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Pain is a thought. Suffering is a thought. It’s a mental drama you’re playing out with yourself. Once you realise this it isn’t complicated; it’s obvious, it’s not hard, and it’s not only for the Buddha or Christ (that’s a fantasy). It’s like if you knew only one language…let’s call it “the bad language”….and then suddenly discovered another language, “the good language.” Every time you thought in the bad language, you would experience suffering. But once you’d learned the good language, it wouldn’t be hard to start thinking in it instead. It would take some effort, but you’d always know that whenever you were suffering, you were simply thinking in the bad language. And from there, you could choose not to do that. Meaning, realizing this doesn’t mean you’re suddenly free of all patterns….you’ll still have conditioned responses and habits to work through. But you’ll have the ability to start catching yourself in the act and making changes. Physical pain might seem different…more concrete. But I’ve managed to create enjoyable relationships with many experiences that would typically be labeled as “painful.” I’m not saying you will completely overcome suffering, but you can eliminate it by 90%, no need to manufacture what is already coming your way. But the reason you have such a hard time letting go of your addiction to suffering is that you are deeply identified with it, your whole world is constant problems and suffering. Some might argue that suffering is part of the Absolute truth. And of course that’s correct. And what? Just because all things are part of the Absolute doesn’t mean you’re compelled to act them out. Recognizing something as part of reality doesn’t mean you have to embody it. Killing people is part of the Absolute truth, that doesn’t mean you have to do that voluntarily. The reason for your suffering is way more likely to be your lack of awareness and incompetence, rather than you being some messiah. Be honest with yourself, do you really want to suffer?

@Eph75 I don’t think that’s a mature way of communicating….not the insult itself, but the laziness of not supporting your point or specifying whom it’s directed at. The standards should be higher. @Leo Gura

I made these experiences pleasurable by removing/ignoring the negative stories I told myself about them. I first discovered this when I was getting into running…I used to be overweight and hated running because of the ideas and labels I attached to it. Once I let go of those, it sparked a curiosity that spread into other areas. Here are some examples; Muscle cramps, muscle soreness, headaches, tooth pain and extreme exhaustion (I have ran ultradistances in extreme condotions, such as in the desert in the middle east and in snow storm in Iceland). It’s also not just about manipulating the narrative around these experiences….it’s about what’s actually there when you drop the resistance. Once the resistance is gone, what’s left is often genuinely pleasurable. This doesn’t mean I ignore the signs my body is giving me, but it allows for a pleasurable experience rather than the opposite. This has also deepened with some of my recent awakenings. I’ve realized that, at its core, everything is absolutely beautiful/perfect….pure metaphysical love(hard to put it in words). I know it sounds insane but I can genuinely see even the most horrible things as beautiful or perfect. I’m fully aware this doesn’t fit into our reality/survival, I still have my biases and agendas, and I know certain actions have serious consequences. But it has undeniably shaped how I experience reality, it allowes alot more room for exploration.

@Malekakisioannis I understand you are suffering but try to ask yourself why your idea of the experience of pain is so biased to being ‘bad’? That’s the only unconscious fantasy I can see here. And regarding the headaches, it’s a known phenomenon within the kundalini domain to experience them and, through surrender, find pleasure in the experience. If you’re suffering from it, I suggest you look into it if you need proof outside of yourself. If you are suffering and this is too much for you to swallow, that’s okay, you don’t have to accept any of what I’m saying. I say all this with love and if you are suffering I feel for you, I would just rather show my compassion by potentially give you the opportunity to stop suffering.

Do not put words in my mouth. I did not say all pains can be surrendered neither is that my goal…here is what I said; ”I’m not saying you will completely overcome suffering, but you can eliminate it by 90%” This does not mean I’m saying you cannot surrender all pain, but I have not experienced that and therefore I’m not in a position to tell, are you? If not, I suggest you humble yourself and your assumptions.

I have actually already changed my relationship with headaches…I used to get migraines. You can change the pain into a sort of orgasmic feeling or high if you manage to stay curious and surrender to what you are experiencing.

