Francis777

there is no appearance in a non dual state, you will not understand me till you experience it for yourself, this is free for anyone to experience do not take my word for it. An awakened view of the boundaries in consciousness being illusory is not the same as experiencing a full non dual state.

You have never had a non-dual experience, you do not realise the LITERALNESS of a non dual state, your completely wrapped up in the concept of it. THERE IS NO DISTINCT REALITY IN A NON DUAL STATE. There is nothing to observe! Nothing to admire! My friend a word of advice if I may, you are so far deluded and misguided in your own concepts that its hard to even make sense of the messages that you post on here. It is very clear that you have no little to no comprehension of what direct consciousness is. My suggestion is that you take some psychedelics, solely with the direct intention to experience one of these states, COMPLETELY FREE of any ASSUMPTION that you have of it, what you think it is, what is might be and so on. Not even to have the complete breakthrough state, just even to have a little taste of TRUE direct consciousness would be enough for you to start questioning the structure of this conceptual mountain of bullshit your currently working off of, it would save you a tonne of time and hopefully stop you wrapping yourself up even further in the giant conceptual web that your currently in. Provided that you have a genuine desire to become more consciousness. I'll just say it again mate, I didn't write this with any intention to condescend or demean, or to make you feel bad about yourself. I can just see that getting massively stuck up on this, solely because I don't believe you've had a genuine realisation into the nature of direct consciousness, and your not going progress any further down this path without it. of course your free to do what you like, but I really think this is what you need to be focusing on. Hope you receive this in the positive light I sent it in.

I think the point should be made that what many consider to be a complete breakthrough "enlightenment experience" which is a NON DUAL experience. (refrain from thinking about god for a minute I'm not talking about a breakthrough to becoming THE SELF as infinity, but NO self, the traditional Buddhist samadhi state) IS achievable and a definitive experience you can have, HOWEVER once you come down out of the non dual state and the ego start to mould back into place, the idea that you are now "enlightened" and "living an enlightened life" is utter horseshit. Its no different from identifying with a culture, or identifying as a Nazi, a scientist, or a hippie. Its all bullshit that your self concocting and projecting, its not grounded in anything and saying that you are now "enlightened" and live an enlightened life is no difference from saying that you live the life of a poor beggar, or a school kid or a gangster. THE ONLY ENLIGHTENED LIFE THERE IS, IS THE ONE YOUR DREAMING UP. You haven't broken out of the the illusion of "normal life" or regular day to day living and am now liberated, YOU'VE JUST CHANGED THE CONTENTS OF THE ILLUSION.

can you quote me that, must've missed it

back to the drawing board I think buddy

@Leo Gura i know, i was chiming in on your conversation with scholar, with your comment about god not caring if you rise to its level of consciousness

@Leo Gura is this not what I just said? in that love doesn't care if you awaken or not?

and what if it see's itself murdering and raping a child? Love does not care whether you do or don't see yourself as a miracle or whether you do or don't see beauty and am in awe at yourself. I think your still falling into bias, love is so much more radical any human notion of beauty you have. Love doesn't involve itself with any duality, whether you do or don't admire yourself or awaken to your own beauty does not matter to love.

that's the point! of course its nothing, consciousness is nothing! that's the only way it can be infinite. its a facet of consciousness in that it doesn't reject whatever it dreams up. Love is metaphysical because consciousness is metaphysical, it just dreams up the illusions that its not so it wake up to itself all over again.

Love is the acceptance and embrace of EXACTLY how reality is. It is having ZERO desire to change whatever God dreams due to bias. Awakening to Love is realising that there is ZERO difference between a super model and dog shit and as such surrendering all preference between the two, because they are identical. A key point here that I think a lot of people keep skipping over is that love is not grounded in anything, you cant "find" love, you cant "have" love. You can only BE love because love is a facet of consciousness/god in which God rejects ZERO "parts" of itself, even so realizing that it's self doesn't have parts. edit: truth goes hand in hand with love, to deny truth is to not love is this along the right tracks Leo?

