or emotionally or mentally Infinite... Here where we all are, with Bodies and Mind etc, we have both aspects, we can choose which one is a reality in our lives, you may choose to be determined, I may choose to be Free, that is what is available to each and all...we cannot talk absolute this or that, it doesn't work like that

Of course its not absolutely Freedom, they have their restrictions too, but from what I know its safe, good weather except for the summer, and close to other places,, but its getting too busy there, traffic is getting bad, construction and such headaches, but they luv their Entrepreneurs, and ppl get motivated and learn at a high learning curve.. As with any place someone has to do the work, its not a perfect place but I think its better than here in Toronto the business center of Canada, which is too scary busy, old infastructure, old politics, crazy ppl, too expensive and such, and much the same or worse in many places in the States, it depends on how much Money You have, if Your rich You live like a king anywhere, but here You still have to deal with the shit weather and bad traffic and hassles.. Dubai is like Florida use to be:) Not sure why I am even responding to You considering who You are...

Well this is because the US has taken a leadership role over the last decades providing certain things to happen for World Trade and so forth, plus it takes tons of $$ to be the powerhouse they became, Europe did not do this since WW2 so that is why they are not in as much debt, but they maybe in the near future and with Russia on their doorstep who's knows if they can handle it on their own... I think the Middle East, the ones in good shape are going to prevail, I don't know for sure, but lots are flocking to places like Dubai where there is more freedom and its safe and good business practices, so who knows.. The US is still the world leader in most things, and the biggest economy so we'll see, China is on the downfall from my sources...complicated, glad I am not a politician lol!!

Hey, Has anyone heard of these Brothers, Onuha Brothers, they hit it big in Dropshipping and started a Street Clothing Brand Called Icon Amsterdam, Samuel the one that started it all catalogued his journey from age 18 to now he's 25, he started flexing allot online, Youtube/Tik Tok of their lifestyle but if You watch his videos he shares allot of gems on how to be a successful Entrepreneur, they partied a bit too much and spent too much for my taste, but his reasoning for spending was that it motivated him to make more, grow the business more and so forth, I think his plan was to bring Icon to $100 million then sell it, he brought his brother on board too Ruben, their from the Netherlands.. But in Early February they went off line, that is when I found them, and what appears to have happened is their in a Dubai Jail for Drug Possession and possibly Trafficking, as they are really strict over there, its sad really, I think they partied too hard and used coke or something else and just go caught up in it since they are so young, but no it seems their life is pretty well screwed. There are rumors that are less as time goes by that this is all a marketing scheme something similar to the Tate Brothers, but I don't think so, as Dubai is strict, and this would ruin their rep in the business world and an embarrassment to their families back home... Whatta think??

From my sources, Europe is not doing so good, neither are we here in North America, at least Canada and the States, I think Trump is trying to change this for the States, we have to do it too for Canada, we've relied on the States for most everything now its biting us in our ass, but in the end we all need one another, these lines on maps are Man made, the Earth is being destroyed by Us, if we all do our own things, then that will make things worse, we need to combine resources, skills and drop the cultures or not be so identified with individual cultures, if we did this that everyone would benefit, not just certain citizens of certain countries while others continue to not prosper and go down as usual.. But I think this is not going to happen until some catastrophe happens and we're forced to do it or humanity dies...

Sadhanapada program, Isha Ashram in India, 7mth program, serious Sadhana everyday, not only sitting meditation but volunteering which is a form of sadhana, and other activities, its doesn't guarantee anything, but its an experience they say, its available for the serious seeker, if you want something more than this they offer Brahmacharya but its limited, hundreds a year apply only a few get in, super dedication required for this... Problem is Leo thinks he already knows, with this nothing more will happen...that is the problem with doing most things solo, You think you've researched but in reality one hasn't!

First in asking Leo if he "Believes", this denotes Free Will, its does he or doesn't he, that is a choice, so that is Free Will.. Determinism is on one level, its called Karma, without Karma or Conditioning, a pre set up then no Existence or Creation can happen, because everything physical is based on a foundation of what happened before, this is determinism.. As a Human You have deterministic aspects to what You are, in simple terms its Genetics, but there are all sorts of Memory/Karma within You, some of it Your Conscious of, some of it You are not, this is where Free Will comes into play, depending on the level of Conscious you have within Your Experience will determine how much Free Will you will have, this sort of Free Will will not allow You to change Your Form at will, going from 5 fingers to 6 as an eg, but it will allow You to determine How You Experience Life right now, if you are ruled by the past/memory or future/imagination or not and/or live where life is found in the present Moment. This is the way for the whole Universe, there are predicable aspects to it, its cyclical, but its still alive and can form life or take it away at Will, so both aspects are present, as a Human we have the most capability to exert or express/feel Free Will as we are at the top of the Consciousness scale compared to all other life forms on this planet, so choice is always available to us if we are Conscious/Aware of it... P.S ppl like determinism because it allows them to feel safe, its a security blanket but this is only on the level of Survival, as a Human we can live way beyond this stage... You build up walls of self protection, but whatever wall You build part of You wants to go beyond this self made wall, that is desire to be more than what You are right now, its never ending until You leave this form and merge with Absolute, this is Enlightenment..