The difference between religion and Truth is the same as being told what sex is and actually having sex. They have never had sex… Jesus had sex, Muhammad had sex, Gautama had sex, and the word got out…They had sex! They are the chosen ones! Only they can have sex! They tried to tell them, you can have too, they didnt believe it. So the world wrote the Bible, the Quran, the Gita…now they could imagine what it would be like to have sex…they had invented porn, their way of satisfying themselves. Eventually they mixed the fantasy with the real thing, they tricked themselves into beliving that porn is real, that it’s holy. But once in a while, someone comes along who has had real sex and tells them: “Porn is not real, but sex is real and you can have sex right now” They don’t want to. They are scared. They will have to admit their fantasy is not real. “He is a crazy man, only Jesus can have sex” they say, so they never have sex.

Obviously.

Thats your bias.

Spiral Dynamics is very useful when it comes to survival. I also look at it as a tool for navigating how to get my “foot in the door”, to connect with the individual or the magic that’s actually there. But the trap is using it as a hindrance….letting it define people and limit your experience of them. It shrinks people into groups and personalities, ignoring their actual magic. This not only leads to seeing people incorrectly but also behaving in ways that reinforce that image. It can obviously become an attachment, a way to create a sense of safety and structure, bypassing the deeper intelligence that exists beyond the framework. I dont know how @Leo Gura uses the model but saying things like ‘If people would stop acting it, I would stop using it,’ CAN be a sign of overlooking the fact that it’s easy to become selective in what you focus on. By loosening my attachment to these frameworks, I found a much richer and expansive view of reality.

Osho was a pretty unconventional teacher…he didn’t bother with the savior complex, embraced materialism, and had a playful, non-serious approach to life. He seemed to have pretty good understanding of reality(better than most appreciate) , yet he didn’t reject the world/life. Instead, he indulged in it. He embraced luxury, enjoyed life’s pleasures, and even seemed to accept not only his own attachments but also those of others. It’s like he was saying, “Yeah, we have attachments, but that’s just part of the game.” That’s what sets him apart…he didn’t preach renunciation; he embraced and played with life’s contradictions. Osho also didn’t hesitate to call out other spiritual leaders like Gandhi, Jesus, Buddha, and Krishnamurti for falling into dogma or missing deeper truths. Here are some questions; - What’s your take on Osho and his teachings? - Which aspects of his approach resonate with you the most, and why? - In your view, what were his biggest personal limitations or shortcomings, as a teacher and/or in terms of his spiritual growth? Also, if you have a favorite Osho quote or story, I’d love to hear it. You can answer all, any, or none of these…whatever you feel like. Cheers, Ívar

Before you go chasing mystical experiences or following someone’s ideas, shouldn’t you first understand yourself? Without that, whatever you pursue is just another escape, another fantasy. If you don’t know the workings of your own mind, how can you know what’s true? You must begin with the fundamentals…with what is real, here and now. Otherwise, all these beliefs, all these teachings are merely projections of your own confusion. Start with understanding yourself and the nature of reality. Everything else will fall into place once you see clearly.

@puporing I think there’s a deeper understanding behind Osho’s approach to attachment, materialism, and society’s outcasts… While it might look like he had ‘attachments,’ Osho saw them more as something to play with rather than something to suppress. Unlike most spiritual teachers who unconsciously shame life’s pleasures or existence itself, Osho embraced these things intentionally… His contradictions weren’t signs of confusion… they were meant to wake people up, to stop them from relying on him, and to push them towards self-reliance. Materialism wasn’t ‘lower’ or ‘worse’ in Osho’s eyes… He understood that materialism and spirituality aren’t separate… both are part of the same game. Poverty and survival, on the other hand, can be barriers to spiritual growth because they keep people trapped in attachments. But Osho wasn’t moralizing about what’s right or wrong… He understood that real morality doesn’t come from beliefs… it comes from truth. Most people act based on what they think is ‘right,’ but love is actually far more radical than that, and Osho knew this. That’s why he’d say things like, ‘Be who you are, even if the whole world is against you.’ He didn’t reject anything because, at the deepest level, he saw everything as love. He also didn’t focus on helping the poor and the ‘good’ because they already had representatives or were seen as worthy… Osho intentionally worked with the rich and those demonized by society… the ones rejected and dismissed… because they were neglected by the rest of the spiritual world. He saw materialism as a way to burn through desires… Osho understood the foolishness of mankind… that most people need to exhaust their desires before they can even begin to seek the truth in a genuine way. For him, materialism wasn’t something to be avoided or rejected… it was a tool. When we look at reality from the angle of ‘attachment vs. non-attachment,’ we’re still creating a conceptual framework… a construct to make sense of life. But life is much more mysterious than that… Those who are afraid to embrace its fullness use attachment to ground their reality… to create some sense of control. But Osho understood that playing with these constructs… rather than shaming or avoiding them… was the key to real freedom.

