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It was a game before, it is a game now and it will be the game afterwards. What changes is your attitude, which isn't constant. I was there. It was quite a confusing phase. Wait till you fall in love with the game. There will still be laughs and smiles, but they will feel very different.

@Cammy I moved to a foreign country to study, several months in and my growth got supercharged. (Mostly because my meditation habit blew up as well, but being on your own in unknown environments changes you! :-) )

@NTOgen Beautiful

@Key Elements Thanks, realizing how I can relate to others is actually quite useful measuring tool. I'd say I can tell where most people are coming from and am able to understand that, sometimes though I just really don't feel like relating to them. Also I find very few people (not in this forum) who I can relate to fully, only 1 or 2 people

@Deep God stop this ego hate. Ego is fine, concepts are fine, a bit of mental masturbation is fine. When a child sees a horse and starts fantasizing about unicorns you dont go and shut it up. I am not enlightened, nor has that ever been my goal. If it is impossoble to have a theoretical discussion about "fun stuff like this", then don't bother. This topic is not for seekers. It's for wild people with fantasy.

@Kserkkj Realizing your conceptualizations is exactly what would be the threshhold of the 3d, 4D cannot be conceptualized from 3D, and everything in 4D from a 3D perspective will seem infinite (or be infinite). So "realizing true nature of the self" could mean realizing your 4dimensional nature. Ed/ not expand to the 4D. You are 4D, so realizing it.

@Deep Of course. You cannot visualize 4D inside a 3D. I am not saying that this will get you enlightened. This is just a concept. Please don't demonize concepts =D Just because they are not the raw experience doesn't mean they are not valid. ed: Not to sound rude, just an impression. Your answer sounds very brainwashed. Make sure to be a little critical of what you learn.

@Leo Gura How do you assign a stage to yourself after a lot of work? I am pretty sure I have purged most of my orange cravings, and yet I don't feel very hippie-like. When I see people I'd consider blue I have a tendency to laugh and view them compassionately. When I see people I'd consider orange, same thing. Hippie people who just scream "love is everything, just be grateful, god will save you" and don't see the real meaning behind these words just put me off. I would like to consider myself yellow but the amount of confusion whether thats my egoic need to feel superior or whether it is a genuine assessment is great.

@Lamp Gratitude becomes a by product of a certain level of conscoiusness and emotional maturity.

@Ray From a non-dual perspective forgiveness is a joke. There's noone to forgive, noone doing the forgiving and nothing to forgive. From a dual perspective - well you're not doing the forgiving thing for HIM you're doing it for yourself. If you don't forgive, you are going to be carrying the weight of that judgement around for the entirety of your life. If you do forgive, aka let go completely, you liberate yourself from the weight.

@Dodoster =DD I can't stand canon, we played it at a wedding once and the repetitivnes of the song during rehersal just fried my brain. THE ONE HIT WONDER! The father of 4 and 6chord songs! Pachabell! God bless him for creating a baseline fpr every single modern hit on the radio Hahaha. Its a good piece! :-)

@actualized1 Never had an issue with it. Although I do think in English most of the time. Is that what you meant by full mastery? Anywho, still should be fine even if you don't. Only little things could have some impact, such as - you probably wanna do self-enquiry in a language that is the most natural to you, etc.

@Christian Self-esteem is kind of tricky. You can improve your self-esteem greatly by taking massive action in your life, and that's great. BUT let's say you become a world-class pianist, and you feel great about yourself. And one day, your fingers get chopped off. And u foked. You will be back to square one, perhaps even lower. So I would suggest balancing it with taking massive action and then moving into a space of "self-esteem transcendence". Which means, your self-esteem will be based on merely being. In order to achieve this (and it's a wonderful place once you get there, trust me) several steps are needed. 1. Mindfulness meditation, daily! 2. Imagine yourself without ANYTHING you attach yourself to - like family, house, whatever you study or do, your career, hobbies. And ask yourself. Why do I need all these things to feel good about myself and to be happy? What would it look like, if happiness and good self-worth were my default state, without any of my attachments? 3. Shadow-work - that's too big of a topic to be discussed here. Good luck man! :-) edit: You could summarize this technique in a simple sentence. Maximize and build up your current paradigm, and then let go of it fully.

@Schulzy Oooh ok. Can I just ask, do you meditate daily? Because I somehow expect everyone on this forum to be a meditator =D. If you're not then you're gonna be thinking differently about this, and then it would make much more sense to me. (not that there is anything wrong with that).

@Schulzy Why would you necessarily create a separation between those 2. Spiritual purification is just an expression. You can call it "purging of emotions", "letting go of trauma", "mindfulness therapy", yada yada yada. I don't see how the purification is in conflict with science.

@Schulzy Idea. Let's say that this process changes your core value/emotion. This would naturally happen in the process of "spiritual purification" right? Now the difference would be, that spiritual purification would work in a much more holistic way. It would get rid of all the little neuroses and emotional baggage, and slowly it would dig its way into the core value. With the "click", you skip the "letting go of the baggage" part, and change the core value, without releasing the rest. So yes, that can be super nice, on the other hand, "less than" the purification process.

