Tenebroso

Interesting

I wonder if we would have Calculus if Isaac Newton had access to porn? Would we have Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel? Beethoven's Late Quartets?.....

@Emotionalmosquito You said exactly what I wanted to say.

"Women can smell childish, entitled attitudes and boring personalities from a mile off, on top of being able to see through a veil of fake confidence" So they have this superpower yet they can't use the same intuition the smell the presence of the abusive, violent, cheating men who they complain about day and night? Are these men not entitled? So either this often touted ability to smell the true nature of man is a myth and does not exist or it curiously only works with men who are not physically attractive or high status enough. It's interesting the most damaging men to women and society always have another woman to hurt. All of this sounds like a myth to justify the vilification of unattractive men. There is no special intuition.

@BlessedLion Being in the womb for 9 months is not an argument for young men to not express their struggles with dating. Seeing women as queens and goddesses helps nobody. Women themselves find that kind of pedestal repulsive. Anything mildly negative or critical of women at the moment is labelled incel ideology. Andrew Tate does not own the copyright to all discussion on gender dynamics. Young men absolutely have the right to share their frustrations, shutting down conversation will only direct men to more extreme corners of the internet. Men like yourself who either never struggled with these types of thing or don't struggle anymore live in a different world. If a man has experienced constant rejection going back to childhood what are you going to say to him? So I guess men who don't have the luck of growing up with love and a healthy support system are just worthless and should just kill themselves? One day if you are in a bad state for one reason or another I wonder how you will respond if someone says to you that you are pathetic. I guess you are psychologically and spiritually perfect.

@Yimpa Do you have anything useful to say, what was the purpose of this nonsense?

There is no correlation between the internal quality of a young man i.e personality, emotional intelligence, kindness etc and how attractive he is to women. Hateful, violent, abusive, amoral men all over the world have sex and relationships everyday. So obviously physical attractiveness and status are the deciding factors to the romantic fortune of men not entitlement or any of the rubbish being spoken about here. The idea that a man is lonely because he is entitled and deep down a horrible person and women can somehow sense it is gaslighting and just makes you sound pathetic. None of you actually care about young men, they are just a tool that makes you better about yourself "look at how evolved and insightful I am"

Weekly finger wagging towards struggling unattractive men. How brave and noble from supposedly high consciousness, self aware people. So fake.

Loving yourself is not the answer to 99% of life's issues. Loving yourself won't stop you from being hideous and having people unable to hide their repulsion towards you. Deluded. You would have a point if the only relationships that existed were between perfect, always positive, completely spiritually and psychologically developed. I think we can agree that is not the case, so evidently being attractive is obviously not contingent having these traits. Abusive murderers are doing just fine attracting women and getting laid, even getting married. Evidently the inner quality of a person counts for little until it's time to gaslight unattractive men about how terrible they are. Yet who is being toxic, cheating and mistreating women well that could only be the supposedly internally perfect, wholesome men who deserve relationships according to your point of view.

My counter argument is that reality does not match with what he is saying at all. Human beings are shallow. We try to pretend that we live in a world where all these internal qualities matter despite the fact you don't even get noticed in the first place if you are not attractive or high status enough. No women is interested in the wholesome, emotionally intelligent, self-aware man unless he is attractive enough to be on her radar in the first place. Young men are being told women don't like you because of your self loathing, personality etc Yet toxic men have zero problems attracting women. Since you know better why don't you present a "solution or constructive steps".

"Women can smell inauthenticity from a mile away it just reeks of desperation" This is the kind of rubbish that annoys me. Supposedly women can 'smell' inauthenticity yet the most abusive, negative, narcissistic men attract the most women. Either this intuition is a myth used to shut down conversation or women actively choose these kind of men and people like you try to gaslight unattractive men to shut down conversation because it makes you uncomfortable to acknowledge the truth. Self loathing and negativity only matter if you are unattractive, if you are nobodies type. It is not as if everyone other man and women out there is completely free of negativity and always confident and positive. Human beings are a constant work in progress, there is no finish line to development yet people find themselves in relationships at various stages of psychological, emotional and spiritual stages of development. If you are the 6'5 with blue eyes dream man that women all over social media obsess over you can be as hateful and imperfect as you wish. The never ending treadmill of self development is pushed to unattractive men to mask the true ruthless of attraction. It has nothing to do with self love and being whole.

Timothee Chalamet is a famous Nepo baby. Millions of men with similar personality get overlooked. Women use men like Timothee, Danny Devito, Pete Davidson etc to make a point. When really the point is that status makes any man regardless of personality attractive. I am kind and friendly towards women, doesn't make them attracted to me. The only people lying to men about attraction are women. Women complain about toxicity from men they are involved with yet they can leave these men. Are we to believe women with their incredible intuition are being blindsided and manipulated or is it that all standard go out of the window when it comes to attractive high status men. While men who have never lied, hurt or cheated on a woman are ignored and told it's because their toxic. I am not the one abusing women, cheating on them, manipulating, making them uncomfortable on the streets. Yet the men who do those things have no problems.

@Kid A Rubbish, go and troll somewhere else. The difference between getting dates and results with women has never for anyone, anywhere been contingent on emojis.

