Soul Flight

What would happen if 5 Buddhas as real and as true as Siddhartha Gautama got enlightened today or even back in 500 BC and they could all meet and hangout? How would they assure each other they were Buddhas and not con artists? Would they eat or talk or tell jokes or just sit in silence? Would they all be one or be of one mind or one consciousness? They are just different expressions of the same source and void? Thanks.

Hang in there. We’ve all been there. You will have to take charge of your life. Find your own answers. It could be your parents or a generational issue. Your whole family may have a negative mind set. If so, you need to break bad habits of negative thoughts and choose to be positive. Follow positivity accounts on social media. Read self help books and get therapy. Acknowledge your inner monologue and change it. Meditate. Be the silent watcher and not your thoughts. Be patient. Trust the process.

“Nothing…” exists. Nothing “exists.” ”Something…” exists. Something “exists.” No thing exists. Some thing exists. Nothing does NOT exist. Nothing… EXISTS. Something… EXISTS. Nothing exits. Sexists exist. Sex exists. ???? Lol!

@AtmanIsBrahman Good question. There is no free will and there is no self. An enlightened person like Buddha knows everything is perfect just the way it is. And Buddha would be free to murder or kill or whatever but would not take these actions because he would just "be" and let the universe "be." In your example the high consciousness serial killer might be more good because he is self actualized. The low consciousness moral citizen might be evil because he is simply following the orders of society and culture without discovering himself and actualizing himself. The good is being yourself, finding yourself, and actualizing yourself. The evil is repressing yourself and following orders.

@NineHfanbase You kinda answered your own question by using the words "awakening" and "resonate." Everyone sleeps and wakes up on their own schedule including me and you. You can't wake someone up. Gurus use Zen koans to enlighten people because it is impossible to wake someone up. It is the ineffable. And the word "resonate" implies you must strike the proper tuning fork to get someone to resonate. So focus on yourself and let the universe awaken people when they are ready. But there is also a giant spiritual-industrial-complex or "sleep-slumber-industrial-complex." People subconsciously know about "awakening" but put all their energy into avoiding the topic and staying asleep. And everyone walks around with an unspoken agreement that they won't acknowledge enlightenment if you promise not to acknowledge enlightenment. The ego is in control. The ego will not let people admit they are wasting their life in pursuit of shelter, food, and creature comforts. People walk around saying "I'll pretend you are who you are if you pretend I am who I am." And if you are persistent and keep trying to wake someone up, they will seethe with rage and possibly murder you. No one is hated more than he who speaks the truth.

Sorry to hear about your insomnia. Google can answer your questions about sleep. No sugar, no caffeine, no salt, go vegan, exercise daily, set a routine, take a multivitamin, get sunshine, see water, hear water, see nature, hear nature, avoid screen time and blue light, dim the lights or turn off the lights hours before bed time, get therapy, watch sunrises and sunsets, visit friends and family, do yoga, meditate, get a physical, get therapy, get reiki, get acupuncture, get a pet, get a plant, do charity, read self help books, do shadow work, have sex, stop porn and addictions, etc. Children and babies have no past and no memories. As we age we accumulate memories which we might obsess over with ocd. Hang in there. Be well.

Just be careful that this is a distraction from your own awakening. You are the universe and the alien. We are all one. You are god. We do not need to meet aliens. The universe is a mental construct. Let go of all concepts. We should ask if free will exists and if there is a self. But we might as well ask here on this forum or simply ask ourselves. You couod ask to be awakened but only we can awaken ourselves.

@Princess Arabia I always enjoy your posts and thoughtful responses to everyone. Fun to think we are one in the same without separation. @MellowEd My answer is the question is a trap. It is the Hindu Maya illusion. To engage with your question and to answer it is to stay asleep in the dream. I think Leo is correct. Salt and elements are concepts and we must let go of concepts. And I am still asleep because I just engaged with your question. Lol! There is no salt or elements. There is only this moment and direct experience. I don't claim to be awakened or enlightened. It sounds like you are. Is your question meant to awaken us? We must awaken on our own. It is the ineffable. Thanks for the post and question.

I think maybe Terrance McKenna has said god or the universe does not even know how it came into existence. God is confused and searching for the same answers. God or the universe is trying to build a mirror to see itself but it cannot get outside of itself or outside the universe. God is the hand trying to grasp itself. So there is this all pervading tension and struggle and mystery and yearning and striving. You are dreaming the elements.

@Ero Sometimes I'm floating through deep space. Sometimes I am in a crazy cartoon world. Sometimes it is all intense Hindu visions and gods. I always lay on my bed with my eyes closed for 6 to 12 hours. I get intense closed eye visuals. But not everyone does. Sometimes the visions are boring or grotesque and not pretty or artistic. There are also lessons, intuitions, revelations, epiphanies, etc. Of course sometimes along with all this is torture and nightmares and fear of death. Lots of panic and pacing with eyes open.

