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Have seen both part of interview with Curt . Why you are so aggressive in your response. You made me go aggressive on replies too. You dont know sh** about state of consciousness & what it reveals . You will go in shivering for hours knowing that state of consciousness even exist. Its so beautiful & infinite. What intellectual honesty . This is direct experiences which i have insights in to . What honesty you want. Trying to build a sandcastle around thought is infinitude. I am not trying to sell or convince anything . Just putting my points , insights , Comprehension, the trap we fall in to while on this path out of Love & compassion. Have asked Leo for his insights . If he says thought is infinitude. I promise you. I will leave this forum.

@Leo GuraHelp me out here. The above mentioned some points are valid (relative) but at some point you have to see that thought is also construct , Imagination within the self luminous Truth/God/ Consciousness. This is experiential understanding / conviction I have with different state of consciousness insights. Have seen Neo-Advaita & Non-dual seeker stuck here & suffering. Definition of Thought : An idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occurring suddenly in the mind. Saying thought there all is & it is infinitude. Instead seeing / Integrating the understanding directly that "You are it" ; "You are God", "Observer is the observed". May be the way i am putting this in to words is not correct. Whats your insights in to this ?

On one point you are projecting "Thought" is infinitude . In another sentence you say "Human imagination is just a less intense version of God imagination". Instead of using intense version say it something else for example state of consciousness (just words). That's what i am telling you all along. This is cunning counter argument for escape. Taking something out of profile name. In my previous post i did mentioned about going alone on this path. Trying to twist & turn words will not work for me. There are no others , Mental images , Space , Time etc . Its one truth/consciousness/God all along. When you make your own definition of "Thought" and equate it to infinity . Thats where problem arise. You are not getting the point & playing with words. Let me share a state of consciousness where experiential insights reveal imagination doesn't require thoughts . By thought i mean "A cat" , "A ball". Yes reality is dream like. Finally i have to mentioned that you are all over the place . Once you equate thought with infinity which i didnt agree. At one point you mentioned "Reality is a hallucination" which i agree. Spirituality is not about parroting , It is all about experiencing , going in depth with Love and seeing in Awe how beautiful it is. The depth never ends. Trying to capture it with "thought" is a total dis-service . I have already mentioned thought is wonderful tool but specific to spirituality you have to see its limit. Youtube is full of Non-dual , Neo - Advaita teaching. Where construct is made based on thoughts and what happen finally for this people . Suffering come back again. If you haven't experience how thought can create illusion for you on this spiritual path . You haven't started the journey.

Your definition of "thought" is equating it with infinitude. Have already shared above in couple of post why my view, direct experience & perception doesn't validate it . Will not reiterate it again. Another good quote from Leo & one from other on this path.

Ok No pampering for you. It will be cut to the point & Raw

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Waiting for @Razard86 on my question what his definition of thought is ? Regarding your above point experience is directly available . No thoughts has to come in between. This is classical Neo-Advaita trap (give it any name) where pointer are believed to be it. Have seen people getting trapped here. My apologies if the words are too harsh. But this is power of illusion & its beautiful. Getting a sense & meaning of why Leo always mentioned "Only Leo is awake". Here is the Leo quote which i am trying to convey because this is what i experience. No pointer , No ground , No this & that. Anything further i say will be useless.

Certain state-of-consciousness experiences show the limitations of the human body. The only information you receive is some residual in memory. This is by design how infinite / love has designed humans. And would be the same for Alien Consciousness. If you haven't experienced it. It's hard to put in words because for someone who has not experienced it will be pure speculation. No thought can be a good pointer but not It. Infinitude has so much depth to it. Why restrict it to a thought? & by thought I mean. From the dictionary: an "idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occurring suddenly in the mind". of course, there is no denying it is a wonderful tool for our survival & in spirituality for pointers. That is why "Silence" is said to be the best medicine. You enjoy the ride and the new insights keep coming because it is infinite. "Oneness" is a word & when you experience it you discover there is no other. But restricting the infinite to the word "oneness" is itself playing a Neo-Advaita game. Don't know if I can describe this with words or not. Trying to capture infinity via thoughts is very restrictive & until you have glimpses into it. No explanation will be satisfactory. If you have some specific grandiose elaboration for the word "Thought". Explain it here. Direct to the point. What's your definition of thought?