Every awakening we have is just another layer of existence we realize but not the “whole” truth. We fall into the trap of attachment by putting our most recent awakening at the 'top,' disregarding everything else in an attempt to find ground for reality. All of it is true, but none of what we perceive to be all of it is all of it; there is always more. “Existence cannot be reduced to a logical formula. It is beyond logic, it is beyond mind. It is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved" -Osho Discuss / tell me how Im wrong.

IF Trump staged the shooting, he would be following these laws from "The 48 Laws of Power" Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of whether this is the case or the likelihood of it happening. I have not investigated the case itself. These points are shared purely to broaden your understanding of the strategic principles that many leaders and emperors have historically operated by. Rather than viewing this as a personal attack on Trump, consider it from a broader, more meta perspective. Law 3: Conceal Your Intentions – The whole plan was secretive, keeping his true intentions hidden from everyone. Law 6: Court Attention at All Costs – The staged shooting grabbed massive media attention, keeping Trump at the center of the spotlight. Law 9: Win Through Your Actions, Never Through Argument – The dramatic event gained sympathy and support through action, not just words. Law 11: Learn to Keep People Dependent on You – This incident made his supporters feel that he's under constant threat and only he can protect them, deepening their dependence on him. Law 17: Keep Others in Suspended Terror: Cultivate an Air of Unpredictability – The shock and uncertainty kept opponents and the public off balance. Law 23: Concentrate Your Forces – He focused on making sure the incident got maximum publicity and impact. Law 27: Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following – The dramatic incident strengthened the loyalty of his supporters, making them rally even more around him, weaponizing christianity. Law 29: Plan All the Way to the End – Such an event required meticulous planning to consider all possible outcomes. Law 32: Play to People’s Fantasies – This tapped into the fears and fantasies of his supporters, creating a narrative of persecution and heroism. Law 37: Create Compelling Spectacles – The staged shooting was a dramatic and compelling event, capturing wide attention and emotional responses. Law 39: Stir Up Waters to Catch Fish – Creating chaos and controversy distracted opponents and dominated the news cycle, letting him control public perception. Law 40: Despise the Free Lunch – He used the incident to reinforce his self-made image, showing he’s not beholden to anyone. Law 26: Keep Your Hands Clean – He made sure others handled the dirty work of staging the incident, keeping his image clean. Law 35: Master the Art of Timing – The timing was critical, happening at a moment when Biden was at his weakest. Law 43: Work on the Hearts and Minds of Others – Presenting himself as a victim elicited sympathy and emotional support, solidifying his bond with his supporters. Law 8: Make Other People Come to You – The incident drew the media, opponents, and the public to focus on him, putting him in control. Law 15: Crush Your Enemy Totally – This dramatic situation aimed to completely discredit and weaken his opponents or the belief of their followers in them. Law 28: Enter Action with Boldness – Staging such a dramatic event was a bold move, showing his decisiveness and willingness to take risks. Law 31: Control the Options: Get Others to Play with the Cards You Deal – He framed the narrative around the shooting, controlling how it’s perceived and discussed, shaping the campaign’s direction.

