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ill be saving this one for future use, thank you good sir

i first realized this during an acid trip, where i spend literally 12 hours just staring at my hands, baffling at their existence. since then ive always been able to put myself into kind of a mini trip just by looking at my hands. i dont know what its about, but there something magical about hands. ive heard several people on here mention it, including leo in some of his videos, and yesterday my friend had his first mystical experience on lsd, and all he did was stare at his hands the entire trip why are hands magical?

appreciate the posts, beautiful

@Dodo yea i see what u mean, that wasnt at all my experience. i think what made me lucid was that when i looked at my hands, they looked just as real as everyday life, not at all like in a dream. almost more real than real tbh. id rate the experience pretty significant, on par with some of my psychedelic trips

no i became lucid the moment i looked at my hands and they looked completely normal and real. my hands triggered the lucid dreaming basically

@Dodo interesting. however during the only 2 times i experienced lucid dreaming, i "woke up" inside the dream, by looking at my hands, and i remember distinctly i was amazed that my hands looked so fucking real, they werent distorted at all

@Princess Arabia as i just stated, absolutley no phenomena what so ever. i sense your stance will be "well then thats what your conscious of", but if this is the case you've ran into a contradiction

this makes no sense. im simply refuting your first statement; deep sleep proves you dont need time and space and something to be conscious of. because you are in still conscious in deep sleep, in which time and space does not exist, nor does any other phenomena what so ever,, so no consciousness is not a thought

@Princess Arabia i agree there is no thought. however if there were not still consciousness / awareness, how would you ever be aware of the fact that there was a cessation of phenomena / thought during deep sleep? the fact u can contrast waking state to deep sleep proves theres still an experience. and that experience is conscious of absolutley nothing at all, so no, consciousness doesnt require an object to be conscious of

what are you conscious of in deep sleep?

An experience of being an infinitely intelligent creator EXISTS. An infinite intelligently designed creation EXISTS and thats all the proof you'll ever need

@Princess Arabia im not gonna lie i literally understood 0 of your paragraphs and how they relate to my argument, except for the fact that u disagree with me. im open for a discussion, but would u care to elaborate? No proof of any creation? what does the fact that nothing that appears is permanent proof? what intelligence is obvious? okay i see what u mean by the last paragraph lol, we can use any word we want, but lets not confuse ourselves more than necessary

@BipolarGrowth ill be taking a closer look at the article. however im still curious as to how you would ever verify the "existence" of something non-experiential? Even in deep sleep, there is the experience of total nothingness or a complete void, some would perhaps label this as non-experience or unconsciousness. However something is still aware of experiencing the non experience, otherwise deep sleep would just be a literal time skip until you woke up again, and you would never had known there was a cessation of phenomena, in which case the non experiential would not exist neither. when you wake up, you are aware that there was a period in which all phenomena ceased. you would not be aware of this period of "non-experience" if you were not still aware during the period it happened my point is that you can never verify something "unconscious" or "non experiential". you can experience the lack of all phenomena, which would be something like deep sleep, however even that is still an experience. the fact that you are able to contrast experience to so called "non experience", is proof that even "non experience" is in itself an experience EDIT; also im fairly certain you're misinterpreting the article. hes talking about physical consciousness (vinanna) and metaphysical consciousness (chitta). this video clarifies it quite distinctly (if u dont have time for the whole video, he talks about it specifically from 18:00 and on) Chitta basically means the same in hinduism, sadhguru quote; "Chitta is mind without memory – pure intelligence. This intelligence is like the cosmic intelligence – simply there. Everything happens because of that. It does not function out of memory – it simply functions. In a way, what you call cosmos is a living mind, not in the sense of intellect but in the sense of chitta." (this is the guy who wrote the article)

@BipolarGrowth how can you "see it" without any experience or consciousness at all? EDIT; quickly scimmed through the pdf u linked, interesting stuff, but i dont see it supporting your argument that the highest state is non experience / unconsciousness, quite on the contrary, the article refers to "chitta" or mind as consciousness. its refered to as immortal and unconditioned. (note that i just quickly looked through the article so i might be wrong)

+1 was about to write the same

i agree totally LOL, being aware of the infinite non existence that is behind your eyeballs is pretty strange loopy

@Breakingthewall just looking through his comments on this forum completely validates that hes a fraud. SUPER obvious and im usually easily fooledxD lol

way too much buddhism in one video

i would absolutley love a video on buddhism, perhaps with emphasis on the concept of anatta (no-Self). not small self, BIG SELF. (people get this confused often), dependent origination would also be nice to see reconciled with leos teachings. it could be a nice combo package with the traps of atheism extending to the traps of buddhism

very nice post, i especially like the last paragraph i've been contemplating the topic of deep sleep a lot, since at first it posed a contradiction to my understanding of awareness as an absolute. however after months of investigation i can say that i concur completely with your findings

that analogy proves literally nothing. whether you believe solipsism is true or not, its virtually completely impossible to disprove it. you could swap your consciousness into another human being for an hour and experience their perspective, but solipsism would still hold, because you still did not experience anything outside your own experience. the theory of solipsism is yes, it works pretty much like a video game, and quantum mechanics support this. the world only renders when it is observed by a conscious agent, until that point it exists only as potentiality

am i literally looking at the inside of my own physicality? the inside of my own brain?? if i zoom out or in far enough i end up RIGHT BACK HERE where i am right now. so i am literally inside myself, and actions caused in the external are actually internal and if so, is it implausible to suggest that actions in the external world cause ripple effects which ultimately end up affecting my own internal wellbeing, physical as well as psychological?

@Razard86 thats pretty much all im doing. however i find it difficult to distinguish between whats true and whats self deception. i mean u can pretty much condition the mind to believe anything is true

good question lol

i havent yet tried dmt, but ive probably listened to 50 hours+ of trip repots (lol), and i think the similarities to NDEs are fucking extraordinary. I just watched this, watch if u feel like it, super interesting. to sum it up: this guy specializes in NDEs, and he basically in detail describes his research of NDEs, and it literally sounds EXCACTLY like what 90% of DMT breakthrough reports. additionally he describes some super interesting cases, where people through their NDEs have acquired information which they couldnt possibly have gotten logically. he also describes a women born blind, having an NDE and experiencing visual perception in the afterlife realm / (DMT realm?) but yea, what do u guys think the dmt realm, and the DMT entites are? is it some kind of pre birth server, or is it some kind of playground for transcended beings?? its so fucking mysterious haha