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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I'm not. I specifically go out of my way to say we can have distinction and difference rather than JUST separation and still be connected. People are so quick to say we are just one thing and then discard all the distinction and nuance and inter-relation, because they are stimulated by the comfort of it's simplicity. I'm protecting all that, because it is within the distinctions and inter-relations that we grow and evolve and actually move with life. We are not JUST one thing. If we really want to be accurate we are both connected and separate, or to put it another way, still able to have distance and be connected. The are different types and different degrees of connection that layer with different types and different degrees of distance and they all inter-play, creating contrast. Like the distance between a magnet and a metal, that while physically distant are still connected and influencing each other through the magnetic field. So physical separation, but energetic field connection. Both happening at the same time. That is what people lose when they fuse with this idea of one-ness and lose sight of differentiation. But whatever, people can think how they want. It takes being able to hold tension and face resistance of the forces and fields that mediate all those differentiations in order to even balance and understand that bigger picture. Otherwise, people just tunnel-vision back to a single layer understanding of inter-relation. Why? Because our minds are affected by these fields as well, and when you don't balance them properly and see the inter-relations, you come up with faulty and limited conclusions about things.- 71 replies
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They say that “In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king”, but that is far from true. For after generation, after generation such blindness becomes “normal” and vision a faded memory at best or a fairy tale. So the one-eyed man, self-freed, to open but one eye and give voice to his view is met with doubt, ridicule, derision, and accused of superiority and hubris. His words and feelings of vision find no common ground for communication, no bridge of understanding. He is alone, with what in his time “doesn’t exist” in the clouded eyes of a blind society. No, he is no king and has no wish to be. The trials of expansion, burn such paltry things away from him. See, it is completely up to him in this new world of vision and color, no else can see, that no one else dares risk to believe. He has to face this new world and translate it’s meaning all the while shouldering the burden of a world that tells him he is wrong. Can you imagine creating the words for color and all it’s different shades? All the while those around you scoff at such a concept? How do you describe beauty or light to the blind? How do you deal with all the feelings that come from sight, that we take for granted everyday, that he would have no name, no reference for? How do you deal with such a weight of potential with no one at all to turn to and ask if this is “right”. This man who is now so far beyond the edges of this time’s human understanding. Perhaps, many would choose to close that single eye and find solace in being “just like everyone else”. They would tell themselves the rest were right and they were crazy to think such a thing as vision was real. And the beauty of something new to rise again would die in it’s infancy. Could you bear such a death upon your soul? Or do you have it in you to care enough to push through and take on the task of breathing life into something new? I’d like to think that deep down, there is a place in your soul that shakes at the terrible, beautiful costs of such a task, but still nods yes. It’s hard to know and be sure isn’t it? We ask and search and silence answers, unless we have already stepped out on such a road. Such is life. We never feel the burden and then know it, till we take it up in our hands and try to take a step… and that tells us something doesn’t it? We are ALL blind in so many ways. Blind to the depths of our own blindness and the depths of our potential. Blind to whether or not we can take that step, till we do, and when we do, we are blind to the step after. We’re never ready or prepared for something we’ve never done, but that doesn’t mean we can’t succeed and that doesn’t mean we aren’t capable. Just like that one-eyed man, we must step forward to see, all the while still blind in some way, to some degree, but with every step less so. Whether recovering something lost or translating what was never before seen, we have the choice to risk it all and step into our blindness. Or we can choose to stay where everyone else already is, where it’s safe and certain and comfortable. Nothing new, more of the same. The devil you know, but your potential a stranger. So what’s it going to be? Your choice holds immeasurable cost, but is simple. Will you close your eyes or will you step forward into the harsh dazzling light, with one eye open and the other blind, striding both worlds but finding solace in none? A man whose remaining blindness takes on a new meaning. No longer a limitation, that still closed eye becomes a scarred badge of honor and a reminder of all that is left to travel on this long, long road. Do you know why? It’s because that man knows that in his remaining closed eye is all his potential still yet to be realized. A sign that there is still more. Always more. Blindness transformed into the mystery of possibility.
