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It's an innate part of female attraction that made sense during the pre-agricultural era but is nearly always a massive self own in modern life. Easiest way to attract women is to be a terrible person.

I have a preference for large, soft even saggy milky tits but I have met women with plain average bodies who are sexy because of the way they carry themselves.

So genuine non-attachment, giving and interacting without expectation but out of appreciation?

Just say hello bro, women love polite men trust me bro.

If you get out of bed congrats you are masculine. You don't need to be a protector, provider, become master of the world etc... or any of that stuff if you don't want. Simply, listening to the guidance of your inner voice and intuition regardless of external influence makes you masculine. All the other stuff is manipulation and conditioning. Anytime someone says "real man" to you the do not have your best interest at heart only you will.

@Pav You said a lot of what I wanted to say. I live in a major world city. Women are dating the most attractive or the most high status wealthy. If a man is the rare combination of very attractive and wealthy, he has no incentive to settle down and women basically then exist in harems or what women now call a situationships. The women who can't get into the orbit of these kinds of men would rather be alone. Men are pragmatic we follow what works, looksmaxxing/glow up videos have exploded on youtube because it is clear physically attractive men live in a different world romantically. Also women are now admitting they ignore direct messages from men on instagram unless he has a blue tick. I went to a school connected to a professional sports team. At age 16 promising athletes who were trialling to win a professional contract for the sports team would attend my school for the yea. I remember this as being the moment where I witnessed how women behave when they have real desire for a man, suddenly all the walls and stiffness they have disappears and they can't contain themselves. I always remember the looks on the girls faces whenever these guys walked past. Later in the year some of the athletes were having sex parties with my peers, women I had known since I was 11 became these playthings and of course none of these situations produced a relationship but I bet their views of men were formed by the experiences they had with these men who live in a different world. I read a story today about hotels being frustrated by athletes organizing sex parties with lines of women waiting in the lobby for their turn. Modern dating has created a vast gap between the have's and have nots, it's feast or famine. Often men are given the advice "you only need to find one" but life does not work that way if you can't attract many you probably can't attract any and if you did somehow attract someone you are compatible with you would screw up since you are so inexperienced and lacking in sexual confidence. There is a really difficult loop that is hard to get out of as an unattractive man. I do believe there is a relationship between the mind, self-perception and external reality but it is far more nuanced than become a kind, good, enlightened person and you will be attractive. Even the high conscious women are still attracted to the most physically attractive men. Society also refuses to accept that dark triad traits trigger real desire in women. I have never heard a dangerous, actually terrible man having issues attracting women. If morality and consciousness is so important then why is this the case. I think modern life and technology has taken the masks of human dynamics and ironically and we are seeing each other in our most naked form as we did in a primitive past.

@Princess Arabia I nearly always disagree with you but I actually found your post here insightful.

Is this trolling?

@strika These silly just fallacy myths, I can't stand. Life is way more nuanced and fluid than this. High vibrational women are not necessarily attracted to high vibrational men. It is a myth that only immature, low vibrational women are the only ones to date terrible men. Society does not want to face the true amorality of female desire. You can tell these comforting stories if you want to but the world would look very different if it was actually true.

It's not about being good with women, it's about whether or not women are naturally attracted to you. There are a small percentage of men women naturally gravitate to, they are not gentle, kind, enlightened, virtuous trauma free angels that men are told to become. Then the rest of us either totally invisible or needing some kind of hook whether that be status, wealth etc for women to tolerate us. Since women have had an unprecedented increase in financial and social freedom they no longer need to deal with the undesirables, so we see this growing chasm between the have's and the have nots among men.

@BlessedLion I'm sure the the murderers and abusers who have an abundance of women are god realized.

@something_else Your comprehension is lacking.

@something_else Did you not read the post? I clearly said life is not fair but you should try anyway. Are you trying to be obtuse?

Life isn't fair, there is not someone for everyone. Does not mean one should not try but all the wonderful things in life are not handed out evenly.

Murderers, abusers, losers, bums, drug dealers, thieves have no issues attracting women yet the average struggling guy is struggling because women can see into his soul and feel that he is toxic and inauthentic. Give me a break, women have no special intuition for sensing the true nature of a man. They preemptively vilify the men they find unattractive and make excuses for the men they find attractive, only to play victim when it all goes wrong.

Usual gaslighting in here but what's new, supposedly by spiritual seekers would think that would come with empathy but no. "Shut up, your toxic and your experiences and observations mean nothing". How evolved.

Seeing a woman as being a beautiful gift and being a positive person have nothing to do with attraction.

@BlessedLion You don't have the answers. Reads like you are trying to convince yourself.

Women don't love men. At best they love men's desire for them.

Society has not come to terms with the fact that women are often generally horrible people and as we see in this thread will try to explain it away with new age nonsense. There is always some grand big picture explanation for their crap, you are right OP.

The most powerful thing men could do today collectively is to simple retreat from society. Say nothing, don't lash out just go your own way. There is no honest reciprocation from the other side, you are vilified by default for existing as a man. Let them have this men free, goddess worshipping, don't ask don't tell polygynous society. They will be fine.

Prepare to be invalidated in this very thread. Women have collectively decided they are always right.

Sounds like your gloating. Otherwise I agree with you it's always easier for women, it's a myth that men age like wine. Both can age wonderfully if they take an active role in their growth and development. The nature of the mating game forces men to be realistic about their place in the hierarchy due to constant exposure to rejection. If a man reaches 45+ without having his shit together it's because of apathy and giving up not delusion. Seems women of my generation (Late Millennial) and younger hate most men. If you are not some pretty boy or powerful in a context particular to a woman's areas of interest you are tolerated at best but more likely invisible or hated. Young men are vilified without even being able to get a foot in the door and show their inner qualities and to learn, supposedly the special female intuition allows women to see into the inner contents of a shy young man's soul to know he is truly a horrible person. Yet the same intuition is mysteriously defunct when it comes to the heartbreaking pretty boys, models, athletes, criminals etc they ALL get involved with including the supposedly spiritually evolved stage orange, green and yellow women. The question young men are asking themselves today is the juice worth the squeeze, the balance of the feminine and masculine is changing and the masculine has to make an adjustment but men are collectively deciding the effort is not worth it. Once you see the true nature of females without the innocent idealism or the misleading tent of patriarchy you have to ask yourself do you really want to deal with this? I understand why men in mass joined monasteries in the middle ages or dedicated themselves to science and art during the enlightenment. The task for men today is to ask what do I really want. Not what society wants or need, not what makes me a real man or virtuous gentleman worthy of respect from women(puke). What is good for me putting morality aside, whether that happens to involve contributing to society, relating to women, focusing on yourself as long as it truly comes from that inner voice that exist that hopefully is not corrupted in our chaotic world. Men should not worry about what you wrote because men need to step out of their base instincts and validate themselves, become great for yourself if you care to. Even the best woman is not worth the physical, emotional and psychological toil that men put themselves through.

Men are collectively realizing that being a virtuous, kind, gentleman is a scam. Pursue your desires and interest with no apology.

I'm on day 10 of what I hope will be a long No Fap streak. It's the sedation aspect which is driving me, just feels pathetic to sedate yourself as a way of avoiding your problems. I think some porn watching, drinking can be ok for a more actualized socially and sexually successful guy but for most of us porn, drugs, alcohol and video games are a cope.