Reality cannot be Understood, its way way too complex, it can only be Experienced, basically its One, Connected, Your it, I am it and we are connected, just different forms.. This is the problem, too much trying to understand, not enough Experiencing, how do You understand anything really other than how to survive another day? Do You understand completely an Atom? One of the smallest things on the physical realm, do You understand it completely and if so how do You know You understand it completely, now take this to to entire physical Universe, do You understand it completely? I highly doubt, most do not understand their own body even, never mind the Universe..and You'll never know if You understand it completely anyways, there's levels to it...

Not to derail this thread but in regards to what You said about how many things we can do at the sametime, Sadhguru answers this brilliantly..

So I've lost a big brother, Mother/Father, and close Nephew (this one to suicide). All fear felt in this context comes from a sense of lack, I will lack something when they are gone, but if You had an Experience of Completeness and someone You loved died, then what comes from that for You? A sense of being Blessed, that You had them in Your life, sharing time and making memories and Love, Friendship, Experiences together.. So one has to choose, to come from a place of lack or completeness, this makes all the difference, when their gone do You feel incomplete, fear, loneliness, depression, anger, a "hole in your heart" or blessed, love, completeness and a smile that You had them in your life???

Yes, but this is the point, don't Experience or Perceive via Ego, that has to be done first, as Ego/Identity is false self, not You, just picked up things mixed in with the already set up Karma.. As I've promoted before, first established BEING, that is You know what You are and are not and are established in what YOU ARE, then go out and perform Action or Have things in life like relationships, success, material things, accomplishments, etc... Whatever the Action coming out of Us, first comes the Intention, the basic Desire, that we can be Aware of, we don't have to be Aware of every tiny word or action, I think if an AI could track this, it probably can today, it would revealing conflicting data, sometimes Your this way, other times that way, its conflicts, but I can know my intentions and Desire, and the context of it all which the AI cannot... Yes this is what I am saying, we can live way beyond what we think we can or are doing on a daily basis, this is what Realizing Potential is all about... We live the most Convenient lives in human history today, and with more distinctive likes/dis likes than ever before, identify with that then life is not lived to its highest Potential, so first establish BEING, via this what about Me drops, your Naturally healthy and happy, and then go out and live it...

Yes, but this is Survival level of life, there is always Struggle when it comes to that, but today we have more security and stability in this area than ever before, more systems are in place than ever before to secure our survival for most ppl, some places Yes they take this away from their citizens but the way to do and how to do it and the ability to do it is available to day like never before.. Pain will always exist, suffering doesn't have to exist for a Human, Accepting is not about just laying down and letting things happen, its stopping the Stress Response from arising within Body and Emotionally which adds to the Struggle that is already there.. If You get into a car accident, that is a struggle now, but not accepting it, causes internal stress, anxiety, bitterness, anger, to the struggle, that part is internal and is how You are reacting to the situation, which is Unconscious action, a Conscious Action would be to accept the accident as happening, not stress, no anxiety, no anger arises, now You can deal with it better... If one want to live and experience beyond the Survival level of Life, then they for sure cannot do via Suffering route...,

When Your Blissful of Your Own nature, everything will appear as Beauty and Your Experience is that of Loving Everything, that is the only way it happens, it won't happen intellectually and by dividing everything, likes and dislikes, conditioning and so forth. Most of Us are not in this state of Bliss always, its may come and go, or never come at all, then this is where ppl see this place as a Hell scape of sorts, on some level this is so, there are ppl Experiencing life and situations as it is in Hell, the opposite is also true, practically we can all be living is a so called Heavenly place, that has outer situations and environments set up almost perfectly, but this is not profitable for the power players, we need workers to set things up.., Just check out Dubai, on the surface it looks perfect, like a space city of the future, but someone not seen for the most part has to be working to make it all happen, they are in a Hell scape probably internally in a way, the one benefitting are in Heaven Scape internally, but all of Us can be available to Heaven internally if we just do simple things internally which makes suffering impossible, pain will still exist but no suffering...

