Francis777

@Jehovah increases you really shouldn't be fascinated by this guy, he's just mastered the art of poeticising deception.

if you think Terence McKenna knew truth your doomed

realise that your goals are never going to become true until you embody the person that is capable of achieving them

my point wasn't that you cant deceive yourself, it was that it is possible to reach levels of consciousness where you know for sure that you haven't. Of course that level increases each time you awaken deeper

that's why if you think any teacher is being unnecessarily modest, you should be suspicious. No one that's had a true awakening will doubt themselves, in the face of everything. That's what it means to awaken. there would be no point in awakening if it didn't guarantee truth.

*does not mean that you are no longer still dreaming everything up

that's what I'm saying, that just because your no longer illused does not mean that everything is not still a dream

yeah so the structure is absolute truth, mistaking content for structure is falling for the illusion But just because you no longer fall for the illusion, does not mean that your no longer dreaming everything up.

I don't think people realise that awakening is not provable outside of itself, but that once you have an awakening it is completely self proving and undeniable. The best way for you to understand this is simply to have as many awakenings as you can, it is a point that can not easily be conveyed, you need to have multiple awakenings to get this insight and go past this notion of something not being true simply because it is not provable. The key is developing the your consciousness enough to the point where you can distinguish between and real awakening and deception. Or more so just having enough to where you cant deceive yourself anymore between the two

is that because the second you become directly conscious of an illusion, it is no longer illusory, but the structure still remains

lol exactly

Goods times

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I think that’s what I’ll do, I’m so young anyway it’s not like I haven’t got time. I’m way to invested in consensus reality to be having realisations that might make me disinterested in it. Having not really burned through much of my desires within the illusion, or rather for the illusion. plus I’ve already dipped my toe in a good bit anyway with my no self breakthroughs on acid. Even that made me disinterested for a long time. Pace yourself guys!

Yeah each to their own I guess, I’m going to keep it open to possibility, no reason not to.

yeah, I’m just trying to shine some light on any holes you might have in your perspective through the things that we do actually agree on.

Don’t be confused by my language, I’m not speaking in metrics.

Consider the alternative then, you’ve said it yourself, it doesn’t add up.

You make a fair point, but I just don’t see it. It’s like Einstein getting everything else right on his theory but fucking up on calculus.

@Inliytened1 I find it absolutely bonkers that you can consider someone so intelligent and yet so unbelievably foolish at the same time, all of his videos on youtube is what drove him to you for his amazing insights and perspective. But somehow you believe that this same person could make such a futile error of overlooking this one thing. The amount of previous insights that you agree on him with, and know for a fact that he understands them as deeply as you, you cannot deny his capacity for this work. But somehow believe this one aspect has been so monumentally overlooked by him, but not you. I’m not even arguing with you at this point, I just can’t fathom how you can think, given what you know about this person, can fuck up this badly. From what your saying, Leo has made the fuck up of the century.

@Leo Gura is there any point to achieving these states of consciousness? Because from what you describe there’s a lot on the line. do you recommend only pursuing it when you’ve exhausted 99% of your interest in consensus reality? and is that what you did, or did it just happen “accidentally” as a result of your curiosity and “forced” you to lose interest because you seen everything else to be pointless?

This. good analogy. Silly to assume there isn’t more to understand about awakening solely because whatever you do know about it you know to be true.

I’ve never insinuated in any posts that this is my perspective, I’ll just keep it open for now, doesn’t hurt to right?

Suit yourself

Agreed, why don’t we all start by questioning our assumptions? Wait my bad, there’s no more work left for you to do, pointless exercise carry on.