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@Leo Gura I found your new job in the next life, it goes like this: Selling infinite(x) awakening by the river

I want infinite horniness awakening. I want to be always ON and ready to do mischief!!

I was being sarcastic btw. Most users here see Buddhism as low form os spirituality, most of them just sucking Leo's dick because he too see that way. Buddha's teaching is not bs, if anything it rings more true than any teaching I have come across.

Don't say such Buddha's bullshit here. Buddhism is bullshit dude! We want impermanence, chasing our own tail forever and never truly being satisfied, ups and downs, peaks and valleys, ambition. We love suffering here! We are masochists and sadists, fundamentally! Out with your bullshit!

You're too predictable, no mind-reading needed lmao. I did make a point, you're interpreting as generalization, thats on you.

It's irrelevant what I think because your mind is already made-up. But, even if the stats show few minutes, that doesnt say anything about if it is the right ammount, or any other complexities of having children involves. Also, its data from the US only which may not be applicable to other nation with different economic and social situations.

it is, children is not the same as "things" such as work, hobbies and the such. But have at it, I won't change your mind.

Never said life is not a part of spiritual practice, look at Sadhguru, the guy dont stop at one place, his agenda is full to the brim, but you also have to look the insane ammount of work he did prior to this involvement with life. I am not life negative. But dont kid yourself thinking there are no tradeoffs to things. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It is a fact that the more "mundane" responsabilities the seeker have the less time he would have to pursue the way.

It's not all equal from a relative perspective, we are not talking from an absolute perspective. There are tradeoffs for everything you choose in life, including having kids. There's a reason spiritual seekers don't choose nightclub floors to meditate, but instead they mostly choose a quiet place. The same way can be said for having children, there's a reason many masters didnt have them, or even abandoned their wife and children to do the work.

Yeah, but so is everything else. I do think the bottom-line is that having kids will slow you down, because its more responsability on your shoulders. Spiritual work is a great enough responsability as it is.

@zurew Leo is definetly far from perfect and he certaintly has flaws. He can be arrogant and narcissistic. The topic below shows his flaws and that he might be high on his own farts too. I think he gives too much authority to psychedelics and he bashs eastern traditions without doing the insane work the old masters did like for example Buddha who meditated for 6 years before enlightenment and Mahavira who did it for 12 years, Leo didnt even come close to those numbers and yet talk like buddhism and stuff is bullshit. He is flawed and I would not say to anyone to trust his word on existencial matters lol. And he does sometimes appear close-minded, ironically. But he says good things too, you know, I don't really think he is a cult leader. Even if he comes someday and say all the things he said about God is false and delusion that too would be fine because he always said from the start to not believe him.

I didnt say that, listening is listening, it is neutral. But also, you listen to the things you care about in the first place, and you DON'T listen to things you don't care about -- listening is biased in that way too. My argument is that once you have a specific worldview, it is hard to truly listen to another person who has one different from yours. Which is your case, you can say you do listen neutrally but that is simply bs from what I observe. So you think we are in a cult here? Even though the "cult leader" has said repeatedly to no trust him(or anyone for that matter), to always question things to death. I don't know but this doesn't sound like a cult lol. Nice one. But, I am afraid you don't actually know the true shape of the earth, since you never exited nor observed from a high perspective. So no, quit being a smart-ass here kek. All you know about the earth is borrowed knowledge, not something existential.

The funny thing is @UnbornTao I don't see you listening to Leo anymore since you disagree with his worldview. Especially Alien Awakening Its easy to listen when you actually care what the other is trying to communicate and you dont have any prejudices. If you don't care, all is doomed. The only thing needed is care, if you actually care you will naturally listen. More listening to the one preaching listening

@UnbornTao I mean, you can bash Leo and be skeptical of him, you are righ in doing so(being skeptical). After all, Leo is a bussinessman, and he is very charismatic. He has all the qualities of someone who is a master deceiver. He could be a complete charlatan, one should definetely doubt him to death. But, you should also be doing this to your gods: Peter Ralston and Adi Da. You also dont know if they are charlatans or not, unless you verify the stuff they are trying to say. I dont see you applying the same rigor to your gods, you should definetely be doing that. Tldr; everyone is a charlatan unless you verify their stuff and conclude otherwise.

The video is nice. And I agree with you, the eyes of this yogis are totally different from a normie eyes. You look into their eyes and you start to wonder stuff. Meanwhile you look into a normal person eyes and its full of ugliness(usually). Not just the eyes, the face have a totally different quality to it.

lmao, too true.

