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I wasn't talking about Leo, not by any means. I'm trying to get you all to appreciate all the forms human mind can take on. Everything is a possibility.

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Being NOT social doesn't mean one has to hate people. Its not black and white. You're all making it hard for Leo to speak his mind. A mind which loves socialization is shallow by default. That is the definition of a group. That's the whole point of a group, you don't have to do all the heavy lifting. You can relax. The latter is not "anti-social", the latter doesn't care about socializing, he doesn't avoid people either. Having people around makes no difference to him. And he does go through a phase where he avoids people, as in anti social. And that's a good thing, an essential step. Human mind has so much flexibility, don't underestimate it. If you are a social being, anything else is "the other". You don't care about it. So it's easy to just put labels on it and be done with it.

Don't be ridiculous, transcending the need for people, is one of the basic steps, towards Sovereignty of Mind. If you ask such a person, "if the whole world ended right now, keeping you and you alone alive, would you be happy?" Yes would be the answer. Because happiness was never tied to others. It changes nothing, he was happy before when people were doing their own thing, he's the same now with all people literally gone.

I don't see the value in this approach, you're making assumptions like Leo is infallible. Most of what Leo said becomes irrelevant a day later because there's some new insight, a better way to explain the same thing. Neutral approach has it's own value. And I prefer neutral approach over biased approach, all the time. Don't skip the real work. Using it as a search engine of sorts is not a bad idea. There might be people who want to do it. But this can easily lead to dogma, belief, and blindness.

Systems can be inefficient, if not inefficient, there can be hidden trade-offs. It's not magic. The point of systems is to get the job done and free yourself from it. Systems can turn into your own self built prison. I've experienced something of this sort when learning to build procedural systems. The more complex a system, the more lifeless the game felt. I value systems when they help create the art. I've changed my approach to building systems since then. That's just me and my art background. I recognize there's value in systems which are heavily complex, even if it doesn't help you directly. These systems often become foundation of something else. Just telling "perfection in systems is bad" is just half the picture. We need people who care about systems with their life. There's value in both. The question is, what's your intent, with using or building a system, and staying true to that.

I knew that wasn't a dude. It's easy to spot from the writing. I could be wrong. But hold on, I got a little excited when I read "Modding", modding which game 😆?

plant a bug in Leo's room, and have fun

sure, you need a GPU with reasonable speed, even the lower end ones will do. I've monitored the GPU usage, it's efficient(so long as you have enough VRAM to house the entire model). I mean, that's to be expected. It can run on CPU, but really slow. I'm on Linux, so these are relatively easy to set up.

Just don't listen to Andrew Tate😂

Yeah, I understand now. Solitude as an escape is never healthy.

@Daniel Balan that's really sad, man. Very few get to experience these kind of things. I've seen stray dogs getting poisoned by the locals. It's very heartless. Me and a few kids used to go and save stray puppies from diseases, feed them till they can fend themselves. But most of them end up dying, within a few months for reasons unknown. That's when I started to realize most people see dogs as a nuisance. They don't see humans are just another animal. Then there's my own pup, he's just 2 yo. When strangers come home, the first thing they say is, chain him. We don't chain him, that's not how we treat him. I have made sure he hates chains, also encouraged autonomy. He communicates, makes demands, and is very emotional. Strangers barely know all this, most don't treat dogs well, even if they "own" one. Meanwhile, dogs , they sense good people. I feel a strong affinity towards them, they usually wag their tails instead of barking at me, as a stranger, no matter where I go. Life of dogs is very sad from a human perspective, but, I've noticed that the stray dogs are more playful. It's a very fascinating thing, how humans catapult themselves into suffering and devilry: they have convinced themselves it's part of their survival, while dogs are experts at being joyful. My point being, don't give up hope on humans. There are many good people. You know? It's a 12 yo kid who convince me to go with him to save the little puppies. Kindness is always there.

Guys, you'll be disappointed. Use AI to build neutral perspectives, not Leotistic perspectives. The new deepseek r1's thinking process, is interesting. Asking it complex questions and watching it think and reply is fascinating. I recommend running it on your local machine for speed. Using ollama, terminal, and perhaps a 7b model for reasonable speed.

Precisely yes. It's nice if you can be in that state for long enough time, like for a few years. It's a much needed alignment. You'll come back stronger.

@Leo Gura That Warning went bad, that wasn't necessary. Anyways, solitude reminds me of Kojiro Sasaki from "Record of Ragnarok" anime. He isn't competitive, he's only concerned about mastery. Most of the time he trains alone, uses interaction with others to assess his skills and devises plans to grow, once he outgrows them, he doesn't mind them or ask them for a duel. But he's clearly grateful to them for showing him his limitations and showing him their strength. He lives a nomadic life, looking for much stronger people who would offer him a fight. And once he fails the fight, which he always does, he spends a good chunk of time training alone, surpassing them Also lives on his own, rejects stable job offers, because it doesn't excite him. Such lifestyle feels like fantasy to many, especially if you're in the West. That's the worst bias you can have. This is entirely possible, there's a few who live like this. On the top of my head "Moojin Hanvit" comes to mind. He have made some videos on how he's been living in solitude since his twenties.