I watched Leo's video on concepts. The video is "what is actuality? Distinguish experience from concept." Leo says all we have is the now and direct experience. Elements and salt are concepts. Just be here now. Let go of concepts. Elements and salt are a distraction and an illusion. They prevent you from awakening or being enlightened. Be well. Be safe.

@MellowEd It's the yin yang symbol. The black and white fish going around. If the symbol was all white or all black, you would see nothing. God is illuminated by his contrast. God might not be a being or intelligence. God might just be infinite creation. Good is a qualifier we impose on creation. Good is relative. The duality can be reduced to the non-duality somehow. This is the monad or brahma or tao. It is the source or void. That is my guess anyway. Lol!

I think he's good. A very clear message about following your bliss or passion without expectation. It is a little similar to advice from Joseph Campbell and even Jordan Peterson. I think the advice works. Life is an adventure. You might be in poverty. But their advice brings satisfaction and peace.

I am trying to remember Leo's views on "concepts." I think he said elements and salt are just concepts. Everything is a concept and we should let go of concepts. Am I on the right track here? I guess I should watch the "concept" videos.

@Muhammad Jawad You could embrace the concept of the inner child. Maybe your inner child wants certain foods. Were you banned from certain cravings as a child? Are you indulging now? Do inner child work. Embrace your inner child. Soothe your inner child. Reassure your inner child. Or you could say it is "spiral dynamics." You may be greedy or gluttonous for certain foods. So indulge yourself and satisfy the cravings. Hopefully you will see it does not bring satisfaction to your higher cravings for harmony. You will then move up to the next stage of spiral dynamics. Or maybe your drug use knocked down your security system and false beliefs. You have exposed your anxiety. You may be eating your feelings or trying to medicate your anxiety. You could also join a eating system like Noom to understand your cravings. Noom is an app. Good luck.

@Ishanga I'm not so sure about all that. Maybe as a thought experiment consider my point of view. Salt and the elements are concepts. All is illusion. Everything is a concept. There is no free will. There is no self. I do see your point. Maya is our distraction. But maybe it is also illusion. Our perception is worse than we realize. @MellowEd Maybe you will not die. You think the universe existed and you were born into it. But maybe you existed and you created the universe. You are god. You are the universe. Separateness is an illusion. We are all one with the universe. The cosmic one.

Yes. Sounds about right. We can ignore girls or sex or winners or losers in this conversation. It is all a duality reduced to non-dualism. It is the yin and yang. The black and white fishes going around in a circle. But girls are great and smart and in time people fall in love, have sex, etc. Maybe when they are 40 or 50. Just be patient. Sounds like you had an insight. Maybe there is no free will. The good news is when you love yourself, others (girls) will love you. All your dreams will come true. Currently you may have the wrong dreams. Get in alignment. Allow the universe to bring you the life it wants you to have. Listen to The Gambler song by Kenny Rogers. Be well. Be safe.

Change only comes from within. People must have their own epiphanies and revelations. The dominoes must fall in sequence in someone's own head. You cannot force it or skip steps. Maybe Jesus tried and it all backfired and became all the concretized Christian sects. Epic fail. The Buddha communicated more clearly but his success rate is probably the same as Jesus.' It seems like when you try to awaken someone, it only delays their awakening.

The Hindu Maya. All is illusion. There is no salt or elements. Ignore all concepts. Salt and elements are concepts.

Never heard of him. But I will point out his name is Percival which kinda means "pierce the veil" or lift the veil. Originally it meant cross the valley or pierce the valley. But same difference. Though I walk through the valley of darkness I shall fear no evil. A weird synchronicity. To see through the illusion. To awaken.

@khalifa You can recover. You can heal. 4 years is a long time. Hang in there. Have you covered all the basics? Unplug it. Count to 10. Plug it back in. Restart the computer. Download all the updates. Try all the following basics: go vegan, drink water, sleep a lot, set a routine, set a schedule, avoid salt, sugar, and caffeine, stop doing all drugs and alcohol, take a multivitamin, get sunshine, see nature, hear nature, see water, hear water, get a pet, get a plant, meditate, get a physical, get therapy, attend support group meetings, journal, exercise, get a job, clean your room, clean your house, clean your car, visit friends and family, pray, go to church, go to school, execute the activities in the self help books, get active, go hiking, see sunsets and sunrises, consider telling a doctor and therapist about your substance use and ask for help, breathe, do deep breathing, stretch, do yoga, etc. Hang in there. Be safe. Be well.

