Martin123

No, Patriarchal conditioning does not equate with fatherhood. Patriarchal conditioning equates with the state of consciousness on this planet. Its a movement away from the divine of the feminine, and its further suppression. Also patriarchal conditioning does not mean 'masculine energy', masculine energy is what allows inspiration to be translated into action, what allows boundaries to exist so the feminine energy within all can be safely expressed. The divine masculine is very much important and necessary, but the divine masculine will only arise after patriarchal conditioning is untangled. This has nothing to do with gender, but with energetics. Masculine energy is your left hemisphere, and feminine energy is the right hemisphere. It just so happens that in most individuals, the right hemisphere (feminine) is dominated by the left hemisphere (masculine), that is why imbalanced masculine energy needs to be untangled, take a break, exhaust itself and allow the divine feminine to rise to its full power, and then return as a true protector and balanced partner to the divine feminine. But the divine feminine has to lead the way, and then merge with the masculine that will be fully tempered and informed by the sensitive and intuitive guidance. That is also why abusive cycles have to end before healing can take place. Because with the end of abusive cycle, imbalanced masculine energy loses its grip over the feminine, and the feminine then over time facilitates healing, and in the end balances out and tempers the masculine into an expression of unity and equality, with both hemispheres connected and balanced.

If you wanna know your attachment style, take an attachment style quiz https://university.personaldevelopmentschool.com/pages/attachment-quiz Then you can look into your own attachment style, and fulfill the individual needs that are still waiting in your nervous system for you to untagle them. Way more reliable than a checklist!

Well in all honesty, patriarchal conditioning is what exists with the purpose of stomping and suppressing all emotional needs, the need patriarchal conditioning satisfies is the need for dominance, which is just another word for abuse. There really is no merit to it on a spiritual journey. It's only thre to be dissolved. Thank you! I love feeling appreciated it. It's one of my core wounds and needs (I come from a background of feeling unloved). I also cry when I listen to Beyonce, I just feel like that's relevant haha xD.

@Inliytened1 In all honesty what you’re talking about actually isn’t the problem. The issue is that the way you talk to me (and others) is as if you were lecturing me and I was a disobedient little child that displeased mom and dad. It’s a codependent stinky dynamic that I want nothing to do with, so thanks but no thanks.

@Lento yeah I catch your drift, it’s the same for me. I love boundaries they’re the best and well done, that’s a quite high level skill on the healing and development path, especially if you carry patterns of the patriarchal conditioning so many males are brought up in.

@Keyhole I have a question. When exactly did you become my life coach ? ? I don’t remember hiring you and almost feel kinda bad because you’re not getting paid for all the lovely work you’re doing here. Therefor, maybe best if you stopped, thanks ! Haha

@Keyhole ? great observations. I am overjoyed by your sharing. Thanks for letting me know all the things you think of me as well as the surely well thought - out diagnosis of my lack of identity, quite lovely, at least now I have some great suggestions for what to think of myself and replace the lacking identity. Maybe you’re my salvation who knows. wishing you well and sending you love.

Thanks for sharing your opinion with me, and while I am aware of the deeper energetic dynamics that are at play, and am not in any way deluded that I’d play a role in someone’s maltreatment of me, I honour your disagreement.

Thanks for the response, I’m never really sarcastic with any mean intention, I usually respond with positivity and compliments towards any abusers as those are the ones who need it the most, I understand you can perceive it as sarcasm, but it’s not the case. My criticism of Leo is just honest authentic feedback that anyone on the forum is free to have their own opinion about. I think what you’re getting at is that I’m just not codependent in my responses. Which is a wonderful thing that took years of development and healing to get through. betgr164128 Has been banned as I was informed by moderators. Apparently he was banned before. Go figure.@Keyhole abuse is always a problem that requires an action, for either the victims to remove themselves, or for someone to step in and stop the abuser from behaving in damaging ways.

Thanks so much for your attentiveness @Serotoninluv ! Much appreciated.

Oh thanks so much hahaha I liked that one too, it was a goodie!

Well the abuse did happen M,C,E,S (What a great acronym) and in the Health section I believe (also a conversation went down in serious emotional problems), but I understand your decision, thanks!

Thank you! Leo's fan club was fine for the most part, nothing abusive really, just some advice I didn't ask for (honestly a thing people do all the time, it's a giggly issue), but then there was an issue of rather serious backlash, and while I do have the emotional and psychological resources to deal with that effectively, such behaviour isn't something that should be tolerable in a spiritual community in today's day and age.

BUT THERES NOONE THERE TO GO TO THERAPY OMG! I'm joking I'm very pleased to see a post like yours. It's so lovely, yet such truth seems to be in minority on the forum. I wonder why that is, and whether that could shift in the future to make this place a more loving and compassionate community. I'd like that.

Oh but they do... they need to circle miles around this type of attitude if they are in any shape to be healed. Embracing what happened to you has nothing to do with 'leaving victim mentality', if there was a situation where you were victimized, saying 'I was not a victim' ir 'I choose to leave victim mentality' is actually a form of denial, because acceptance embraces the truth. And the truth is that in what happened, the person was victimized. Perhaps the greatest difficulties any victim has is the tendency to blame themselves for what happened. And that's what you are perpetuating. Thus, disallowing them to heal and release the trauma trapped within their nervous system. May your heart soften. no more discussion about this please. If you do have any questions, pm me, I won't respond to any more comments.

Well, I'll just pray that victims will circle miles around you, and that in the meantime your heart softens so that other hearts may be healed as a result.

Those statements can all be true, yet can cause damage when used in situations that perpetuate abuse. Imagine saying this to a victim of rape, to the survivors of family that experienced a genocide, to the children who have lost their parents, or to little girls who have been molested. Would you? If you wouldn't, don't waste your quotes in here, save them for later.

You are most welcome. Thank you for receiving it with warmth. <3

althought I will say that 'sticks and stone may break my bones, yet words will break my soul', is the correct version of the statement. The wisdom of this version is not to perpetuate verbal abuse, that is as damaging as any other abuse.

quite understandable, the least it can do is to offer perspective.

@IJB063 if you had conflicts with the user I’d encourage you to check out the post I started an hour ago in meditation section (you can find it through looking at my profile).

First of all, @Inliytened1 , Leo's on a retreat. 2nd, as a moderator I trust you have the highest good of the forum and guidelines in mind, therefore I'd welcome you to link this post to him, or bring up the issue yourself, if you do believe this needs his attention. To make it easier, I can mention Leo @Leo Gura.

@Inliytened1 It's the same thing that went down with the Trump trial. Instead of doing the right and responsible thing of voting him down with obvious criminal behaviour, abuse of power and injust treatment of others, many individuals chose to look the other way and let him stay in the presidential seat as a way of keeping themselves subconsciously safe from further abuse with a belief 'if I befriend an abuser, I will be safe from him', in this way however they were betraying all the individuals (like all of America) who are affected by his abuse, and went to the abusive side of the issue. Same thing with you. It's scary.