You need a very strong alignment with your values to do what you truly value. Silence, pause, void, nothingness; all of these are essential for alignment. External world is a noise, at one point you have to do some serious reflection and be clear about your values. But if you live against your values, or your environment is such that your values have to be hidden from yourself, they never come to the surface. This is why most people try to drown themselves in various things; money, drinks, drugs, sex, social media. And most of these to some extend is encouraged by society because of the majority's tolerance level. Also the human excuse of being social creatures. On enjoying life, do you value it enough? Or is it some second priority? Human body is designed with too many flaws. If you drink tonight, you can't focus tomorrow. Pleasure and work bleed into each other. Work Life balance is a myth. It's all part of the whole. The more you try to seperate it, the more neurotic you become.

Green: Idealism, Revolution, Victim of the World Yellow: Pragmatism, Incremental Growth, Master of the World --- If we burn down the current systems, it will simply be replaced by another system just as bad or far worse. Revolution is against integration. Seeing people or systems as inherently evil or good is short sighted. Also, corruption and other compromises are to be expected from a system, it depends on how efficiently the system designed. This also means, bringing in superior systems to the world prematurely can cause more harm than good. Because, don't forget, higher systems are co-created by the people. Side Note: systems and individuals need to be approached very differently. Individuals are infinitely more complex than systems. Individual is a real thing, a system, however complex is still a construct at the end of the day.

It's actually very simple. Take a good look at their energy.

Good call.

I'm just looking out for the kids in this forum. Good joke. --- I want to add something. Everyone, no matter where you are in life, what your current priorities are, don't feel bad about your current level of development. I don't want my previous posts to instil any sense of fomo or urgency. No stage is higher or lower than your current one. It might not make sense at the moment, but I hope my intent is clear.

I have been noticing some very strong Stage Green Shadow, well, funny thing, I wasn't aware of it till recently. Perhaps, it's my mellow lifestyle, I live close to the equator as well. Here's something which I entertained very much; Jacques Fresco's ideas on World without Money, I have entertained it without putting in the effort to understand it structurally, from a meta perspective. Also been using the concepts in "Social Matrix: Society is a Mass Hallucination" to paralyze myself. And it's been a success . Jokes aside, I'm looking for ways to develop my Stage Yellow, and I find it extremely "tricky" to get a grounding on my Yellow qualities on the social side of things; everything related to the social matrix, including money. It's not so much that I don't know what to do. It's more of I am pulled back constantly by the shadows; old habits, worldviews, unconscious beliefs, and people, most of which I've managed to "see" successfully. I'm 22. Right now I have the means to work on myself, to build a life purpose which isn't Orange. Approaching the social matrix and achieving financial freedom as a stage yellow is so damn demanding and difficult. I can see that much. Stage Orange ways of making money disgusts me, I have not yet grown to really see Stage Orange as "inefficient". Infact, stage yellow on a stage orange society feels like a war, the fact that I have to create value in epic magnitudes has been one of the first realizations. It is daunting. haha

@aurum I don't agree with you. Everything is here now. Reaching turquoise by 22 is entirely possible if it's your priority. I'm not claiming the work gets done at 22, not at all. Stage Turquoise is just a starting point. Many more levels to unlock, and much energy is needed to integrate stuff. The work just begun. Careful not to create self imposed limitations, based on imaginary maps like Spiral Dynamics. P. S - I've been extremely lucky too. Not gonna deny that. Its hard to explain. I can't express how grateful I am. Plus, there's a huge price to pay no matter how lucky you are and no shortcuts. To me it absolutely doesn't matter whether you reach it at 20 or 90. That's why I chose 20.

BTW, ever stopped to question the structure of Spiral Dynamics? Don't you think it's extremely biased and reeks of stage Orange influence? It's not a co-incidence. Spiral Dynamics is made to account for Systems in the society, not individuals. We risk so much inaccuracy trying to set SD as the only developmental path for "individuals" in the society. Plus, it's born in a stage Orange society. I bet if a stage Green-Yellow society created this, and let's assume, Orange never existed to begin with, SD would have different biases, and even more nuanced self perpetuating levels. And SD as it stands, have accounted the patterns it have noticed in human society, with our very peculiar set of environment variables; we are on earth, we are evolved monkeys, not crocodiles or bats, and so many things. They haven't even accounted for the aliens. My point being, don't take this construct seriously. SD is just one paradigm, don't get locked into it. We're animals. We'd do anything to survive. It's interesting how self deception have become a vital part of this process.

It's a lot more complicated than that. 22 is just fine to be yellow, or turquoise. Imagine what humans will be like from a 10,000 years from now. Don't limit yourself.

Did you spend your time navigating stage Purple?