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Nvm I'm not trying to get in trouble here I like this forum.

Dr. Sally Fallon Morel is an author who writes a series a books focusing on traditional diets throughout history. Her main focus is on indigenous populations prior to colonization. Her research has discovered that indigenous people throughout the world, regardless of the continent, had an average life expectancy of over 100 years. And they didn't need dentist's either. This is contradictory to what we've been taught in school, but she says that there life expectancy dropped only after years of colonization, slavery, war, genocide, disease, eco terrorism, etc. So after living in a refugee state it dropped significantly to about 60, where it remains to this day. There are still places called blue zones which practice a traditional lifestyle and can expect to live that long. However as soon as the standard American diet is introduced it gets cut in half. The key is to focus on what's in season in your climate. She also recommends eating fermented foods and organ meats, while avoiding processed foods and sugar. She also explains how corporate lobbying has replaced healthy foods like butter with margarine, among others. It is also important to understand the natives had a much greater biodiversity of wildfire to choose from. They could literally eat something different everyday. It wasn't until very recently that the industrialized world even understood the concept of a permaculture food forest as an alternative to agriculture. So the original settlers couldn't even fathom that the entire continent was managed as a food forest. They assumed it was just a natural abundance. However after displacing the natives the forest would become over grown and susceptible to disease and wildfires. That in tandem with massive logging has all but eliminated the original food forests. Another key component is to respect your elders, which allowed the elderly to live happily that long. But without a community they will simply die for lack of purpose.

Alright man, I'm not trying to upset anyone or steer anyone down the wrong path. I just thought this was a good place to share ideas with open minded individuals. My quest is for the truth. But I'm sure I have biases and self deception to overcome

Also I'm trying to figure out how you guys put the quotes at the bottom so I can put a disclaimer that my opinions do not reflect those of actualized.

@Leo Gura Most of our modern medicine comes from their knowledge of plants and fungi. They just consumed more wholistic versions of it. They also considered wild wilderness as dirty. It wasn't until modern times that we eventually realized they practiced wide scale permaculture forests. Also we have to considered if the authors of history might have been unaware, or had a vested interest not to share the truth.

@Leo Gura I am not trying to spread information but lesser known research. I truly believe that a majority of information obtained about indigenous people, especially in America, was only obtained after years of being in a refugee status. Which would reflect a shorter lifespan we are all familiar with. Also if this was common knowledge we would have questioned the sad diet much sooner. I can put a disclaimer of imo, if it helps

Research the old world for yourself. See if you find it boring.

@Samsonov I am from Michigan. I have been looking into intentional communities here. However I'm married to someone that does not appreciate the value of community, farming, gardening or work. Unless I'm doing it all. If I could change her perspective we would already be in one. But being comfortable is no incentive to change.

Get in a toxic relationship and have a bunch of kids lol

I use actualized to help myself and others get to the next level of spiral dynamics. Currently see myself as green aspiring to become yellow. However getting rid of judgment is easier said than done.

Raw milk has beneficial bacteria, more vitamins and intact enzymes. Any food can become contaminated with a food borne illness. But pasteurized guarantees you get less from it. We are not machines that consume single ingredients like gasoline. Our digestive system is microbiology at its core. It requires diversity and wholistic foods to maintain a healthy microbiome. Also legumes and vegetable oils are fine in moderation. However it is best to consume them mixed with other foods that have a synergistic effect.

I was really hoping this community would have an open mind enough to see past the veil of deception. So here's another example. I grew up in a small town called Eaton rapids. It's also called the island city bc its surrounded by rivers. The city is held up by large concrete walls. It has 7 bridges of stone,steel and concrete. It has multiple brick and stone mansions, 2 large cathedral churches, 2 humongous factories. One has been abandoned since before I was born, the other converted into apartments. The natives were kicked out in 1830. By 1834 the town was founded and the fist photographs show all of downtown already built, both sides of the road. How could this have been accomplished in 4 years. With a population of 500 in 1860. So this is just one small town. But every town has a similar story in the same time period. Oh yeah it was also famous for its mineral water until the town burnt down. A reoccurring theme in history. But again in the photographs it shows every building made of bricks.

I have been trying to imagine a Turquoise level civilization since before I knew about spiral dynamics. However SD has helped me understand how it can be achieved. In attempting to imagine what it would look like, I believe we can look to history for insight. For example imagine all of the most amazing architectural buildings you've ever seen. Churches, capitols, universities, mansions etc. Now imagine them being inhabited by people with an indigenous mindset. As in harmony with nature, life, humanity etc. Now imagine that humanity was at this stage less than 300 years ago. But after relentless wars and rewriting of history, we have all forgotten our true potential. This is why I think the old world theory is important. So that we can remember what we lost, and how to restore it better than it was.

