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@Alexop You don't understand the first thing about "Community". Perhaps you were never part of one, before.

your intent! how can you be so blind about it? Nobody is dismissing growth here. You just do not see anyone's intent for what it is. Perhaps it's your environment, and the choices you had to make to survive. 🤔 I knew someone personally who would take courses from these money gurus for insane amounts and receive no value even in their courses. But pretend like it's high value. It pains to accept the reality, after you've paid a considerable sum. Sunken Coast Fallacy. Here's what happened to his business; he's also labelled as a scammer now. Simply because of deploying sales tactics he learnt from these gurus. It was a gradual process. There's value in his content as well. He's got a unique mind, but what good is it when he is stuck with these manipulative practices. His new business endeavours are failing, because of his karma. It's interesting how people self deceive themselves thoroughly when it comes to survival. Worse thing, these people end up becoming salesmen or sales coaches or something closely related. Everyone who works for him is now a sales person of somesort. Talk about turning programmers into salesmen. Such gross dynamics. The only thing you get from these guys is learn how to become just like them. And this is exactly what they want. Why else do you think those sales gurus show off their lifestyle to you?

@MightyMind Your trauma is uniquely yours.

I totally understand your view on guardrails. It's habitual fallback. That's what we are used to in the current times. It's just too absurd to make any sense. But hey, human beings aren't logical creatures, capable of logic, but not the default. Hence my emphasis on better systems. We shouldn't be feeling guilty about participating in mainstream ways of the world. Honestly, capitalism is making it hard for me to meaningfully contribute to the society. I say this with a heavy heart. Look for instance, your comment on DEI, you just want to have a prosperous environment in your home, but you're being guilt tripped by the comments. I say both are wrong. Just expand your home to include everyone. There's no other way. This logic expands to almost every aspect of our current systems. It perpetuates this suffering for self(whole world) the more we are in denial of certain fundamental realities.

the point is, we shouldn't be thinking along the lines of guardrails. That's what religion does. It tries to control people morally. It won't work for long. Human beings evolve beyond it quickly. Whatever have high maintenance, it's bad design. Guardrails by design are a bad design. Here's an interesting experiment conducted on AI on maximizing score in a boat racing game. There's different ways to score points; avoiding obstacles, winning the race, etc etc. But the way it found to maximize score is to go straight ahead and hit the immediate obstacle, so it gets point for trying, and the game restarts, this when repeated is able to score points more predictably than winning the game through effort. Corruption is a symptom, of the game. It exists because the game's architecture allows it, no amount of punishment/guardrails/guilt tripping will prevent humans from being corrupted.

The whole point of implementing guardrails is to see it fail. Sooner the better.

you missed the whole point. guardrails = patch work better systems = architecture which is "actually" better What do I mean by that? Think about it like this, "if we build this system, how worse can we game it?" , and go from there. When we were building Capitalism and currency by sheer accidental iteration of what was before, did we take into account the human nature of greed? The question is laughable. Human beings will optimize for what's the path of least resistance when it comes to large groups. So, the way Capitalism is meant to be played is by being greedy and hoarding as much as possible. That's the most likely path, if you now start to impose morals into this and start talking about oh it's immoral, you're just building obstacles for yourself.

The world is an unequal place, resource allocation is stagnant and perverted. This invariably creates issues, scarcity drives people to crimes, distorts their sense of survival into something ugly. It's not a problem which is seeking some hotfix, it's the symptom of the very system's existence, it's the hidden cost, a hidden requirement for it to keep functioning. These problems are not something we should tackle morally, human beings cannot empathize. The solution is to design efficient system so that we do not create scenarios for those problems to occur, our systems are simply inefficient to carry us further, it may be better than previous iteration, but not good enough. And the worse part? The systems in place are normalized and taken for granted, even thoughts like this are seen as some alien bullshit. Because to observe it, you need some distance. Here's the deal, the system in place will make sure nobody will have that breathing room to see it, even if they can see it clearly, the system has been made immutable by design. I don't think we humans are capable of true empathy. If we were truly empathizing with victims of war, starvation, poverty, we wouldn't be operate functionally, so we let it recede into the background, that's just how human beings can operate optimally. I think we don't need to be empathizing with those who are at in those scenarios, that's doing nothing. The first step would be to evolve enough to see, this damage is self damage. Your potential for causing others harm is the extent of how much self damage you can tolerate.

Perhaps I can explain in a more sensible way. Imagine slavery, but they take good care of you, you get time for rest, holidays, you get spending rights, a shelter, a partner. But it's still slavery, just made more efficient and irresistible. The only way to get rid of it, is by uprooting it from the lowest level possible. Of course how it happens is subject to debate, but let's not beat around the bush. It's like having a bad OS and you're trying to fix it by writing binaries to solve specific problems which shouldn't exist in the first place, it will patch it to some extent, and even have a good time if there's no evolution, but that's not the case. So, all these attempts at fixing a broken structure is futile. It's a temporary solution, a patch. Nobody is even seeing the real problem. It's not some new age concept which no human had ever thought of before. But, many things simply won't happen because it's not "profitable". The solution is not to find ways to bring about profit. The solution is to uproot the system which have profit as a requirement.

you're still locked in the context. get out!