And that's precisely the point. The house is burning, Death is next moment. The fool thinks Death is far away, but is always next moment. If this doesnt compel one to seek and notice the urgency of it, then I dont know what will. People at large doesnt comtemplate Death, they are too casual about it, and thats why most are not wise people. Believe it or not, I dont, otherwise I wouldnt have found actualized.org. But language is limited, I have to express the larger point somehow. And I did consider suicide, its foolish for a variety of reasons. No problem, its was enjoyable indeed.

Doesnt mean shit that I exist, it could be destroyed, by Death. I get what you are coming from, that Death might be a concept, and thats true skepticism, but its not so simple like you are saying here. You can come at me like, "Well existence must exist because thats its function, non-existence by definition doesnt exist, so you(whatever that is) will continue to exist and Death is false, dont bother". And that makes a whole lot of sense, intelectually. You cant handwave death and prioritize the fact that you exist and thats enough. Being dissatisfied with desire, things not lasting, and Death always at the Door is perhaps the most logical thing as to why a human would pursue spirituality.

Well, it makes sense what you are saying. But it also makes one question why anyone ever preached ultimate liberation while still in a human body. Were they self-deceived and it is a fantasy? Maybe, maybe not. Suffering is crucial, I agree. But it is only a device. It makes one learn and self-correct. But I would say it is more like an airplane. You go into an airplane to go somewhere else, you don't stay there, staying there was never the point. It is a means, not an end. Whether it can be transcended completely or not I dont know, but it makes sense on why one would pursue that all things considered. Actually no, I somewhat disagree with the framing of " Truth is the Highest Value". I think the ultimate question of a seeker is not that of God or Truth. It is that of Death. That's the closest and the most certain thing you have. Why would you care about God if all there is, is just living and dying at the end and theres nothing more??? It's stupid to inquiry about God if you yourself dont know if theres anything that will persist at the end, if Death is really the end why care about God? If you just live, fuck, eat, achieve something or whatever and then die and its the end and nothing persists, why bother at all?? Might as well die right now, because its all pointless if there is not something that cannot be destroyed at the end. Anything in life is ultimately unsatisfactory, because things dont last, nothing last, all momentary, bound by time. Buddha was inquiring if theres anything that actually fulfills. Something beyond time and that cannot be destroyed, even if Death comes. And Caring about Truth is also problematic. Because it is a concept you have picked up from culture, specifically from philosophy. Caring about truth runs the risk of intellectualizing, getting lost in mind and thus never trascending. That`s why so few philosophers were actually awakened, lost in concepts, thinking that you will figure out if just think some more. Death is way more existential than God and Truth from a human perspective. It`s viceral, certain, the ONLY certainty in fact, beyond concepts. Spirituality is a inquiry about Death. You could say "But Death is Truth" yeah, you might say that now, but not when you didnt know.

Yes, that is true. But, it could also be the case the Yogi is saying something true regardless of genetics -- that substances, however powerful does not bring ultimate liberation and could be only a glimpse. Either way not saying its the case, but its worth considering since he is fully imersed in spiritual work 24/7 while we are westerners who apparently cant even sit cross-legged. Well, not to fight you or anything but maybe it could also be said that, if one's understanding does not bring liberation, bliss, or ending suffering, then one's understanding might not be complete, it might not be ultimate and in fact incomplete. One might actually be asleep and not totally awakened. If those things were truly separate(I don't think they are) I would choose liberation over understanding any day of the week. You understand reality, and then what?? More games? Won't you get bored of it? Thinking about it now its kinda funny one could get understanding but not bliss, ending of suffering and stuff like that, like what?? A total thing is a total thing, these things must be understood otherwise is just higher forms of games. Gods and superior undestanding migh be sweet sweet dreams, but a dream nonetheless. Like the case of devas and hindu deities. They supposedly live in higher realities, but they are still bound to suffering, and karma, still forms dancing around.

@Leo Gura Fake. What about absolute ugliness awakening?

You guys actually eat them??

We can't allow that skunk shit You better be nice and clean

@Leo Gura You know that when you get old we gonna eat you right???😈😈 All of your experiences will be ours!!!😈 I want the Alien Awakening part

That's a cool perspective. There's definetely a lot of wisdom in religion, we just need to sort the wheat from the chaff.