@Azrael Holy shit man that sounds freaky and awesome! May I ask how long has been your meditation practice? Im curious if this stuff's in store for me <3 I've been in it for a little over year and the stuff I experience, not especially during meditation, but rather during the day as a part of purification include animal like behaviour, lost control over my body (unless I pump up resistance), urge to vomit.

@Beyond Words Not to be nittygritty here... but u just leaked a content one of his paid products. I for example have not yet purchased the Book list. =DD ed: If a moderator delets the post delete this as well plix.

Well we can play with words all we want, language is limiting. Very. The evolution though is happening to "matter", "world of form", consciousness is untouched. That is the frame I am coming from. Why would you assume there needs to be a mechanism that "allows matter to evolve" ? Aka, you are separating logic from matter, logic belongs to the mind, mind belongs to the world of form, mind doesn't equal consciousness.

You don't make consciousness evolve from one thing to another, consciousness is all what is. Consciousness is the evolving. Consciousness is superior to logic. There's nothing that's "making consciousness do stuff".

@wavydude I said I like Athene. I said I don't like how he does things. Your points don't make sense. It doesn't matter whether he is or isn't aware of his arrogance. I don't get to chat with him irl, neither I feel the urge. The way he expresses his ideas, however noble, doesn't vibe with me. Does that mean what he's doing is bad or wrong or pointless? No there is a lot of value, he is making a contribution, he raised money for dem childs in Africa, he's a great dude.

I got to a point where I am able to quit coping. most of the time im in flow state.

Hey there. This is going to be my self-actualization journal. I do not know what my posts will look like, sometimes perhaps random rants, sometimes structure, whatever comes. Background - before meditation a emotional awareness. 1995 - 2015 - damn was that a messed up and stupid household that I grew up in =D. Summer 2015 - up until that point, very low self-esteem. Depression, anxiety, codependency, low self-worth. No purpose. Inability to relate to others. No passion, or joy. Suicidal thoughts - never attempted. Fall 2015 - found actualized.org (Why am I depressed video I believe) - started meditation habit, Created vision, and got myself a reason to get out of bed. With my visions I literally created a fantasy land for my future self, which helped me to continue on with living. March 2016 - clear sense of purpose, daily meditation, sent out applications to universities in the UK, good social life, better sex-life. End of March 2016 - I literally started hearing voices in my head going "You're worthless". - first thoughts - Schizophrenia, hearing voices, I have gone insane After a while, I just realized it was my negative self-talk conflicted with my affirmations of "how wonderful I am". - started going to therapy - fixed the voices issue, but oh man, was that not the end Spiritual purification beginns - april/may 2016 - the pendulum of emotions swinging from: Sadness Despair Joy Laughter Depression Anger Fear Intense Anxiety Suicidal thoughts Peace Depersonalizations - a fucking lot =D Loads of crying As well as amazing feelings of emotional release. It was a frikin rollercoaster - during this period I tried to stay rather at home, not doing much, meditating, contemplating September 2016 - Spiritual purification far from over - Moving to Dundee to study in a university - at first socialize with lots of people, then just spend days in my dormroom releasing past trauma. Honestly It was not possible for me to socialize during periods of emotional distress. - End of November 2016 - enlightenment experience during SDS - purification tamed - I can relate to others now in a much healthier way I still go through periods of sadness and depression, but I have this sense of getting deeper and closer to my core self, which is nice. The only problem here: Exam stress - Trying to put together emotional catharsis and the demands of my university.

@Aamir King Just look at Leo's interview with Martin Ball. He is really not a religious person. Same with Eckhart Tolle, Sadghuru, etc. They're not religious, they just have a different way of conveying the "Truth". The core of every religion is "Truth". Therefore they speak in its language because it is the most convenient way to communicate it.

I had a deep realization yesterday of the illusory nature of time. I heard Allan Watts talk about it before "Time is a social institution" -here I have been able to understand it on a logical level. But yesterday I had a deep realization in myself. I never really realized how much of a "time slaves" we are, up until this point. It literally runs our whole day, it is as if an invisible clock was ever so urgently ticking. Tick-tock: Your death is approaching Tick-tock: You need to achieve your goals Tick-tock: Day is getting shorter Tick-tock: Sleep-time gonna be here soon Tick-tock: Your body is getting older and weaker ... And this is a complete illusion. There is no time at all. Not that time is relative or anything like that. It just simply isn't in existence. It is a totally human made-up phenomena. I realized that everything is just happening in an infinitely deep present moment, and this really added a lot of peace into my sense of reality. Reality is deep, infinitely deep, and this depth is in everything. In me, in you, in the keyboard I am typing on, in the screen I am looking into. There is only depth that has the capacity to absorb everything. COOL! <3