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I was reflecting recently on the impact of significant wealth that people either inherit or earn at a very young age and how it can keep you stuck in child dynamic for longer - maybe a lifetime If you’re young and you inherit vast amounts from mummy and daddy that money is in effect and extended parent. It takes away responsibility. You can effectively outsource any task, challenge, responsibility (however you want to put it) to someone else. You can hire a nanny, you can pay for a gardener, you can hire people to clean and tidy up after you There might be some rich people that would say that they still go out and work and take on responsibility but where are the stakes? Where’s the jeopardy? If you lose your job it’s no big deal. There’s no real stakes Taking responsibility and having stakes in life is how you’re forged into being an adult. Upping the stakes means more suffering but that grows you, makes you more compassionate as a human being and makes you more resilient in life. It humbles you and builds integrity. A lot of these tech billionaires are big kids. Like Trump. They haven’t had to face high stakes in life and have been neutered by their wealth Even if you were not born into a wealthy background and hadn’t inherited wealth, if you do happen to make multi millions in your early 20s it can still hinder your chance to mature and grow as an adult. Youngsters in their 20s are not adults. They’re still boys and girls for the most part

For sure not having money can be a major hurdle to development but there’s something obvious in that. It’s not always the case though The general consensus is that having loads of money in life is always a net positive. There’s no downsides. Well there is because money corrupts and stagnates your consciousness if received at an early age. It makes you lazy and gives you a sense of superiority over others. You lose the connection to everyday men and women. You don’t experience the real struggles of affording to pay rent or thinking shit I need to get a job How do you ever forge yourself into becoming a man or a woman

@Pedro M I’ve hustled and I’m fed up with it now. I don’t see work in terms of a hustle rather I consider whether it is something I want to do and if it will contribute to my personal development. Hustling to me sounds like chasing the dollar Burn through it and see where you land. I can tell you the best things in life are free. I love cycling and swimming in the lake. I enjoy hanging out with friends. It doesn’t cost anything. The only financially sensible thing that you may need to hustle for is getting on the property ladder

I’ve been doing psychedelics for a few years now and I believe I’ve grown tremendously through them. My personality has radically changed and my world has got so much bigger The last trip I had I was on mushrooms. As with all my trips I never do them for recreation so usually they’re pretty intense. This last trip I had what felt like a warriors initiation. After the trip I just felt like Jesus I just want to settle now. I don’t want to have to keep pushing myself to take the hard road because it was an intense experience So I’ve decided that I am ready to settle now into where I am right now. To be rather than to become. Might return to them later in life - 10-20 years down the line maybe Anyone else had a similar feeling around this?

@SwiftQuill Sounds like you’ve had a lot of stuff to get off your chest. Breath brother I do not like political labels but I would say I’m on the left. I also don’t like to indulge in identity politics though of course I respect how people want to identify. I am aware of the debates and issues there and have views but they just don’t interest me like economics do. Excessive materialistic capitalism is perpetuating greed and dysfunction in the world - this is what I care about changing At a meta level politics is fundamentally missing the spiritual dimension. To be honest I’m starting to grow weary of democracy. I don’t believe society to be mature enough for it to work effectively. I discovered noocracy recently this is what we need

I believe that many of us wonder what is the intrinsic value of this forum for spiritual growth and personal development. Sometimes discussions on here feel more indulgent than enlightening. Saying this, debating for the sake of it can be fun and intellectually stimulating so nothing wrong with that as long as it's not overdone at the expense of time that could be better served elsewhere However I have found this forum to be highly rewarding to me in one key way - hearing about concepts and wisdom teachers that have opened the door to new perspectives and growth. This has happened a few times, but the most life changing for me was hearing about David Deida. This was the first place I'd heard of his name and work and it's led me down and interesting path of growth and spiritual orientation. I am very grateful for this forum and community in this regard

Is there any point to awakening in this life when truth and reality will be revealed to you at death anyway? Isn’t life for living not for awakening? Or at least is awakening only for the purposes of serving you better in this life? I’ve primarily pursued spiritual growth for that reason Disclaimer: I’m intuiting death will reveal all (death = awakening) but I do not know that for sure. The death of the ego and dissolution of self brings us to the divine Edit: to expand, many of us intuit that life only has meaning if we give it meaning. For me awakening only has meaning in that it serves us better in this world. To be more ‘actualised’ in the world of form. There’s no meaning in awakening for the sake of awakening. Why do it?