Definitely possible this was staged. Historically, leaders like Hitler, Stalin, and Gaddafi have used staged or exaggerated threats to gain sympathy and consolidate power. Trump has many similar tactics as them. Examples of Trump’s Tactics…. Media Manipulation; Frequently calls media "fake news" to discredit negative coverage and rally support. Creating Drama; Often exaggerates conflicts to maintain attention. Playing the Victim; Portrays himself as a target of unfair attacks to gain sympathy. Flood the Zone with Shit; Overwhelms the public with misinformation, creating confusion…..Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist, has openly discussed this strategy as a way to dominate the narrative and keep opponents off balance. Trump is not “only” a grandiose narcissist, he also has many psychopathic traits. Anyone that cannot see that Trump has no integrity and would do almost anything to get his way is not paying attention.

You’re either locked into a false sense of reality (limiting beliefs) or you dont want to get out of the situation. I have been there, you need to face truth. You can send me your whatsapp and I’ll help you out, and no I wont scam you or trick you into any business or “opportunities”, I already got my money, the only thing I will do is help you knock you out of your fantasy. Lets see if you’re willing to face reality;)

Hi all, Over the past 18 months, I've had a series of awakenings and now struggle to remember how I experienced life and reality before. Sometimes, I can't imagine how people experience reality, how they are not construct-aware, and how they don't get any of this, especially those studying Leo's teachings or similar. Even Curt Jaimungal doesn’t get it. The problem is that I have a hard time relating to others or understanding how they think. Is this common? Any tips on how to bridge this gap? I understand Ralston has a similar problem. Love you all. Thanks!

@Leo Gura, reading it now. @Buck Edwards, feel free to check out his YouTube channel; https://youtube.com/@chrism0kundalini?si=rTfZ-3ptWhcaAB7z and the Facebook group; https://www.facebook.com/share/XF11HsrkQdrE3tkD/?mibextid=K35XfP A lot of wisdom if you know how to navigate, dangerous for newcomers.

Hey everyone, I've been in Chris Mitchell's “Kundalini Awakening” Facebook group for the past 4-5 years, and while alot of what he teaches is great, I've seen some serious issues. The biggest problem is that people in the group often give away all their authority and critical thinking to him, treating him as some ultimate master. This blind following is concerning. Chris controls people "in the name of Kundalini" and demonizes anyone who challenges him. I've seen him ban members who try to teach or post about other teachings, labeling these actions as coming from the ego rather than Kundalini. This kind of behavior stifles open discussion and personal growth, turning the group into an echo chamber. I got into spirituality because my best friend had a Kundalini activation in 2019, which led us to find Chris's group. Initially, it was helpful. However, my friend has since become lost in this fantasy world, labeling anything not aligned with Chris's teachings as "entities" or demonic spirits. It's frustrating because Chris himself doesn't seem truly awake, and most of his followers will never awaken. Does anyone here have experience of Chris Mitchell and his teachings? Would love to hear from you. Thanks

My bad.

I’m glad to hear from you, Leo. I get why you would think that. Frankly, you don't have any knowledge of the variety of teachings I do or don't practice. I'm not here to qualify myself to you, but for perspective, I practice multiple different teachings, including Chrism's teachings, and will continue to do so. I understand some of his magic and will continue to learn more, but I'm aware of his serious limitations. By this post, I was attempting to raise awareness about these issues because many people might be experiencing the same thing, feeling shame, losing their sense of self, and constantly searching for something they will not find. Many people come into this community during a spiritual emergency or psychosis, where nobody understands them, so to them, the community is everything. Breaking free can be extremely hard, especially when you're confronting that reality has no ground. Those people don't need to hear "Too insulated. Seek out diverse perspectives on spirituality." It's like telling a girl in an abusive relationship to understand the past traumas of her narcissistic boyfriend, the last thing people need to hear at this point. I understand that Kundalini is the expression of truth, but Chrism's teachings don't hold it all. That's where most people go wrong. It's important to discuss these concerns openly and with compassion for those who are struggling. Love you.

Here is a great example of how the “achiever” tries to project and push his worldview onto others; https://youtu.be/n4PBnBL9ips?si=GmHFuwwoTyam_I8b Its too easy to be fooled and conform to this kind of nonsense in todays culture, stay mindful:) Feel free to share other examples.