Eskilon

The video is nice. And I agree with you, the eyes of this yogis are totally different from a normie eyes. You look into their eyes and you start to wonder stuff. Meanwhile you look into a normal person eyes and its full of ugliness(usually). Not just the eyes, the face have a totally different quality to it.

lmao, too true.

And that's precisely the point. The house is burning, Death is next moment. The fool thinks Death is far away, but is always next moment. If this doesnt compel one to seek and notice the urgency of it, then I dont know what will. People at large doesnt comtemplate Death, they are too casual about it, and thats why most are not wise people. Believe it or not, I dont, otherwise I wouldnt have found actualized.org. But language is limited, I have to express the larger point somehow. And I did consider suicide, its foolish for a variety of reasons. No problem, its was enjoyable indeed.

Doesnt mean shit that I exist, it could be destroyed, by Death. I get what you are coming from, that Death might be a concept, and thats true skepticism, but its not so simple like you are saying here. You can come at me like, "Well existence must exist because thats its function, non-existence by definition doesnt exist, so you(whatever that is) will continue to exist and Death is false, dont bother". And that makes a whole lot of sense, intelectually. You cant handwave death and prioritize the fact that you exist and thats enough. Being dissatisfied with desire, things not lasting, and Death always at the Door is perhaps the most logical thing as to why a human would pursue spirituality.

Well, it makes sense what you are saying. But it also makes one question why anyone ever preached ultimate liberation while still in a human body. Were they self-deceived and it is a fantasy? Maybe, maybe not. Suffering is crucial, I agree. But it is only a device. It makes one learn and self-correct. But I would say it is more like an airplane. You go into an airplane to go somewhere else, you don't stay there, staying there was never the point. It is a means, not an end. Whether it can be transcended completely or not I dont know, but it makes sense on why one would pursue that all things considered. Actually no, I somewhat disagree with the framing of " Truth is the Highest Value". I think the ultimate question of a seeker is not that of God or Truth. It is that of Death. That's the closest and the most certain thing you have. Why would you care about God if all there is, is just living and dying at the end and theres nothing more??? It's stupid to inquiry about God if you yourself dont know if theres anything that will persist at the end, if Death is really the end why care about God? If you just live, fuck, eat, achieve something or whatever and then die and its the end and nothing persists, why bother at all?? Might as well die right now, because its all pointless if there is not something that cannot be destroyed at the end. Anything in life is ultimately unsatisfactory, because things dont last, nothing last, all momentary, bound by time. Buddha was inquiring if theres anything that actually fulfills. Something beyond time and that cannot be destroyed, even if Death comes. And Caring about Truth is also problematic. Because it is a concept you have picked up from culture, specifically from philosophy. Caring about truth runs the risk of intellectualizing, getting lost in mind and thus never trascending. That`s why so few philosophers were actually awakened, lost in concepts, thinking that you will figure out if just think some more. Death is way more existential than God and Truth from a human perspective. It`s viceral, certain, the ONLY certainty in fact, beyond concepts. Spirituality is a inquiry about Death. You could say "But Death is Truth" yeah, you might say that now, but not when you didnt know.

Yes, that is true. But, it could also be the case the Yogi is saying something true regardless of genetics -- that substances, however powerful does not bring ultimate liberation and could be only a glimpse. Either way not saying its the case, but its worth considering since he is fully imersed in spiritual work 24/7 while we are westerners who apparently cant even sit cross-legged. Well, not to fight you or anything but maybe it could also be said that, if one's understanding does not bring liberation, bliss, or ending suffering, then one's understanding might not be complete, it might not be ultimate and in fact incomplete. One might actually be asleep and not totally awakened. If those things were truly separate(I don't think they are) I would choose liberation over understanding any day of the week. You understand reality, and then what?? More games? Won't you get bored of it? Thinking about it now its kinda funny one could get understanding but not bliss, ending of suffering and stuff like that, like what?? A total thing is a total thing, these things must be understood otherwise is just higher forms of games. Gods and superior undestanding migh be sweet sweet dreams, but a dream nonetheless. Like the case of devas and hindu deities. They supposedly live in higher realities, but they are still bound to suffering, and karma, still forms dancing around.

@Leo Gura Fake. What about absolute ugliness awakening?

You guys actually eat them??