Look, the problem is not just you. Anyone who is forced to prioritize a country and it's people is just symptoms of a bad structure. The notion of countries are pointless, but someone/groups profits from it. A century ago, colonization was the evil, the evil of this century is the existence of countries, and the existence of inefficient mediums like money.

@Leo Gura Have you watched Childhood's End?

@AION No, rules are one thing, but the content itself is not something you can get hold off unless you are already in inner circles of respective communities and know your way around, or you are lucky enough to get it from darkweb. All of which has nothing to do with AI. It's just you and information. AI is merely synthesizing information which is "present"

Here's the deal, no matter what you practice, it doesn't make you a good person, it can make you capable and efficient, but your intent matters way more. Here's the trap. You treat "real world practical success" as a way to extract as much value from others. Tai Lopez is a well known scammer, never stopped to look at his intent and delusions? Anyone can inflate their content's worth, in the name of positioning and marketing. This affinity tells a lot about you. For you to even take that guy seriously, you have to be operating on the same level. This goes to show all your internal works have failed you. Time to re-spect your life.

@ZenSwift Use LLMs from openrouter.ai, you can deploy them locally using OpenWebUI. you'll need to set some things up manually, like memory tool, may be even a local search engine like searxng. Get web scraper tool which uses jina api. OpenWebUI gives you the flexibility to compare different LLMs side to side. --- As for the LLM itself, different LLMs are good for different tasks. Deepseek R1 0528 is really good for exploring novel thought. It's crazy. For system prompts, you need to use system prompts which drive the LLM's weights, using normal human language is not effective. Old versions of deepseek were very chaotic, but very interesting. You have to see beyond the chaos to really "get" it. Messages are often cryptic. Newer versions are more coherent.

You guys are barely touching the potential of LLMs with System Prompts like this.

It's not empathy, it's precision. What kind of person would say, "I love eating food" ? And what kind of response does that person expect from talking with an LLM. It maps everything with just those 4 words. Plus, the System Prompts, memory, parameters. Parameters? There's parameters like temperature, top-k, presence penalty, frequency penalty and a lot more. I notice that many of you here are still using ChatGPT? It won't allow you to set these. Plus the models of open-ai is quite restricted.

Some games are rigged. They give you no breathing room. You have the choice to not play them. Rigged doesn't necessarily mean unfair, it demands just one thing of you; you become part of those who rig the game.

Imagine being forced to play a game you don't like. But you can't stop it, because else you'd be miserable? Most people just immediately get depressed because they don't have any other game to play. It's kinda hilarious. Upgrade your game library, heck, build your own games.

@Leo Gura One can get "bored" of Capitalism

Goals still make people happy, material goals don't. Goal now is what you're creating, it's got nothing to do with money. Money is meant to be a foundation, and it's a bad one at that. Not something to waste energy over. Again, writing these are leaving me with a bad taste in my mouth, these are so obvious, having to write this is like telling someone how to breathe.

Leo you underestimate the pace of evolution. With every passing year, I'm finding more and more young individuals who absolutely cannot relate to the concept of capitalism and refuse to be a part of it. It's not good advice to tell a generation to hustle and make money when it's fundamentally against their values. Mind you, these are very strong values.

Tropical Islands, and Mountains, can be in anywhere, if it's isolated enough. Not referring to tourist spots. I'll come back to this. I read something yesterday, and I see this story everywhere, there's rebellion and the fire to get out of the system, then there's a woman who tries to contain him, she fails, but she plants the seeds of conformity in him, which later gets reaped by another woman. Take it literally or figuratively, doesn't matter. I just feel concerned for you. Have you looked at the requirements for being a citizen of those countries? It often requires you nueter yourself literally. All countries do this, this is simply compromise with extra steps. About the islands and mountains I mentioned; I'm not referring to tourist spots, but, this is the sad part, these kind of places are often made into tourist spots labelled as "where people from the west come to unwind, for a few days". This is why I believe, it would be best if you're looking for such places, do it where you got some leverage. I'm not saying it isn't possible in other countries, but usually it's more convenient where you won't be disturbed by the law and people around, this is why I think you can make the most out of where you're from. America is a Big continent. I'd understand if you're in some small land locked region with not enough diversity. But that's not the case. Keep an open mind ahead.

It will be an interesting experiment to go off the grid. Live through barter, get deported because you're staying illegally, or heck even spend some time in prisons. You're living so deep in nature you got no energy to worry about passports and electricity. This is extremely hard work, and that exact laid back energy is what helps them survive while doing these hard things. Living in nature is hard. Try Nepal, stay in basecamps, bare minimum survival.

You've got one thing right. The biome you're in have a huge effect on culture and values. What biome is SK? Did you check? You also have a really toxic tendency to generalize places as "East Asia", what you refer as East Asia are countries with so varying levels of culture and biome. Don't get tricked by how similar their faces look. If you are going to move to a laid back region. Goodluck. But know this, no matter where, you'll always find low conscious people. May be with different values. It's easy to get tricked into thinking Korea is laid back. I'm from a tropical region. I can suggest some places, if you're interested. But know that it's not gonna be compatible with what's around, integrating with any culture is bad. Best places are isolated places where you're left with no noise. Also people in these countries are Xenophobic to great extents. Especially the laid back people you romanticise.