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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Mal Working on the book, transitioning the website, and my radio show with my wife airs in August. Kind of ironic how a forum titled as self-actualization is populated by people who ascribe to the idea of no-self (not all do however). But, at least there were a couple cool people I met, so it's not a total waste. @abrakamowse No, you don't know what I'm "playing" with. You haven't developed those capabilities and sensitivities. You haven't worked with tension to the degree I have and you're armchair quarterbacking with those assumptions. But that's okay, to your perception I'm just some guy. How can I expect you to understand? To me Buddha is a failure who swung the pendulum to the other side, rather than taking the reins of the pendulum itself. But, that's my perspective from my experience. My view of how he's not seeing the bigger picture or the "real moon". People can react how they want to it.- 71 replies
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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Really with the bruce lee quote? You're not pointing at the moon, you are pulling things out of imagination land that isn't grounded in reality whatsoever and choosing to believe them. You have heard or read second-hand that consciousness is this magical nothingness, rather than working with reality and burdening your limitations of awareness, and devoting yourself to expanding them. You're big picture is built off the interpretations of un-grounded experience by people who have spent little to no time at all developing their actual senses and is doing very little in the way of changing your physical reality. Why would I entertain that, when I have so much experience and understanding backed up by the real world that shows me differently? People make up magical stories about attachment and non-attachment filled with pedestalization and aggrandizement. I work with the actual physical forces in real life that propel attraction/attachment and repulsion/non-attachment, and gain a whole new set of feelings and sensations that I've carried with me everyday for years now. People question subjectivity and objectivity, but I see and work with the foundation that bridges them both together in real time, via a staggering number of combinations of patterned motion. People talk about how we are limited by our mind, but I have uncovered and work with structures deeper than my mind, which contrast with it and affect my reality. People talk about having a limitless awareness, yet they are completely unaware of nuance and detail and all the staggering amount of inter-related movements that make up just a single second of change within the limited scope of the human body. And that's not even counting potentiality. How many potentialities can you hold in your head? I've been able to see and act on 8 within a fraction of a second. Are you fast enough to feel a thought attach to you and in that fraction of a second before immersion, choose 8 different potentialities in relation to it? I doubt you have even the foggiest idea of what I'm talking about, because neither you or anyone else on here has spent the years training to pick up on the all the things going on within such a small window of time. How can you hope to properly describe consciousness if you're too slow and dull to see even a thimble full of all the different patterns going on with your very own perceptional system? God you people are arrogant in your delusions. Thinking some two-bit, shallow ass belief about consciousness magically solves everything. Not even realizing or addressing the motivations pushing you to assume such beliefs. The patterns and principles I talk about are inherent all over the world and have been here before humans and any programming of oneness. The same principles I use to balance effect and affect are the same ones found with electrical capacitance and the shifting tides on both the sun and in the ocean. But hey, if you want to believe un-grounded stuff, that's cool. But, don't push it like it's the one ultimate truth, when it's just another iteration of religiosity, requiring blind faith. You talk about capability, but If it was this amazing thing, people who have it, should be able to tell you about the foundational elements of learning. They should be able to learn anything they choose, slow down their perception of time as they choose, they should understand how actual physical reality works, seduction, music, biology, emotional realities, etc. None of these people who believe in this stuff are any more capable for it. But, the stuff I talk about changes me everyday. It evolves me. For me, enlightenment, non-duality, and nothingness, is a pale substitute for actually developing all of who I am. But that's me, everybody has their own journey of evolution to undertake. My road bears fruit with every step.- 71 replies
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Nature can be such a wonderful teacher, but it's lessons can be brutal or beautiful, depending on what you have built to accompany you as you enter it's classroom. For instance, the snow gently falling to the ground, or the sound of rain pattering upon the earth can be a beautiful and comforting experience, while sheltered in a well-built, warm, and cozy home. But, if you are alone in the night without shelter, those very same elements can be an experience of dangerous or even life-threatening consequences. As it is externally, so to is it internally. What you've built or developed inside yourself determines how brutal or how beautiful an experience can be. But rather than bricks or stone what we build and develop are things like courage, care, sensitivity, trust, resiliency, self-authority, clarity, capability, love, desire, appreciation, gratification, gratitude, creativity, empathy, and compassion. These are the things that if they accompany us through life, either make us beautiful or brutal people to be around. Think about how it feels to be around people that have built these things inside them. How warm and cozy it can feel, how inspiring a well developed home of humanity can be. Then think about when these are nowhere to be found, what it feels like to be around someone who lacks these things. How dangerous or even life-threatening it can be. What kind of beings will we build ourselves to be? Are we homes worth sheltering in, or a danger to avoid? As a home do we collapse under the pressure of the elements, or do we stay warm even in the coldest and harshest of environments nature sends our way?