This isn't going to be in any history book. We have to look at photographic evidence and determine whether it's valid or not. I wish I could figure out how to post pictures. I don't have the answers but the chances of our history being true as it is written is very small.

@BlueOak Your points are almost entirely how I would imagine the old world to have been

@Leo Gura How can you completely dismiss it without even looking into it?

@Bobby_2021 Your ideas are surprising on point for how the old world probably was. Only currency wasn't necessary and mananging the climate of the planet would be about as difficult as planting next year's crops.

@Leo Gura This is why I am asking people to look into the old world theory. Also to have an open mind in that this will not be taught through compulsory education pushing the main stream historical narrative. But to summarize, according to history nearly every brick and mortar structure in America was built in the 1800s. The first photo of any town shows it already completely built, every building and road. Within one to five years after kicking out the natives. Usually within one year. With horse and buggy people. These buildings are so elaborate we cannot recreate them today. I have been in construction over 20 years, the architectural feats are impossible to say the least. Also these structures have miles of underground tunnels connecting each other. Without any proof of construction on the historical record. They are made out of a superior form of concrete we lost the formula for. I could go on but I sincerely suggest you look into this topic yourself.

I'm only scratching the surface of her content. She has written about a dozen books. She also writes about modern groups, living in blue zones. All of which have traditional diets and lifestyles. Which will change according to where you live. When it comes to meat, most Americans primarily eat beef, chicken and pork. Occasionally sheep, fish, and turkey. However indigenous would consume all that and more. Such as bison, elk, deer, moose, grouse, porcupine, rabbit, squirrel, etc. Also they would consume nearly the entire animal, including bone marow and organs. Not just select cuts. They also ate plants, berries, nuts, mushrooms etc. She mentions how they would ferment corn bc they knew it could be toxic by itself. She mentions synergy of eating certain foods together. She compares healthy fat to unnatural fats. As far as butter is concerned it's superior to margarine in every way. That doesn't mean eat sticks of butter. Also when it comes to child mortality, that only applies to indigenous that have been displaced from their ancestral territory by imperial forces. However this goes back to blue zones. Where the individuals have modern amenities like smart phones etc, but still eat traditionally. To elaborate from other sources. Gabor mate mentions in his book how natives don't believe in getting weak and frail as you get older. They would remain functional and happy until death. The hunza tribe is another example of long lifespan. Not only that but they can give birth at 65 without complications and they expect to remain functional into their 90's + to raise then into adulthood. This doesn't mean go live the the mountains and try to survive through fasting and apricot juice. But take what applies to you and your environment, and use it to transition away from the s.a.d diet.

Your teaching an age stuck in stage red, so yeah blue is appropriate. If you want to treat them like adults, teach adults. Also teach them something of genuine value. Something desperately lacking in all school systems.

Any skilled trade is good. Not only will you learn a valuable skill and meet new people regularly. But you'll eventually be able to start your own business. Also for both Amazon or trades, you should be able to listen to audible all day, or some kind of educational content on YouTube. Also see if you can prioritize what you desire, maybe it's not as expensive as you think.

Getting a degree is hard, getting a job is hard, living off the land is hard. All in different ways. But in the end it's about survival. Which is hard by default. For now you could work at a Walmart the next town over where nobody will recognize you if that's your concern. But it really doesn't matter currently. If you want to do something you enjoy, that other people value, the key is time. Do it for 10 years, despite everything, while you fill the time with any job. Or you could spend the next 10 years doing what you love without any money. But I've never heard of that working for anyone ever. Unless your goal is to join an intentional community, but guess what, you'll have to work there too.

If you take this job you could meet a new person every day. You can also study w,e you want in the meantime. If you don't need it, then don't do it. But most people don't have the luxury to be picky imo.

Without financial independence you'll be eating snakes and kangaroos. Unless you find an intentional community. However in a community, a degree is unnecessary. Depends on what you want and in what order.

I agree with Leo's suggestion. Financial independence is key. But this may look different for everyone. I had to be homeless twice, living in the woods out of a pick up truck for years. Supplementing what I couldn't afford with hunting, fishing etc. Getting skilled in the construction trades allowed me to have a small farm with chickens, turkeys and sheep. But this was after 20 years. Also look into the old world. This helped me realize that this place is not boring, and pretty much nobody knows anything about history or how to life should be lived.