Eskilon

I genuinely curious about your assesment of Leo's spiritual development and attainment. Is he a super being/human? A successful guy who had some glimpses of the beyond but still ordinary human? Would you say he is on par with The Buddha, Mahavira, Ramana Maharshi and others? Please be honest, I think we have enough material and history to talk about Leo's realization and development.

That's interesting that you mentioned. What do you think the implications of that mean? How could that influence Leo's teachings and behaviour if he did have that awakening?

Well said. I give Leo the benefit of the doubt and he gave me insane ammount of value overall. But, I do question if he is on par with the figures I mentioned on the topic.

I seem to intuit that too. Nice to know your perspective on this.

It's true that Leo was and is a major figure on my path. But that doesn't mean he has gone all the way.

Where is UnbornTao when we most need him😭. He would tear you to pieces for even thinking of using that word let alone writing in plain sight

Interesting that you type yourself as a 9. How come you are not a self-preservation or sexual 5?

I know that peak can be different than baseline. But also consider that there are experiences that will rewire you on the spot. Leo explored and continues to explore this kind of stuff fulltime basically so we should expect permanent changes to "Baseline" for sure. The sharp distinction between peak and baseline can actually hint that the person did not achieve what they are claiming to have achieved. I doubt that you are awake and you continue to behave like an animal(not saying leo is one, just an example lol) this seems like the perfect self-deception in my view.

All right, I will read your thread, thanks.

How can you say that?

Well, yeah. Leo is smart, and it's not a complete devil .

Hmmmmmm. I actually like your view of it. It makes sense for sure. I was gonna write more but realized I don't have direct experience to talk much about it but thanks for the words Natasha!

Not siddhis. It's difficult to talk about awakening since I am not awakened but for the experiences that I did have it seems ridiculous that someone can still be in ego after let's say what I experienced multiplied by 1000(let's say awakening is that). And not just once, dozens of times since he stuffed himself with 5-meo and the like. I don't know, his wording and attitude seems of, it's something I am sensing. Not saying he didn't experience stuff, he definely did -- that much is felt. But I don't know if his path is complete or fully awakened as the old traditions would say. It's interesting that you make a distinction between awakening and enlightenment, could you elaborate more on that?

No, that's not my view. Never said perfect, but he did questionable behaviours a bunch of times even after his awakenings. If you don't question such things, that's on you. No.

I see. One of the reasons I bring this topic up is because of Leo's questionable statements and behaviours people witnessed here on the forum and sometimes the language he uses and attitude. So it does bring some incoherence with what I would consider awakened one behaviour and language . Not that I know what is meant by "awakening" either, but yeah I'm curious to hear people's opinions.

I share similar thoughts, this seems like a sensible position all things considered

Alright, but share your view on the topic.

Not the dream taaaalk. That`s predictable.

As much as I respect you and your work, the chances that you are deluded is almost 100 %. Would you believe anyone who said what you just wrote? Also, considering your spiritual outrage of the past, it's hard to take your word for it lol.

where does mystics fits into the model? For example where would you put Buddha? Surely you wouldn't say he has inferior functions or demon functions lol. As he is supposedly to be a perfectly integrated being, so I think the model does not track awakened ones🤔🤔 We need an mbti for mystics and people who integrated and developed all aspects of mind

@Leo Gura But how do you know your imaginations are not just delusions, whishful thinking or self-deception? Your statement here opens up a whole can of worms. Insight is not whatever you want to be, I think you agree on that.

I shall invoke you to defend me

You grasped that numbers are infinite in one spontaneous go(all at once). Grasping is inherently whole. Yes, there's always more, but also there isn't -- as per spiritual insights

You need a math awakening. I think grasping itself is an all at once phenomenon, but at the same time it's gradual... it's tricky.

Well said. I don't think you can grok one of these without simultaneously groking all 3 of them. They are logically inseparable things upon close inspection. But who knows, I am not Enlightened and so I must consider Davino's point that logic is not king in these methaphysical affairs.