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Thanks and I understand that that is an interpretation you and many others on this board share, but it's not my preference. This reality is one of constant motion and change and there are certain changes I prefer over others, ones that are incredibly precious to me that aid and synergize with current patterns of movements that include systems associated with health, choice, expression, connection, and capability. Those patterns of motion, turned structures are things I put effort in to maintain. I care for them. I protect them against other motions that would destroy the bonds holding them together if they crashed into them without support. Just like hail and other elements of nature can damage and destroy a home if it is not supported, repaired, and cared for. You can accept all you want and label things as "is" all you want, but if you don't put in effort to take care of things and build, you won't be able to survive the elements. Nature or the rain doesn't care how you accept it or what you label it, just like a bullet doesn't. You either build something to deflect it, or you get the hell out of it's way.
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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Foundational Objective Reality is "verified", by consistency of motion and successful application, which I find this whole non-duality stuff woefully inadequate with. Are you mixing up objectivity and subjectivity? I prefer to use the words structure/shape/form/order and dynamics/motion/expression/chaos. Anyways, there is at least one thing that both objectivity and subjectivity share and that is motion/change/activity/life. Movement can form patterns that over-lay, connect and become structures, and it can also be patterns of expression that come from those structures. These different forms of movement contrast and inter-relate with each other, they literally bounce off of each other and that collision creates contrast which are in turn different kinds of motion. That's how sonar works, echo location, that's how seeing works, light bouncing off shit in different patterns, expressing in different colors., that's how our mind works, creating associative thought in contrast to the inner movements and influences/chemistries inside us, as well as the external movements and influences/chemistries that touch us. Whether our level of sensitivity is pinging them on our conscious awareness or not. That contrast is important because it's the same principal that allows you to connect with and gain context from things outside your focal awareness. (which in turn creates a connective chain of contrast that EXPANDS your awareness via synergy). Our brain interprets the contrast of that light well enough for me to navigate a car at speeds that could kill me if I crashed, but luckily objective reality of contrast is verified over and over again via consistent application and success. See, you and others on this site, hear me talk about these things and don't realize that I didn't just get this information intellectually. I didn't just read this stuff, I'm experiencing it everyday and growing and changing from it everyday. I understand structure and dynamics, objectivity and subjectivity, because I've worked for many years to track motion. And like sonar, or navigating by the contrast of light, I can expand my awareness by expanding the depth and breadth of my ability to hold and increase volume of contrast. I'm not limited to just my "thinking" mind. Even though my mind is a self-contained system it is effected and affected by other things inside me that "bounce" off of it much like that light and sonar. I'm fast enough to track how they move, the patterns they have, the forms they take, and the expressions they make. Like Trust. Do you know what Trust is, how it moves, it's patterns, and chemistry? No one seems to, judging from the literature out there. But, I'm fast enough to feel it's effect and affect, or what it feels like and how it shifts me. Motion/change is the most honest thing in the world. If we want to connect and intimately understand the universe we have to understand movement, contrast, and multi-dimensional balance. We have to develop ourselves and evolve, so we can hold a greater volume of inter-relations across multiple tiers, not just within our mind, but throughout our body. This is how growth works, learning works, evolution works. This is how life works. See my response above.- 71 replies