That's not what my experience says. Certain insights are hard to capture or construct via thoughts. Either this vessel of the human mind doesn't have that capability or it has certain limitations. That's where you got introduced to what lies beyond human perceptional limit. It's hard to put this into words because it is so overwhelming and powerful (at the moment this is the only word I can put it). Experiencing Oneness is just one aspect of it. The infinity has infinite depth to it. Thoughts certainly crashed here for me (don't take it literally). If you have a belief that there is no limit to thought. Yes, I respect that but that is not in my experience. From my perspective, you put things in a certain framework. If it doesn't match it. The denial is triggered. No assumptions here. On this path, open-mindedness has to be there. That's why each forum member's post regarding their understanding/insights of spirituality is unique to me. The reason behind it is also the experiences of different aspects of infinite depth. Well from my understanding you put things in a framework and try to protect it at any cost. This is called dogma/conditioning. I got a response to one of my posts from you that's why this conversation is happening & of course, I am loving it. In summary, open-mindedness is required in spirituality to see & break out of our precious framework. When I say open-mindedness; it is specific to spirituality. In another aspect of human life survival instincts are necessary to carry on as a human (as a body). Again asking here which is mentioned in the last post as well why you are assuming my insights are from "trips". While on this path any insights give you a glimpse, understanding & then integration of this understanding happens in "Silence". Yes, limiting perception/understanding is the root cause of conditioning & dogmatic belief. That is why I have mentioned in my previous post: At a certain point you have to go alone. No guru is required. In a poetical sense, "This is your journey from alone to aloneness". How Love unfolds itself is different for each & every one. For someone it will start seeing a flower, Some words from a Guru, solving a mathematical equation, Falling in love, etc. The list goes on. My POV / Understanding: Once you start seeing it don't limit it there and see the infinite depth of how it unfolds in every aspect of human life & beyond. The other side of the same coin is if someone doesn't want to explore it. I respect it. That's why I mentioned "my POV". This conservation is taking me to converse on different aspects of infinitude out of which I had certain glimpses. That's why I am writing it here. Conversation and listening are necessary as a human if they take us to some understanding otherwise it becomes some blabbering or a bunch of thoughts put together to make a sentence (Specifically regarding Spirituality). That's why most of my responses on this forum come with a disclaimer: "This is my POV through the experiences I have - Take it or leave it". & of course because only "Leo is Awake" If you still believe that the above insights/understanding is a dogmatic assumption as per your framework then "Good luck" or "Take it or leave it".

@Emerald You've articulated it beautifully . Most of the low tier job. Lets take an example of analyst from fresher to mid level in Finance sector . Generative AI / LLM module specifically designed for this sector will reduce the number of analyst required in future. Let say instead of 100 only 10 people will be required to do the same job . That's where it seems to be heading . AI intelligence depend on quality of Training Data . For LLM (Large language module) in my view it has crossed 1st generation (this is just the way i put it) for text to text response. For other area Text to video or audio , specific areas such as finance , healthcare etc. It is picking up the pace. Shift is happening right now as most of the company are starting to re-structure or directing attention towards it. How it will unfold nobody had a clear picture. Here is an insightful discussion on AI and Quantum Computing.

@YimpaWhat twitter handle or sites you follow for getting AI news / latest happening. It seems to be scatter all over the place with new startup coming in almost every week. Below are some handle which i follow. https://twitter.com/nickfloats https://twitter.com/dr_cintas https://twitter.com/iamneubert