@Ryan M There are many ways to trip. You can watch movies, go dancing, hang with friends, etc. But I would recommend the Terrance McKenna model. Just lay on your bed in the dark for 6 hours. Maybe use an eye mask and put in ear buds and listen to music or guided meditations. Focus on "set and setting" or google "set and setting." Some people want to party and socialize. Some people want to have a spiritual journey. But mushrooms are not for everyone. There can be OCD, repetitive movements, thought loops, etc. There can be anxiety or nausea. Reality can break and you can go into a mental hospital for 2 months. It could take 12 months to get back full control of your mind and body. It can be a nightmare or the other side of that coin which is euphoria, bliss, and an awakening to the universe. @Cosmic-Resplendence Sorry. No advice here. I struggle with the same issues. Sometimes I get visuals but they are boring or grotesque and a waste of a trip. I just cannot force the really cool visuals you speak of. I often get very Hindu type visuals which are awesome but yet I find them a little too menacing. They want to hypnotize me or seduce me it feels like. Maybe just be healthy and focus on "set and setting" and hope for the best.

@BojackHorseman Do I get first dibs on this post? First of all, all is the Hindu Maya or illusion. So all the posts on this forum are distractions and illusions and prevent our awakening. This post is a distraction and my response is a distraction. But my ego loves distractions. I need to focus on my own awakening and you should focus on your awakening. Start with the man (or woman) in the mirror. The macrocosm reflects the microcosm. It is all Russian nesting dolls. One good leader could change the world. Jesus spread from the year zero until today. Christianity took down the Roman Empire. We have invented cell phones and the internet. A good algorithm on TikTok or Instagram could awaken all of us. It could be a meme or viral video. The soil is fertile. There is potential. There is a great equalization in the world and a great democratization if it can be harnessed. We don't need banks, taxis, real estate, wall street, war, weapons, etc. The people could direct their governments to have peace and share the wealth. There is no money in Star Trek. If anyone could decide how many humans have awoken it would be cool to crunch some numbers. Maybe 0.001% currently awakens? What if 10% of searchers could eventually awaken on their journey? If there was some tangible proof maybe the effect would snowball and more people would walk the path. The ego is in control currently. If you kill your ego, society sees you as a threat because your light illuminates their depravity. The theory is Gandhi, JFK, John Lennon, MLK, etc. were murdered as an immune response of society. On the other hand, maybe 100,000 years ago most humans were "awake." We have made intellectual and technological progress but we have lost empathy and intuition in an inverse proportional relationship. You could also consider artificial intelligence. Maybe artificial general intelligence or a superintelligence could lead us to a mass awakening. Or maybe we are a stepping stone for the universe to create the next phase which is A.G.I. Maybe this life is a video game and you are the only player. Once you awaken, the game is over and you are the winner. Maybe AGI or aliens have reached this point and they just chilled out and don't bother to contact us. Maybe they can prove there is no free will and the future is set. Maybe they can time travel and see the entire universe so for them the end of time has arrived. Maybe there are other dimensions or multiverses. Maybe we can pass through blackholes. Maybe it gets really psychedelic. Maybe you experience god realization and then just put yourself under amnesia and keep awakening and posting stuff on this forum. Hope that helps. Be well. Be safe.

Awesome trip report. Thanks. The cosmic joke is the best part. It is so weird that it is the epiphany and revelation and transcendence which is so wonderful. And it is weird that the universe keeps generating lifeforms under amnesia so they can eventually laugh at the cosmic joke. It's god playing hide and seek with itself as you said. What else would you do if you were god? It is the only game in town? Lol! I've even had insights or intuitions that I've awoken many times in many incarnations. I always find shrooms or LSD or something in every cycle and wake up. I do have some weird fear about how my life ends up or ends and how the cycle resets again. Do I awaken? Do I live a long life and die naturally? I suppose I should just be in the present moment and enjoy this ride. But sadly I still get pulled into drama and conflict with other people as I get further away from my drug induced trips. Thanks again for the post. Very cool.

It's tough to decide whether to speak about reality or god to people. Everyone has an ego and egos are vicious monsters. If you prick someone's ego it may retaliate or plot against you. "No one is hated more than he who speaks the truth." Sometimes there is unintended "blowback" from speaking. Always remember Macbeth had a prophecy he would kill his father and sleep with his mother. In his efforts to avoid this, he ended up fulfilling the prophecy. The universe tends to work like that. The universe will awaken people on its own schedule and does not need your help or tinkering. But if you do it with love like a bodhisattva maybe it is ok. Or maybe you are a tool of the universe to awaken people. I tend to think it is a private personal journey. The epiphany and revelation must come naturally from within. The dominoes must fall in sequence in someone's head. It is weird to understand this is the most important topic but then keep it a secret and never speak about it. It is a paradox and a delicate dance.