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Salaam replied to Flicker_boy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Well, it's not technically empty, it's filled with potentiality, or the wave form electron cloud that collapses into a point when "touched", plus all the other stuff we just are too limited to detect at this time. I do similar stuff in a way with potentialities, choosing which potentialities I touch and connect with, allowing influence and and immersion onto my mental landscape. I love potentiality. We have to watch jumping to hard conclusions that close ourselves to further potential. Certainty about the wrong things can severely limit our growth, we have to protect potential, and burden the tension of ignorance and limitation in order to stay open to further things that will increase our understandings beyond the limits of what we can currently perceive. So when I hold a rock in my hand I see and feel what I feel, but I don't conclude that "this is what is there". No, instead, this is what I can feel for right now, with potential for more. There is always mystery. I don't mind the tensions that comes from brushing up against the limits of my awareness. Does that make sense for you? I understand that the boundary of that limitation will shift and change as I further sensitize myself and work on the other structures of capability within me. As to what I actually feel, that depends on the rock and it's chemistry with me and what part of my body it's touching. Different rocks will actually have different fields of influence with different parts of my body. I'm thinking the interaction of these fields, coincide with organs or nexus points in the body, which people then pedestalized with chakras or whatever. My abilities have upgraded again since yesterday, so I'll have to play with a rock and see what's changed.- 34 replies
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Salaam replied to Flicker_boy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
End and begin are kind of extreme concepts that give people the impression of extreme boundaries, that sever from our perspective the chain of perpetual motion. It's a limitation, from lacking nuance and being unable to hold and process everything actually going on, especially transitions. There is a balanced spectrum between solidity and energy, and that balance means that even the most solid of things, still has some degree of porousness. Conceptual understandings of ending and beginning, tend to violate that reality. Nothing "ends" it changes and transforms it's structure, with varying distributions of solidity or ephemeralness, with commensurate degrees of ability and expression. It's much healthier to focus on change and degrees of change Or specifically in this case degrees and tiers of solidity to ephemeral, while also grounding yourself within your current limitations of awareness. Instead of end and begin, we can say there is a physical barrier of our skin that can attach through touch and connect with those rocks. The magnetic fields within those rocks are ephemeral enough to pass through my skin and connect inside me and fuse with my inner experience. I can eat the damn sand if I want and my body will break it down into smaller parts that my various cells can then connect and fuse with, which will probably have a small to negligible influence that my awareness can pick up on. So with that said, it's not where you and the rock begin and end. It's more in what different ways you and the sand can connect, and to what degree that connection influences your centralized awareness within a moment. Distinct sub-systems, within a larger system. Much like our liver is a sub-system within our larger bodily system. It is connected and an integral part of maintaining the structure of who we are, but is also at the same time distinct with a realm of it's own experience and health.- 34 replies
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Salaam replied to Salaam's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
So I guess I'll share an experience I had yesterday and the day before... maybe it'll get the ball rolling or whatever. Where I am now in life, I feel what some may call the void at all times in parallel with normal emotions and feelings (I've been working everyday at this for over 6 years). It feels like a thickness in the air, like an electron cloud or something, that can get so thick and so dense I can't even close my hand around it. Having this feeling at all times, compounds and changes the types of things I feel and experience, because what we feel depends upon how all the moving parts contrast within an experience. In other words, because I have this extra set of feelings in parallel with emotion, different things attach and happen to me, then before when I only had singular human emotions. So the day before yesterday, this flavor attached to me that caused me tremendous pain and blocked me from being able to interact and emote with others without shards of even more pain and anger assaulting me. I endured for like 6 hours straight before being able to insert my will at it's attachment point and create a space between it and me, so my normal emotions could "breathe". Then yesterday, while at home I felt that pain start to come back and I clenched my fists and noticed that clenching my fists brought that cloud to pool into my hands and the pain faded. I realized then, that I had fused with this energy and it wasn't maliciously hurting me or anything. What was happening was that I was unwittingly letting all that energy pool and build up in my head, basically super-heating my brain with activity, pressure, and heat, and smothering my other feelings from having a chance to express. So after that realization, I started moving it all over my body and I noticed that whenever I would think that cloud would move into my head, partially if other parts of my body were involved with my focus through expression, or totally in my head causing me pain if I went too deep in thought. So I then spent the