@LightLover2 OSMIO I have this one - https://www.osmiowater.co.uk/zip-portable-reverse-osmosis-system.html

@Leo Gura I want to hear Leo’s thoughts on this

Well death would be the end of something within our existing conceptual framework. You would enter something new because rebirth within this life would fall outside of that Our current reality does not hold rebirth as an existing thing that exists

Yes that is very true. Awakening is a continuous thing and I do not believe that we are truly in control of the ship. The universe is directing us. So much is out of our control. This I have been directly conscious of Actually I was wrong to say I intuit it about the death thing. Actually I can only speak from second hand knowing of spiritual wisdom that death is the end of the self and the ego. From that place the barriers between you and the divine collapse

@Someone here But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening

@Carl-Richard for me the jury is still out when it comes to reincarnation. I have no idea. I’ve never had a conscious insight on that so I don’t know If let’s say for instance there is such a thing and the degree of your awakening in this life would determine the fullness of the next that would give awakening a genuine purpose but I am not conscious of reincarnation as an actual thing

@Inliytened1 I can only say that the path to awakening comes with a heavy price. There’s a lot of suffering and sacrifice. It’s not like I haven’t done a lot of spiritual work because I have. I have never done psychedelics for recreation, only for my own personal and spiritual growth. I have gained a lot from it Leo has said before in one of his videos that he sometimes regrets going so deep into it because once you do the game is up. I don’t know how he feels about this now but this chimes with my thinking that we’re in this world to live life even if it is a dream but walk in the world with one foot grounded in consciousness In terms of the matrix it’s all to a degree. I am not so unconscious that I do not have a connection to the divine through presence and the felt experience. I intuit more deeply life situations however I am not awakened to divine truth in each passing moment. I do get lost in the moment as the majority of people do. There are so few human on the planet that are actually awakened like that. Painfully small. Probably no one on this forum. Maybe just a handful on people

@ExploringReality I sense uncertainty in your words. If death is the end of you then we are referring to the ego. Without an ego you are god realised. It is the dissolution of the self that reveals truth

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

it varies but around once or twice a month. I go through phases between LSD and mushrooms I’ve got a lot out of them. Have been challenged and given new perspectives but life itself is offering enough challenge for growth and I’m ready to slow the ship down. Constantly pushing up against reality is the only way you grow but it’s hard work and I just want to breeze through for a few years. Maybe longer. I’ve learnt the lessons and have grown profoundly. I’m more settled now with who and where I am in life This is the thing for me I’ve primarily used psychedelics for personal spiritual growth rather than to understand reality. Understanding reality helps you grow but it’s not the primary reason like it is for Leo. One day it might be when I’m older and life no longer holds the same meaning. Then I might do psychedelics purely to understand the nature of reality Saying this though is there any point to that. Life is for living. Death will reveal reality to you. It’s more preparation for that if anything