Who interprets the data, the AI? The AI maybe biased, as it is functioning on data given inputted to it which is biased as well.. Why not just gain some internal awareness and do it ourselves?? This is the problem we are looking for outward things to do the work that we can do ourselves.. Ppl go to the movies to be entertained, but we have within Us an Imagination, if You tap into that imagination You can create whatever experience you want to experience, its 4, 5 D, movies are 2D, why downgrade when You do it yourself in a much better way...

Heaving or Hell is an internal thing, there are ppl living today right now and in their Experience this place is an Absolute Heaven, and the opposite is true too, and for sure External situations have an affect on this, but external situations should not be the absolute determinate of how You Experience Life.. The Body is designed to be Healthy for at least 80 yrs if You live right, but our society and culture, industry poison us, but we do have the knowledge to be able to have healthy bodies for long periods of our life, but this is not profitable... The Earth is a living entity, its provides everything we have, our Bodies included, and its very adaptable, we just don't treat is like a part of ourselves, if we did then this would be an absolute paradise on all levels of practicality, now it is not because we have abused it.. Our Minds to are meant to be our slaves, today for most we are slaves to our Minds, its up to Us on how this plays out...

All the problems ppl are having in life is simple due to being Unconscious of what it means to be Human and to what Actions they are doing on a daily, minute by minute basis, Karma is at play and it is ruling them. Karma means action, and the residual effect all the actions You have done in the past and how it affects Your Experience in the present moment where life is found.. Actions are in 4 areas, Body, Mind, Emotion and Energy, how Aware are You of all the actions taking place in these areas? Most of Us are below 1% Aware of any of the actions taking place in these areas, by being Aware I am not talking about Mental thinking Awareness. So because of this Karma is playing out, Actions are happening on autopilot and ppl are living by Accident, hence there is allot of Suffering because of it. There are many Solutions, the basic ones are Living Now Totally (Use past to become Wise, not wounded, use future to plan but don't live there), Accept Everything as it is Totally, this stops all Stress Response from Happening, and Respond to Now Totally rather than React, Responding is Conscious Action, Reacting is Unconscious Action.. if You apply these simple steps, then Peace and Ease is Your Natural State, via that Clarity opens up, and Life Potentials Open up naturally, helping it along with some serious Sadhana will get the job done within this lifetime...

We can do this ourselves, I watch my egoic reactions daily, I'm out and about in the public allot at work, my ego is constantly judging, constantly evaluating and making conclusions, so we can do these sort of tests internally and be aware of what is what within ourselves, its easier of course to do simple tests like the above to get a general understanding, but more complex testing as You describe above would be unpractical, you'd need a scientific team almost to watch you and analyse the data then it gets too much on that side of things...Mindfulness is just this, Your Aware of all the actions taking place within Yourself, the Conscious and Unconscious come into Awareness, then with a space between what is You and not You Experienced You go from there and live life as You see fit, for sure this will bring about Life Empowering Actions to not only Yourself but to every other life around You...

Just experience the Space between what is You and Not You, then the Mind will be in your control and not ruling, and when that happens then You can access much of the mind other than it being a Thinking and Thought making machine totally influenced by what is outside of You via bias sources...

Proof, no Proof, requiring proof, means Ego, Intellect, still not knowing, its like a stranger saying to You that You only have 3 fingers on each hand, You know You have 5, if it bothers You then that is Ego arising, if it doesn't then You know...Knowing vs Believing, Belief is of the Mind, Intellect, Data Collected, Karma being created and live thru, this is not realization, this is just low Potential, tragedy really...

There are literally thousands of forms of Sadhana, Mediation is too general, it really doesn't describe the process, its like saying that I only eat Food, well what type of food, what culture of food, what brand of food, on and on... If You find a certain method boring or not liking it, then that is a sign... Forget about quieting the mind, the whole point of the mind generally is to think, its your identification with it that is the problem not the mind itself, if You think You are the thinking/thoughts then Your too involved, You believe this is what I am, thoughts, opinions, ego, conclusions, teaching, info/data, which is not the case, the key is too know what YOU are not first, then what You are comes into Your Experience.. You can work on the level of the Body, the Mind, the Emotions and/or Energy, these 4 areas makes up most of what makes us Human, find a Sadhana that challenges You in these areas, but works well in Your life, then commit to it, depending on Your Karmic make up it can show results in a week or a year, keep at it, the switching back and forth, starting/stopping/starting is what prevents ppl from experiencing their Potential in Life!!