rest of the night only thinking in spurts and keeping the majority of the cloud energy contained below my neck. Tracking and observing my activity levels around my body, based on the contrast of this shifting cloud inside me. It's pretty cool, because it allows me to play my body like a violin. Moving this way with the cloud brings about certain feelings, another way brings about relaxation, another way triumph, euphoria, pleasant happiness, etc.. I should be able to map my emotive landscape just by moving around and feeling out different positions. But really, I'm just super glad that it's under my control now, because I hate not being able to express how I want or enjoy the beautiful things in my life, because of things fusing with me in stressful ways. I'm working with it now as I type, as soon as I woke up I was immediately working with it. Which actually helps with the cortisol and stress that occurs upon waking quite a bit. It's super nice, being able to balance the energetic activity loads or whatever that go on inside me, plus being able to position myself like a musical instrument for feelings and realities, rather than just "thinking" or whatever. I'll most likely spend the next couple days working with it and learning as I go. Should be fun. -
Salaam replied to Salaam's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. Yea, I wasn't expecting people to be considering time while immersed, more a general estimation upon reflection ? -
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Let's try to restrain ourselves from talking about various beliefs of what it "is". Report duration, capability, sensitivity, resiliency, sensation, physical change... -
Salaam replied to Flicker_boy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@cetus56 Nice. Do you know what is the difference between that rock and that sand? The degree of connective force and it's flavor of chemistry. Do people think about the nuance involved in attachment and non-attachment? There are levels of attachment. From touching (like the sand particles) to interlocking (like a man and a woman during sex), to fusing (like the heat and pressure that melted and formed that rock). There are also levels of non-attachment, i.e. distance. Like with a magnet and a metal, the degrees of distance will carry with it a palpable feel of degrees of intensity of electromagnetic connective pull. The closer the metal to the magnet, the stronger the pull, the farther away, the weaker. Does the pull ever disappear or disconnect? No, it just grows more and more ephemeral and harder to detect (which is why developing sensitivity is important). It's influence becoming less and less, replaced by a more dominant/closer/intense connective influence. Even non-attachment isn't absolute disconnection, it's localized distance on just one plane of many or a local boundary on just one plane of many. An example would be two people talking on the phone in different countries. Our bodies are distant, but our voices are close and audible, due to the hundreds of cooperative inter-relations that include our phones, satellite network, electricity, and other shit. Quantum entanglement will be similar in action I bet, it's just that the cooperative inter-relations will be mind-blowingly more diverse and ephemeral. If you just focus on a single plane, a person won't understand how the universe really works. You will only have a fraction of all the context at play, like trying to understand a book of a billion pages, by reading only a single paragraph from it's writings. We have to work on holding as many planes of movement as possible within our perspective, while also balancing them, so both their individual and collective movements are coherent, cohesive, and understandable. However, such a task takes tremendous effort. We have to evolve and grow to be able to do so. Humans as we currently are, won't cut it.- 34 replies
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Salaam replied to Flicker_boy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Sand isn't just sand though. It's quartz and feldspar and mica, and a whole host of other minerals all mixed together. Are they connected? Yes. Are they just all one unified thing? No. They are connected, but also individually distinct, that can change and form different combinations depending on chemistry and context. It's not JUST one substance. Its one AND multiplicity, so not oneness, not duality, but multi-dimensionality People destroy nuance and lose the multi-dimensionality part with their fixations on oneness. It's people chasing comfort and still having evolving to do that causes that in my opinion.- 34 replies