Have replied this before but it seems you have edited it. How do you know my insights is from "Trips". What you are doing is trying to play a game where you deconstruct a comment and try to convince that what input you are giving is correct . Have been in this intellectual BS long ago but not right now. There are many areas of intellectual discussion in human life but for spirituality direct experience what bring change. Spirituality is totally be in action. I didnt get again what you have written here "It will collapse into more static empires" . If you are trying to say at some point even "Non duality" concept also collapse. Yes than agree with you. Again you are using some Non dual mumjo jumbo . Language exist because it is existence . Lets take an example : My hand exist because it is existence. What your hand is made of "Atoms" .what Atom consist ; apart from particle its 99.99% space. Existence and non existence playing hide & seek . its divinity in play. No haven't demonize language . Its our survival tool but when you are going all in spirituality. You see the limitation of thought. This my understanding of spirituality and why i like Leo approach because it resonate what i have experienced (that's why present in this forum) : Beyond Non duality ; Emptiness , all religious concept human have made is infinity . The only glimpse here is via insight . Those are experiences beyond human comprehension which brain / mind cannot fathom. It sends shiver through your spine. It mostly fall in to alien or from different dimension. Your Brain / Mind has to be in optimal health to reach here. So why to demonize it . Why so judgemental here. My answer on this forum is according to the post . If I started talking only about my experiences. Is it going to help the person who have asked a specific question . The best way is out of love & compassion; i have to understand the query and answered it. You have mentioned about frame of reference. At some point this also collapse . Because infinity , Divinity , God (give it any name) doesn't have any reference point but yes in our day today life as a human we have to keep a reference point to live , survive , interact etc. Yes that why school exist . Education is very important . Instead of Maps i will say "Insights". But In spirituality once you decided to go on this path . At certain point you have to go alone . No guru is required. In poetical sense "This is your individual journey from alone to aloneness". Lets have some more poetic sense "before insight you were chopping wood and after insights you have to chop woods". Even "Non duality" is a concept. That force called it by any name "Oneness" , "divine" , "God" , "Allah" "Love" etc. cannot be captured or define by thoughts. When you try to define it you are trying to restrict it within a framework. Surrender to it and enjoy the ride.

This person write what comes in the moment . Keep it or leave it . When compute start computing lets have conversation than . At the moment anything this person says would have counter argument.

Let me elaborate what i mean "Not creating any belief around is the way to go" . I don't understand what you mean by above sentence . For me this is just playing with words and bunch of word create a sentence. The entire system is based on thought . There is no denial that to play in this human world thought is important. But to reach "LOVE" ; "Truth" etc (use whatever word around it) surrender which play a major role. Looping & playing with thoughts are helpful to create stories. Keep it simple let it flow in its own unique way. What @Princess Arabia experienced is one of unique way . Same like most of the other forum member who had glimpse of it . Isn't it magical how infinity , LOVE produce it.

@Princess Arabia Glimpse in infinity comes through insight. For everyone it is unique . Let it flow. Fluidity what its feel like. Any static empire created via intellectual pursuit around it will collapse.

Yup agree. Was little soft on my previous post because doesn't wanted to overwhelm you. The way it has progress in last 2-3 years which everyone in industry has underestimated. We need to go out of box and see where we can pitch in here . Find it in gaming industry ; if it seems there no way or that creative spark is not coming ; Find some other stream where you can show your talent with AI. Reverse the thought process . AI is in its 1st generation . Where i can pitch in and make a impact instead of waiting . A good research topic here : how "internet" denier & people who had accepted it knowing that it got the power that will impact life in 1990's.

@Karmadhi Money & Power . The way they are carrying out genocide in Palestine without any resistance . Western media has oppose it initially but they have to show & accept that yes there is genocide happening in Palestine due to tiny bit of independent journalist sneaking in & showing the world the actual reality on the ground . Off topic : These independent journalist & Aid workers are real heroes of our generations. It is one highest form of spirituality in action where you get out of your survival instinct and put your life on the line .Spirituality in action what matters in the end. Love & compassion with its different stream (Infinite) is one of the hardest to concur on this path. Without a solid backup / presence among politician / lobby of Western countries it is not possible. Are they going to stop until the there goal is achieved ; No . Not all Jewish people are Zionist . Most of them are opposing it but money and power has its impact . As with Islam ; Radicalized are very tiny proportion which represent it but see the impact on common people. Most of them hate people of this faith. Right now hate against Jew is on rise as well. The reason is same. As you mentioned that foreign aid worker are being killed . Western politician arena condemning it but underneath they are saying "OK we will make some drama / twist / turn it around, but you go on". They know how to manipulate masses but it is becoming sophisticated where you deny & condemn something on front but underneath continue with the agenda you have. Without Money ; Power ; Financial interest. This is impossible.

@TheSelf It wouldn't be right for me to paint a picture of rainbows and sunshine. AI has already made its mark in music and various art forms. The caliber of its output is causing ripples among those in the industry. Rather than dwelling on tasks easily handled by AI, it's time to explore what you can do which AI is not able to accomplish at the moment. Look beyond the mundane and discover where you can inject creativity. When it comes to your professional resume, focus less on what AI can accomplish effortlessly and more on the innovative creativity with its assistance / apart from it. That's the key to staying ahead in sectors like gaming / other industry, where AI has infiltrated.

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