This is not true. Women say this to conceal the truth of what they are attracted to. Openly Psychopathic, narcissistic men have zero issue attracting women. They don't have to hide anything. One of the most common things said to unattractive men is that women can somehow sense and intuit the negative traits that are holding them back. So women can have an insight into the true nature of unattractive men and absolutely know their intentions yet, curiously this intuition does not seem to function as well with a certain group of men. Either women do actually care about kindness, emotional intelligence etc if a man is attractive or high status enough or women do not have some special intuition that guides them into making the best mate choices. Women all over social media basically admit that they actively choose fuckboys and assholes. It's not just young women or women from disadvantaged backgrounds. I believe women only have true primal attraction to the most attractive men and actually negative traits like narcissism but they have trouble reconciling what they are attracted to with what their ideal selves in their minds should be attracted to. Women want to be attracted to kind, emotionally intelligent, gentleman but that is not what they respond to. For all the vitriol directed towards players, abusers, fuckboys etc it is interesting that these men always seem to have romantic partners. You can almost see an algorithm that the more of a drain a man is on society, the more horrible he is, the less issues he has with women. Yet there is attempt to gaslight men into not seeing what is obvious because the truth is so uncomfortable. Ironically, if incels and unattractive men were as bad and dangerous as society made them out to be they would have no issues attracting women. It's telling that the few incels who go on to unfortunately hurt people end up receiving love letters from women but let's not talk about that. No, women are morally superior, virtuous mind readers.

@Lila9 Are there any male authors who you think write about women with any depth and insight? What do you think of the criticism of how women write men? On reddit there is a large subreddit on men writing women but as women authors and creators are being centred more, women's writing of men is under microscope too and even amongst women a lot of problematic things are highlighted in the way women write men.

Rubbish as usual. Niceness, charm, kindness, emotional intelligence have nothing to do with attraction. Women themselves basically admit this today. It's men like yourself trying to convince yourself the opposite because the truth of female attraction is too uncomfortable to face. You wrote a whole lot of nothing. Thieves, abusers, violent men have zero issues attracting all kinds of women. If you are attractive enough or high status enough women can justify anything you do. All these standards only apply to unattractive men who women barely tolerate at best.

@Chives99 With respect these kinds of posts don't help, you have not said anything nobody has heard before, just a sequence of empty new age cliches. Not every problem can be solved by "loving yourself". If you are a 30 year old man and have only known rejection and indifference from women and society "connection", "love", "wholeness" are alien concepts. People like yourself underestimate the psychological and emotional toll that exclusion has on someone from a young age it just builds exponentially. It's like living with a bad heart or terminal disease, once it happens you are never the same again. The best you can do is find meaning and self worth outside of sex and relationships, without all the spiritual crap that people write mindlessly without understanding themselves. If you had been in the shoes of the people you speak about you would not write what you have written. Women do not have empathy for unattractive, low confidence, women are not lovely and wonderful. Right now, in this very moment a violent, abusive man who isn't filled with love is sleeping with multiple women and has endless options. You make posts like this not out of genuine concern to help but to shut down conversation and put incels in their place. Try being awkward in a London west end nightclub and see how far that gets you.

Contrary to popular belief being nice and treating people how you want to be treated will make you seem weak. People respect fear and the ability to dominate. Society gaslights men into believing otherwise, while the spoils of life go to the most horrible men.

@aurum If love attracts love, then why are violent, abusive men so loved. They never seem to have a shortage o women to choose from. On another forum someone asked a brilliant question. Why do women never get The Ick from abusive men? Nobody could give an answer maybe the reality of attraction and mating is much darker and uncomfortable than we want it to be.

@Kid A More gaslighting. Actually a pathetic post with the usual stereotypes. There are men who didn't play video games, watch anime and stay inside who were ostracized for one reason or another, there is more nuance to why one life unfolds different to another than your myopic nonsense. Your generalizing of the entire spectrum of men that have struggled with women says more about you. If women are selecting for mate fitness I guess we should be glad that abusers, murderers and worse have no problems attracting women, just nature working as intended.

Most men are repulsive. For most of history women did not have choice in who they mated with which created an artificial abundance for men. What we are seeing today with men struggling is actually what is natural when women have choice. A few men get all the sex and the rest kind of just exist in frustration and are sedated with porn, weed, video games etc. In previous centuries a large hunk of the male population would be culled through constant war, generation after generation. Ironically the most powerful, attractive men are the most likely to harm and abuse women. Most unattractive men will never be alone with a woman and most harm done to women is done by men they know in one way or another.

@Kid A I've given up, I am just waiting to die. The only reason why I won't kill myself is that I believe in Reincarnation and don't want to repeat this life.

@Emerald Thanks but I think I am done. From the age of 17 I have tried everything. Finding that one person feels like a distant fantasy, when I go outside I see people my age and younger in couples, friendship groups, families etc While I am pathetically hoping that one person on this earth would like me. The hope is demoralizing.

I have experienced the same. What if you never get a yes?

I was unpopular with men and women. A group of boys used to tell me everyday at 15 that "Nobody loves you" it's etched in my memory. The leader of that group was already having sex with multiple women at school and is now married with kids. The girls at school used to say "I would die a virgin", when condoms were handed out during sex education class they laughed at me taking them, since I would never need them. I never found my group of outcast, anyone I asked out would laugh at me. Never got invited anywhere. If a healthy masculinity is so attractive then why do overtly negative, destructive men manage to attract women? How can I develop any self love with such a terrible foundation. I have no positive memories, nothing to fall back on where I can say at this point I was embraced, even cousins and older siblings treated me bad. If you never find your tribe, your self development amounts to nothing. I've had phases of trying to embrace myself and it works until you go home alone again knowing nobody cares about you or will call on your birthday. I am not angry at women anymore but I have given up on trying, the only reason I won't kill myself is because I believe in reincarnation and think I will have to repeat this lifetime if I commit suicide. So I just have to endure this pathetic existence until it's my time.