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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I feel that there are multiple fields that shift and change into and out of each other depending on the specific context at play. Have you ever stopped and wondered why everybody wants or seeks this idea of "one thing" that unifies and solves everything? Why do we always try to funnel everything down into singular isolation? Isn't it possible that the drive for the comfort of such simplicity corrupts the nuance and eventual understanding of how the world actually is? The universe can still be connected, while still being distinct, different, and diverse. Individuality does not automatically equate to isolation or disconnection. It is the flaws in the current level of perceptional human evolution, carried over as an unconscious bias that perpetuates such mistakes. Humans lack tension resiliency and find it hard to maintain a view attached to multiple contexts at one time. Usually the greater the emotional charge, the greater the tunnel vision/singular focus. And what is more emotionally charged than our belief about the very fabric of existence? In this link from @abrakamowse https://www.technologyreview.com/s/427174/einsteins-spooky-action-at-a-distance-paradox-older-than-thought/ Notice how it was the addition of more context (quantum engtanglement) that changed the believed correctness of Bohr's assumption. It added another dimension of movement, that changed the "rules" of what could be considered possible. This is how reality works. Every paradox or duality that has been resolved comes from increasing dimensionality. I do it all the time in my own life. For instance, the duality of pleasure and pain. I solve by stacking and layering them on top of each other, so even pain feels great, like being bitten during sex. So rather then a one dimensional plane, or a combative two dimensional orientation with one replacing the other, I've got multiple dimensions of cooperative movement. Synergy, where people commonly believe such synergy can't occur. Bundles and tiers of diverse inter-dependent and balanced emotions, rather than one singular emotion. Like bundles of diverse muscle fiber compared to a singular strand. Which is more likely to be capable enough to flex and carry a mechanical load? More options, more potential, more variations in view and understanding. Diversity through multidimensionality.- 71 replies
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@Fishy Thanks! I'm glad you could feel it I look at every experience as having both an effect and an affect, which to me means how it feels, and how it shifts and changes you respectively. So in a way, the effect is the weather, and the affect is where the elements from that weather collide against the home of who you are. Sometimes the weather is nice and sunny and sometimes it's cold and harsh and can kill you, but rather than gain power to "change" the weather, my focus is on building character, so I have a stronger home. When the weather is rough, I'm not yelling at the weather or running away from it. I deal with it and use it as a reference for what I should be focused on building to counterbalance it (while still filtering out bullshit, dead-end directions). One small millimeter at a time I build, regardless of whether it changes the current "weather" I'm feeling or not. So with a stronger home, we can face weather like fear and pain and terror and aggression and still be a warm place for me and others.
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Salaam replied to Light_Ray's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
See, as soon as you think deeply about stuff like this you see the flaws. A world without different things that contrast and have a chemistry with each other would not be able to support any kind of life. There are 118 elements on the periodic table and they all have different reactions and chemistries with each other. How would the world work if there was only one element? What would it combine with to form blood, bone, organ, and muscle tissue? Non-duality goes against the theory of relativity, but multi-dimensionality and relativity work together for real practical success in life. "When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity." ~ Albert Einstein In the quote above you have quite a few inter-relations, not one (actually there are millions inherent to the quote above, we have to evolve to be able to have awareness of them all). You have pleasure x immersion x attenuation of the parasympathetic nervous system x perception of time - versus - pain x immersion x attenuation of the sympathetic nervous system x perception of time. Not only are there different kinds of motion (not just one), but different combinations of motion, having different combinations of effect and affect with each other, depending upon how they inter-relate. Without difference you have no axis, just a single plane, and reality simply does not work in that way. The universe is not one-dimensional, AND it's not 2-dimensional (duality), it's multi-dimensional. Humans have to step forwards into multi-dimensionality and evolution, not backwards into being one-dimensional.- 71 replies
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Salaam replied to Raquel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
My pleasure and will do It airs August 9th, but I'll put up a link as long as it doesn't violate any of the advertising rules on this forum. -
@Extreme Z7 Yup, I have a thing I call the capability circuit which helps me keep track of all the things required for learning (that I'm aware of) and two of it's elements are Awareness/Sensitivity/Experience and Ignorance/Mystery/Potential. At first glance those two elements might seems diametrically opposed (if you look at them in isolation), but in reality they counter-balance and synergize with each other.