Terence McKenna was completely delusional, he didn't understand truth or consciousness. This is coming from from someone who has listened to 250 plus hours of his talks and was completely engrossed and almost addicted to them. This doesn't negate all of the work that he did, he done some amazing first hand research and studies into psychedelics and offered tonnes of insights and value. His biggest hiccup was the unbelievable amount of fantasy he projected onto his experiences, you can notice this in the fact that nearly every single talk he had sounded like poetry straight out of a novel. This is why so people love and defend him, he was unbelievably captivating. To the point where the effect that it had on certain people almost veers into cultism, a lot of people viewed him as their saviour. That being said I still l loved his talks and when he wasn't projecting he did offer quite a lot of useful info about psyches.

cool man. high five

Do you ever wish you'd never awakened so deeply due to the struggle it causes. is there a there a true reason to pursue it versus not and just living you life less consciously till you die? (FYI please don't reply with word games because of language limitation about death and you never being alive in the first place, you know what i mean and am looking for genuine answers with that in mind) thanks Edit: the "FYI" wasn't assumed at Leo, but for anyone intending on offering their thoughts, appreciate all replies, looking for genuine perspectives as I feel I've gone too deep to young and am at a cross roads between satiating my lower desires, and realising how difficult it is to do so selflessly. But that is my more shallow problems, the more total encompassing question is as above^

yes very true, I've been over this with myself and don't hold much guilt over myself as I never take it to that extreme. I understand that selfishness when finite is inevitable, I've never had the intention to surrender all selfishness its a silly notion. It's more so that I'm refining my actions so that I can go about getting my needs met with less/unnecessary collateral damage to the people around me. And in my case with the kundalini energy clashing inside my body, there's a very specific thing that I'm doing while trying to attract people that needs to stop.

@MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI Just turned 23 last week, the symptoms started after I turned 20, this is one of the biggest factors as to why its been so hard and taken me so long to let go of some of my selfish behaviour, because I've not even had a chance to satiate the tiniest fraction of my lower desires, like for fame and such.

thanks, yeah I'm going to go through everything, probably going to take me about a month or two to structure and write it all out properly to hit every point I want to.

yes, that was more speaking towards my struggles with my kundalini symptoms and how my last 3 years of life wouldn't have been complete hell if I was just less aware of myself and all my selfish behaviour which caused them, it never felt like a curse before them. It's made me bitter, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, I know exactly what the conflict is now, so I can go about resolving it. I'm going to make a colossal post sharing all the lessons I've learned during this time, I have a goldmine of insights and mental tenacity built up that I genuinely feel have set me up for the rest of my life. I can't imagine anything that could ever beat me down like this again.

yeah i guess, my deepest satisfaction comes from understanding and its been more of a curse than a gift so far, does it always go away with proper integration in your experience?

yes but you still have still exist as a finite consciousness after, my point was asking if it is worth the costs that come with knowing yourself?

@How to be wise yeah thanks, the swearing was rash which I apologised for anyway but not the point and not out of context as the comments contained value for which I was trying to relay a point.

also speaking to you again Leo, I've just been given a warning by "carl-richard" for profanity, I'm not looking for redemption in the fact that I apologised. This warning is ridiculous, the amount of times I've seen you call people "fucking idiots" on this forum yet I say it once and get a warning, not as blind hate but with context. The moderator shouldn't have issued it in my opinion. Oh great, just scrolled up to check myself before posting and realised that my post has been deleted so none of this makes sense, revoke your moderator he's taking too much upon himself, has no right to censor my posts. @Carl-Richard

@Yimpa sorry yimpa, meant what I said in context but don't mean to be a dick.

A women called Tara Springett also is a "kundalini practitioner", check out her website you will find her on google, she claims to be a Buddhist but don't be swayed by that, she has excellent understanding of the kundalini process. she has free books, group sessions and 1 to 1s. she was one of the only ones on my kundalini journey that made sense to me. she also says to be careful reading random crap on the internet as it is 99% inaccurate and can worsen symptoms with false information. Which going through and realising my own symptoms have come to realise is true. Hope this helps, just another source to consider.

I don't a have little note book of certified studies, just every time I've done mdma I've always ended up reading about recovery and constantly came across sources which say 3 months. Could be more could be less, neither of us can deny though, it must use up a fair amount as it feels fucking amazing. Also read somewhere that all neurotransmitters are recycled anyway so not sure mate, I'm not a pharmacologist don't take my word on it

this biggest thing to prevent mdma comedown is hydration, the hangover from mdma is oxidation of your receptors, denaturing because they are dehydrated. similar to alcohol. of course moderate dose is implied with this and frequency of use. I've also read that it takes 3 months minimum to be on the safe side where your serotonin levels should be back to baseline