In the last couple of years I have experienced massive personal growth. I have gone from someone very content within my own company, working on my business and playing video games to now being a highly extroverted person. I actually did a personality test and I’ve gone from and INFJ to an ENFJ As part of my transition I sold my TV and gaming PC. I socialise so much more than I used to - it’s actually nearly all the time. I’m relentlessly active. I go boxing, swim, cycle regularly and enjoy park runs. I love the outdoors and being active. My diet is second to none. I am so much better with women now and much more confident being able to turn women on and also know what my needs are and what works for me - I’m not here to perform it’s a two way street. I met someone recently and we’re really hitting it off which is nice. But something happened two weeks ago. Going down a hill at speed I hit one of the tram tracks and came flying off my bike. I have a broken leg and wrist. I was taken into hospital and was there nearly two weeks - a week waiting for an operation! Now I’m back home. My Dad is having to look after me because I can’t manage well as I can’t put any pressure on my leg for 6 weeks. This is perhaps the hardest personal challenge I’ve had to deal with and it’s bringing face to face with my old ways because what the fuck else can I do. I wish I had my gaming PC but there’s this guilt around going back to that. I recognise that I have created a shadow out of my old self - the introvert happy playing video games and working. I am no longer that person Not really sure what I’m trying to say here but if anyone has had any similar experience it would be great to hear. Tbh even being on this forum feels like I’m reverting back - I haven’t been active on much at all until recently Additional context I had a very profound psychedelic trip (I credit psychedelics with how I have radically changed) over a month ago. It was like a warriors initiation. Not going into it but after this I just got a sense that I want to settle now. To stop taking the hard road and just be. I have been relentless over the last couple of years really pushing myself. I’m starting to feel like this accident is a way the universe has forced the breaks on me

I’ve had an awakening on relating to the feminine also but with added depth I would say Simply put the feminine in all of us wants to ‘play’. It enjoys the game of life. The masculine in all of us wants ‘truth’ and does not want to play a game. This is where the dance is between the masculine and the feminine. Women want to play a game and you need to be able to groove with that but only to a point - if you keep trying to play her game she’ll get bored and it’ll also deny your truth. This is where as a man within relational leadership, once you feel like you’ve had enough of the game you lead her to go deeper - basically with the game or playfulness there are layers to this and both you and her ultimately want to go deeper so you as the man communicate your truth to her. So you might say this isn’t working for me I want to go deeper with you or this would mean so much to me if we did this - it’s up to her then This is where timing is important. Too soon and she might feel unsafe or that there’s been no playfulness and if it’s too late she’ll get bored - because like with any game you will get bored of it. You will want to ultimately play a higher game by going deeper so you lead her into that This is actually where as a man you have to own your truth and your terms in a relationship. Some women will have games that are too complicated (They might have a lot of childhood trauma for instance). Some women will have games where they’re not transparent with the rules I.e. they are not very emotionally open (potentially there is an entitled expectation here about the man being everything). Whatever the case you as the man decide what you’re willing to play with the feminine. You are divine and you choose. So like with any game, you always have to be willing to walk away if her game does not work for you. This is how as a man you regain balance in a dynamic and make sure that relationally it works for both of you. This is the power of masculine leadership Just to add we all have a masculine and a feminine so even as a man you will enjoy the game but just to a lesser extent. If she’s too easy for you, you might also get bored and for a woman, she also will want truth from you as well. She doesn’t just want to stay at a surface level

@theleelajoker the concepts help me understand reality. I’ve found David Deida’s work very illuminating to me. There’s so much misconception around what it means to be a man and woman

@Judy2 One incredible way to release tension in the body is to go for a wild swim. If you have a local lake nearby and the water is clean take a dip Aside from that specific example, shaking the body to get the tension out. Sitting out in nature mindfully is another

@Hardkill I definitely see the far reaching consequences of the gamified world of app dating As for the inequality between men and women in terms of matches etc, as a man you absolutely have to own your own terms in a relationship and communicate that. You have to be willing to let her go As a man I see this as the only way to redress the balance to ensure dating and relationships work for you both. You’ll find you don’t really need her you just want her and it’s important that you set your terms for a relationship if she wants to be with you. She will respect that

My heart goes out to Palestinians. The suffering is unimaginable This is one of the greatest human rights atrocities of modern times. I can’t stand how my government has done nothing to stand against the genocide going on. They’re pathetic small people

@Hojo Lol I love the overtly sexually way you have described it. Very David Deida Yeh the masculine wants to penetrate the feminine and the feminine wants to receive and open as love. Thereby they merge and you are one with everything The separation between the two is an illusion. You are divinely masculine and feminine

Hits home just how fucked we are as a human species if we don’t change track. The level of global coordination and cooperation required to shift the dial. My god Capitalism is our Achilles heel. Without spiritual growth there is no world for tomorrow that is better than the last