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I 'created' this 'new' meditation by combining labeling with noting gone and it appears to be very powerfull practice. Its simple: - use a formal labeling technique cycling through the different sensory channels. -spend more time in each channel (10-30 sec) and try to be aware of how every sub-sensation that composes a sensory event disappears as soon as it appers- coming from the nothing and back to the nothing. -if you can detect the vanishings in a sensory channel, stay a little more time in the said sensory channel and focus on the simultaneous arisings and vanishings. -if you cannot detect vanishing, just focus on the sensory event as you would in ordinary labeling -do not try to create the awareness of the vanishings by using mental images. if you do this you are activelly tangling your sensory channels and reducing sensory clarity. so be careful with this. that's it. please share what you think about it and how did it go for you

it will help you detect when your mind starts engaging with memories and fantasies and with time you'll be able to be aware of when it tries to manipulate your attention away from reality (which is pretty much all the time). I have found that it gets waaay more powerfull when combined with some kind of more efforting meditation, such as mindfulness labeling, cause those help you build a momentum of meditation skills that plays out when you're 'doing nothing'

well, I know that fighting the spiritual ego won't help. For most part I just let it be and express and watch its shortcommings. Also trying to be very aware of when I have some theory or absolute idea I'm defending and/or trying to propagate and perpetuate them

here's shinzen young view on the topic. The guy is a freakin sage, being a monk and teaching for over 40 years. Its all there, take look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwOccTTAcVw&list=PL5B13DB6E1BEEA82E&index=7

I wanna be/ the very best/ like no one ever waaas (tan dan DAN)

@Pelin nice one

Ideologies/belief systems are costly things to mantain. They require you to lie about reality, engage in discussions, ignore things, take inappropriate action, etc, etc to be mantaneid. What's the benefit here? Why do we do this? For us to accept all this costs there must be some (big) benefit to mantaining them, at least a perceived or ilusory one. Any perspective on the matter is appreciated.

shinzenpaedia, the meditation geek go-to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwOccTTAcVw&list=PL5B13DB6E1BEEA82E&index=7

I'm just really confused with this concept cause while guys like sadhguru talk about a experience beyond space and time others like rupert spira and jeff forster talk about a simple recognition. You know, a simple recognition is that, simple. Easy to manage and live. As opposed to some extraordinary experince which just seems to me like creating needs.

@Grasshopper thats a great point. like shinzen puts it 'subtle is significant'

it means integrating into your system the parts of you you have a taboo against, the parts of you you refuse to aknowledge because your belief system says they are unacceptable. I watched this 2 days ago. although it may seem fruity and soft it gets the job done. give it a try

well, its outside of time (and space) ins't it anyway, only once i got a taste and i interpreted it as like 3 seconds, but if i have to be honest about it there was no time 'there', there was no change

(i'm so glad this enlightenment think tank is in place. i would have almost no external feedback wasn't for it. probably end up crawling in a dark room going insane, or not)

I'm dead

if you wanna know a nice classical pointer is emptiness, as if the world had lost its substance if you can see this it can point you to awareness

@Lha Bho watch his channel, its like an enlightenment encyclopaedia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-72haqjl4o a video by shinzen young on jhanas

effective methods i've discovered so far: strong determination sitting meditations, everyday emotional triggers(they point to deeper unresolved experiences), development of being-perception, getting in contact with body and body sensations, good old lsd and shrooms. All of them have proved effective and have pros and cons. If you want some fast acting catalyst I would go for a psychedelic trip or vipassana retreat (www.dhamma.org) for the long run its better to establish a daily meditation habit, if you wanna go deep you gotta increase awareness also, its REALLY helpfull to develop a non-judgemental perception so that your habits can bubble up without resistance. Its cool cause you can train this inside ordinary life, with other people and places

I see your point @Ivansmarks. well done bro. maybe now you can deal with that anxiety at last. shinzen puts it brilliantly in this video (as always) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvcGvR_gnBE

@jes ;D

@jes yeah got it for me i imagine i'm opening a black hole leading nowhere and let my thoughts drown there

@jes what do you mean, like in a visualization?