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@LastThursday By that logic non-existence exists because it is the opposite of existence. But that is false, only existence exists, theres no contrast even though it appears so because we are using language. Consciousness and intelligence seems to be fused together so theres nothing that is unintelligent if reality is consciousness.

I makes sense too. But my view now is that there's not really anything unintelligent, just less intelligent but still intelligent. Intelligence seems to be always present, the question is only about "how much".

This is a good take. But I don't think intelligence is limited to coherence. It must include absolute decoherence. Total chaos must be there.

@Joshe I think this is the topic of omniscience. People say they do know everything, but not every micro thing. They claim omniscience is mostly a macro understanding, not a micro one. So I don't think they will magically solve any equation or know all the languages in the world fluently. But this puzzling because to me ominiscience includes both the macro AND the micro. But what do I know... Never experienced so I cant comment.

I see. I want to merge. I will work on this.

You are right, that's a jump. I still dont know that. Beautifully put. I think conciousness and intelligence is a marriage made in heaven, they can't be put apart. Although consciouness(if it is existence) is the only thing that seems to survive all conditions. Even the condition where theres no intelligence. I still need to realize most of the stuff talked here, some I understand intelectually but not at the undeniable level, which I think is at the level of being.

Me? Its true that I cant find myself in any specific place, but that realization is not profound yet like the recognition in a dream...

That's the thing, I can see that there's no difference between my life and my dreams at night. However, this is not at the level of knowing, its at the level of the intellect, it makes sense, but is not undeniable beyond a shadow of doubt. When you suddenly become lucid at your nightly dreams theres a deep, deep knowing that that shit isnt real, its not at the level of thinking or making sense, you just know and it is undeniable(and also only you know no other dream character know, they will even act scared if you tell them lol). I havent been able to do this with this dream(life) yet, if it is indeed a dream...

Good analogy, it makes sense.

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You cant have an on without an off. This makes sense. That's why death is impossible looking at it this way, at least logically this makes sense.

But as soon as doing begins that needs intelligence. Consciousness can just be empty being there, but doing requires a type of knowing which needs intelligence.

If it allows that it needs intelligence.

To be conscious of that requires intelligence no? Its magic.

yeah that's what I was thinking too, they cant really be separate. As soon as you have any type of recognition that is intelligence at play. Though you can have zero intelligence which I think would be deep sleep. So consciousness can exist without intelligence, because existence exists by definition.

Interesting. But in the "should be done" part, that requires knowing which requires intelligence. You can't have knowing without intelligence I dont think.

Bro, that shit is cursed as fuck

@Joseph Maynor The order of priority in life is like this: First Health, then finances, then relationships. Self first, others second.

Yes, pretty much all socialization is based on egoic gain in my view. There's moments where true socialization happen when you are just there with no apparent reason but those moments are rare and usually the person must be really mature and lived.

Hmm, that's a good question. I think the wiser plays the game with more intensity because he tends to be more aware and involved in the things he does. But also, he enjoys simply being too. The wiser enjoys the game more because he tends to suffer way less. Even though the path to wisdom involves a lot of suffering.

They will still suffer just like everyone else lol. They might overthink stuff but that overthinking doesnt necessarily involves money or status.

If you are an ENTJ you are not introverted -- according to that model.

Some money is nice and needed, sure.

Of course.