We can't allow that skunk shit You better be nice and clean

@Leo Gura You know that when you get old we gonna eat you right???😈😈 All of your experiences will be ours!!!😈 I want the Alien Awakening part

That's a cool perspective. There's definetely a lot of wisdom in religion, we just need to sort the wheat from the chaff.

On point, this is wisdom.

Just because something sells, doesnt mean its good or desirable. Taylor Swift music sells, doesnt mean its good. Selling is a normie criteria for things. Its like you became a marketer for a second lmao.

This has been abundantly clear to me for years. I'm just reminding myself from a different angle: He even admits it himself that he is not ready to let go of his limited identity, that he likes using his mind, that "understanding" is his game. Yet it's couched in "awakening" language. I've explained why that is. I read the thread and from my personal experience I have to agree. Traditional methods like meditation, yoga and so on helps you grow and integrate, psychedelics gives you glimpses but that doesnt mean its automatic growth nor ultimate realization and liberation. Also, I never really liked Leo and others trashing on Buddhism(Therevada, Mahayana, Zen, Vajrayana) as if its a lower thing. Buddha and his sutras gives wisdom, insights and much more. Including higher realities, spiritual beings(aliens), spheres of consciousness etc. I have a feeling people havent read and contemplated Buddhism enough. Its quite profound and deep, Buddha was a leap in consciousness and a great step in human evolution. And Btw I am not a Buddhist lmao, the value of it its just too obvious and deep to be trashed at like its trashed here. This video is on point at what we are talking here. Psychedelics are powerful but they are momentary and they dont seems to liberate people. They give glimpses and might even change your baseline for the better, but they might not be the ultimate tool like people in this forum tend to believe.

Yeah, I think this is huge, maybe leo is not seeking liberation. Maybe he wants to keep playing in maya in the advanced realms so to speak. Not judging per se, to each their own and I am not claiming to know more than him, just thinking about this lol. Maybe awakening doesnt even truly mean liberation, those might be entirely different axis.

This makes sense. Like for example, do you think Alien awakening is just more maya? But Leo sort of claims is more profound than for example insight into sunyata, or standard non-duality. Do you think this is an ego-trip? It could be Leo is trying to differentiate himself just to earn his bread in the future so he makes bold claims like this, but I don't know, I remain open lol.

If I can expand on this point: Psychedelic use makes you take insights into Maya really seriously because they seem very salient and profound, because that is what psychedelics does. That is why I think Leo uses the word "awakening" for literally everything under the sun, and why he dismisses any pushback on such insights as "you just don't understand". The profundity makes it seem so special and unique that when somebody disagrees, it just cannot be the case that it's merely a disagreement but a profound lack in experience. But of course, the issue is when the insight is into Maya, that is exactly where disagreement can be had, and any clinging to it is deception and untruth. This is the unfortunate downside of psychedelics in that it makes you more prone to not just deception but profound narcissism, taking your own limited experience so seriously and dismissing any pushback on it as not worth taking seriously. "My view is so profound, that even if it's personal and limited, it's too serious to be even challenged". "You just haven't had that awakening yet". And the term "awakening" reinforces the deception because it sounds so final and "official", as if it's a stamp of truth. When in reality, it's purely untruth. This is exactly where Leo parts ways from standard non-duality (or rather completely inverts the concept). It's when you treat Maya like it's truth, when it's really not. Either you see this instantly, or you're stuck in the deception. @Carl-Richard I liked what you wrote here. I am curious, do you think Leo is very self-deceived with his psychedelic awakenings? Just a mild curiosity from me lol

Chop wood, carry water. It might give a good feeling for some time, but surely it is not a theory of everything because reality is a flux, it can't have a static final thing such as a theory of everything. Besides, if you havent understood what Death is, this theory is not so significant as it seems. Because it will be destroyed with you in Death.

Sitting on chairs

You`ve been fucking your own pussy as GOD, might as well...

That`s the ultimate siddhi right there, everyone who is not doing that is a fraud

Cant be intimate with your food if you are using utensils. Its like you are using condom. Real man eat with their bare hands

Yes. Especially western people, they have weak hip muscles and mobility. That's a result on sitting on chairs your whole life and losing contact with the ground. Chair is conformity of the west and it is worse for your overall health.

If you cant sit cross-legged for a lot of time you are physically weak. In that case a chair might be good for you.