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Salaam replied to Raquel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
In my experience love is a very fragile, but very powerful and beautiful type of bond/connection (not all connections are loving). It is alive in a way, in that it has a health, and the integrity of that health can be damaged and destroyed, or nurtured and developed. Love as a bond, can express itself in many different flavors of feeling. So you have types of love, or different forms of love, AND different flavors or expressions of love. Again, one part is the different forms of love and the second part is the different expressions of love. Much like there are different shapes or forms of people and different expressions from those forms or shapes of people. Those two parts share an axis of inter-relation. Love is not JUST a projection of inward feelings. While it is felt inside us, it can also be shared by two people who are both connecting and resonating expressions of love through that bond. Love can EXUDE from a person and be felt or recognized, even by people whom that love is not necessarily directed towards. Also, the health of love is dependent upon a level of care from both people. For example, it's hard to feel love for someone if they are invalidating it by making the bond abusive rather than loving. Such a state, damages the trust that the bond of love needs. Deep abiding love, seems to always contain at least five things. Those five things are Desire, Appreciation, Gratification, Gratitude, and Trust. When these 5 things are healthy and working together in synergy, we tend to naturally use words like "love". When they are missing, we still might have a bond with a person, but the deep love flavor gets hard to access. The love I have for my Wife is deep and immense, like a bottomless ocean of glowing warmth. It's a huge shape inside me, that expresses in many different ways. Like the feeling that who I am right now does not exist without her in my life. I recognize that feeling, I am grateful and appreciative towards it's reality. It brings me a lot of gratification/pleasure to run my mind through all the different experiences that validate and affirm that belief. I feel more seen and recognized by her than by any other person on this planet as she does with me. I've shared with her all my most vulnerable sides and she has shown me over and over again that I can trust her with those sides (as she also feels with me). Not only does she protect them and treat them well, she shows me that they have personal meaning to her (we both do. I earn her love everyday and never take it for granted). My Wife lives and abides by certain standards she has chosen, as we all do in one way or another, but she shows me everyday that caring for me, and holding that care deep inside her as something precious is a part of that standard. She embodies the most precious things in the world to me and I have risked and fought for her and that love in ways most people will never experience. Yea... love is not just a well you drink from and feel. No, you dig that well with another, you protect it from being poisoned. You spend time around that well together. You share in deciding its growth and evolution. You celebrate it's changes together, as you also work together through it's challenges. God I love, love My wife and I are starting a radio show together next month and our first episode is about how to protect and nurture love. -
Yup, there are specific contexts, where ignorance is helpful. Targeted, chosen ignorance, where the choice for such mystery comes from confidence and courage (that's hopefully grounded in reality), rather than depending upon being "safe" in order to act. Uncertainty, mystery, can be the spice of life. Like, going on vacation with only a loose set of plans and an eye for adventure. Or talking to women, with no pre-set tactics, just authenticity and trust that expressing who you are can be inherently attractive. A lot of times, our motivations for certainty and knowledge are rooted in fear and feelings of incapability. It behooves us to understand that sometimes we grow more, not by having answers in that way, but by facing the root causes of that fear and incapability. Which also often means, facing periods of uncertainty and imbalance. Pushing or stepping off of that cliff into the unknown and making our own wings on the fly. Succeeding in such a choice is a precious experience to have, because it engenders trusting in yourself as much as trusting in your "intel" at the time. Plus, we make ourselves dull, arrogant, and un-creative if we allow ourselves to operate under the assumption that we know everything already. Staying connected and sensitive to our ignorance, protects our openness to new potential, and it keeps us humble and observant (we don't just immediately discard anything that doesn't fit with our world view. Instead we question it and ourselves).
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Salaam replied to Bruno's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@charlie2dogs I'm finished? What is this mortal kombat? Are you going to delete my account or something? How am I finished in this imaginary little scenario of yours? And the way I've talked to you? I've questioned you on content, accountability, and depth of detail. If you can't handle that, you're not going to go very far in the real world. For all your talk of being awakened and all that, you seem to lack emotional resiliency in the face of stress. And no my expectations of value from you, have been low for quite some time. -
Salaam replied to Bruno's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@charlie2dogs ? see that's the good thing about having standards rooted in reality. You set them in place so you're not fooling yourself. What kinds of standards do you have set for yourself? Do you take the time to balance certainty and ignorance? Pride and humility? Do understand the process of internalization and how to manage validation in context specific ways? Do you understand how creativity and limitation inter-relate? -
Salaam replied to Bruno's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@charlie2dogs lol, come on man. You can be aggressive with me if you want, I don't mind, but give me detail, examples. Lets be realistic. Let's have standards of accountability and coherency. Everything I write about here has some objective mirror or connection to reality. Does yours?