Francis777

Yeah, you can’t intrude unless they ask you, after all it’s their journey not yours.

Right but what I meant is that despite seemingly having everything that he wants, he might be secretly/unconsciously unhappy because those things are not able to deeply fulfil him, (not all of it) but some of it was quite shallow things that he listed. And you don’t necessarily need them in order to feel fulfilled, but he may be expecting that from them so is confused as to why they are not. Therefore this is why he might be considering pain as an alternative. To be able to feel something extremely deeply, something that’s he’s missing in the “fun” “successful” side of his life. That’s why I mentioned him possibly lacking purpose. FYI: I’m not saying that you need pain to feel deeply, it’s just something that all of us tend to do.

1 is not the opposite of 2. The opposite of nothingness is not everything, nothingness IS everything. This is a flawed understanding, non dual experiences do not have opposites, that’s exactly what non dual means, everything is one.

@An young being you’ve just assumed that I was trying to hurt your ego because that’s what you believe is the right way of going about this.

Your misinterpreting, you don’t need to intentionally hurt people to help them grow! im telling you that this is a shallow way to go about helping people, it’s unnecessary! my goal wasn’t to strengthen my own ego it was to make you aware that your way of helping people is silly and unproductive. And I wasn’t intentionally trying to hurt you to force you to realise that in the process.

So then what’s a non dual experience?

Sounds like your in denial about having an ego backlash, lacking purpose, you’ve got everything you want but it doesn’t mean anything to you. Maybe your craving pain just so you can add meaning to your life.

If you are not aware of that, your own ego is in need of a similar hammering See this is just immature and stupid in itself, not everyone is born with good social interpretation. Why would you hammer someone for that. Grow up. People lacking in this has nothing to do with spiritual ego as well so your contradicting yourself.

☺️ As long as your hearts in the right place. The rest can be fine tuned over time. No need to stress.

Yes, I’ll reform my answer. It isn’t inherently bad, you just need to go about it in loving way, sometimes that means not doing it at all.

@Yimpa agreed. Although I think this is more of a social skill that you develop, as opposed to just making sure you have good intentions. your not necessarily immature just because you can’t read between the lines.

@An young being If every single person on this forum tried to hurt your ego as much a possible just so you could progress faster it would likely do more damage than good.

This is toxic, let people progress at their own pace. People suffer enough from their own ego, they don't need you hammering down on them. You can help people work through their ego without deliberately trying to hurt them.

Ah! ill check it out, still new to the forum so haven't surfed through the archives yet.

ha yeah watch out for that man. I've taken more different drugs than I can count, just not 5meo. done regular DMT but that was some time ago n it scared the shit out of me A psychedelic that I do want to talk about that I've done is "ibogaine". Haven't seen it mentioned on here before, ill save it for a separate post though.

yeah no I agree with you on that, agreeing with Leo on everything is a bad sign, it usually means your not thinking for yourself. But yeah you get my point, was just trying to say if you have a strong intuition that someone is genuinely more conscious than you, you shouldn't just completely disregard it due to lack of direct experience, this in itself could be a trap because your refusing to listen to the only non biased compass you've got (besides experience of course). Intuition is not of the logical mind so if you've got a gut feeling, I usually say go with it! And yes I've never done 5-MEO before either, so I'm not definitively agreeing with Leo that something like infinity is true until I do or don't experience it. Despite every single one of my conceptual understandings and own workings out till now point exactly to it without fail, that's why I'm not going to simply disregard it completely until I know for sure. I'm actually grateful for this in some ways, it provides a nice cushion to sit on where I can decide to not stress the implications because I don't yet know if its true.

Just because you haven't had the experience does not mean you cant make sensible presumptions based off of countless reports of other people that claimed to have actually had the experience. Just don't take those presumptions as truth, you can still use them as guidelines till you know for sure yourself. That does not mean your automatically in fantastical cookoo land if you do.

yeah but you were being extremely nit picky for no apparent reason, you clearly knew what he meant and then just proceeded to state the obvious, obviously he's not going to know about an experience he hasn't had?

I think he means that based on what he already does know and understand, he can see that Leo understands it to a deeper degree through how he explains that same knowledge that @Loveeee knows to be fundamentally true based on his own experience. And that Leo doesn't contradict that with his deeper explanations, he just makes it more cohesive. Such as highlighting the congruency of the inner workings better or expanding on the implications of such thing.

How’s it gonna change the world

is that because your having a hard time pinning down exactly what randomness is? at the direct level like you said.

do you plan on figuring it out? or not bothered?

what's led you to doubt yourself on this?

Your mind is dreaming up the distinction between less real and more real. Your dreaming up the distinction between mind and body. Your mind is dreaming up the illusion of anything being physical.

that doesn't mean your not currently in an experience, it just means that your are the experience, experiencing itself.