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@Visionary Dude I have the exactly opposite experience with that. Appreciate your advice but, no thanks =D. THats not how it works for me.

@Leo Gura I find this post amazing however found it just now. Perhaps pin this?

@Wormon Blatburm I can never control it. Thats strange. It is as if I was being purged by fire (fire being kindalini). It has a will of its own, all i can influence it with is breathing meditation and exercise. Oh and water (shower/drink)

@blazed Oh man nevermind then.

@blazed Does a flower lack before it grows?

@blazed 1. Love is infinite, you can always grow in that respect. 2. Never talked about life on eart. Don't limit your imagination.

@blazed It is as of now, but saying it is necessarily part of every life... now that is a waste of our imagination. What if there is a possibility of growth without pain and suffering? ` Ofc not tlaking about human life as we know it.

@blazed Dude I aint enlightened but I really don't think that it causes the absence of pain my dude.

If you take the infinity's perspective nothing means shit. If you don't... well shit means shit.

@John Flores oh btw whenever I see this theme in a movie or Anime I can never figure out whether they're creating a metaphor for enlightenment or your shadow-self. However that can be just a 2-step process towards Truth.

@John Flores It would make sense that humanity's purpose is to move into more bliss and less suffering. Everyone is trying to achieve this in one way or another. Me and you just have "superrior" knowledge on this matter. Btw yo dude where do you ger all your info on angels n stuff? Im kinda curios about those since I am from a halfassed spiritual background.

@John Flores I disagree with your methodology and language. Saying "my ego" means ego is saying my ego. How did you conclude that purpose of humanity is enlightenment?

@John Flores There is no ego yet we speak of one. Yes it is an illusion, yes it is a dream, but yes we can attach language to the illusion. After all even the language is an illusion isn't it :o!

@John Flores Well Isn't it just a matter of unfortunate language? How about sinking your ego into infinity? That is much more godlike :o).

Hi! I have always had this intuitive feeling about enlightenment that I think isn't emphasized enough. Many people here have basic issues with self-acceptance, self-esteem, self-worth etc. In other words, they have extremely fragile egos. A fragile ego is usually (VERY VERY usually, in extreme scenarios as one that Eckhart Tolle went through it can happen, so there are of course exceptions) impossible to let go of. Why is that? To answer I will paint you a metaphor for an unhealthy vs. healthy ego. Unhealthy ego - imagine it as it a sphere being covered with glue. It rolls through life and gets attached to various things, beliefs, ideologies, and people. You let go of one part, but because it has an extremely sticky surface, it immediately replaces one attachment with another one. Not only that, but letting go and detaching yourself will feel infinitely more painful. Healthy ego - imagine it as a solid heavy sphere ROLLING itself through life. Busting through obstacles, and attaching itself to things it chooses to, but only temporarily, without changing the core (sphere). Now it can often times roll against the current of life, that however is another story =D. What happens when unhealthy ego reaches certain levels of detachment? Well it isn't impossible, but it won't be nice. And there will be things like depersonalization disorder, or other kinds of neurotic outbursts. I have heard a dude texting me, asking for advice saying things like "Yeah I do self-enquiry and pursue enlightenment and realize its all love but I am so neurotic and I envy.. etc. etc." (basically Self-esteem issues). I was horrified hearing about that. This dude just neglected his neurotic ego. That is very dangerous, and unnecessarily painful! You need to first develop your ego into a state where you are ready to let go of it. THIS IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO PREPARE GROUND FOR ENLIGHTENMENT What would that mean? Simply, healing your neuroses, emotional body, trauma, etc. How? Therapy, some deep self-help and contemplation, shadow-work, etc. (Prior to this some self-acceptance and self-love exercises are always a great idea). This NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED MORE I FEEL. That is my take on it. Suggestion to either pin this post or somehow create more awareness about this to @Leo Gura. Have a good week! Happy 2017! :-) side question: I have never done self-enquiry yet. (not an serious sessions anywho) To those of you who have. Is there a therapeutic component to it? Or is it pure enlightenment seeking exercise?

@electroBeam Also. Psychopath, narcissist or a sociopath thinks very differently of others than a regular person. He lietrally sees everyone else as an extension of themselves. He doesn't care like... at all. It is the attitude of "you are here for me and me only, I am the centre of everything, you are wrong in all matters, I am right for I am the only Truth." Enlightenment is precieslty, the absolute opposite of that.

@electroBeam to clarify, this comes from Carl Rogers, and again since that is counseling and therapeutic context - makes a lot of sense. (Can't really be a good therapist when you cry with your client... lol)

@electroBeam Empathy is very misunderstood and has various definitions Empathy is an ability to imagine as if you were in someone else's shoes, without losing the "as if" quality. Now this definition makes a lot of sense, and enlightened person will posses this quality more than anyone else. After all, does it really help anyone if you cry when they cry.

@rush It depends on what you expect from meditation. I focus on therapeutic effects of meditation, and that is what I get from it. I got a few slight tastes of nonduality and acceptance but I see that only as icing on the cake. Through meditation you pump up your mindfulness skills, you become more present. If there is anything to track progress by, this would be it. Look for them outside of meditation though, not during sessions.

@SBB4746 Interesting. Thank you. For me it is strange to relate to this kind of evolution. Enlightenment has never been the thing I have been after even though I have already gone through intense purification. I am slowly starting to think that the post is irelevant. However there are some that keep themselves in delusions longer that it is needed simply due to lack of self-honesty. But as it seems the post is ineffective for those anywho... Oh well... I literally created it to kill some time before a lecture. It was much more fun than I expected hehe.

Hence spirituality as an escape as I mentioned before.

@Dodoster Oh u so caring I love it So first you try to explain to me what enlightenment is then you explain to me what it isn't and now you so kind that you want me to get rid of my judgmentality. EVENTHOUGH I did not ask for help! Now that is true kindness <3.

@Dodoster ANd why the fuck do you want everyone to define enlightenment holy moly. We're on actualized.org I think all of us mean the motherfucking same thing when they say enlightenment. Now ofc. it not something imaginable so that is where we can differ but seriously. STOP! You're crazy man!

@Dodoster You contradict yourself in so many ways. Just stop pls. Its not like it helps anyone. I just pointed out to you that youre attached to your preaching. Take it or leave it. No need to be constantly in reaction.

@Wormon Blatburm Seek god, not preach, attach yourself to, or imagine god.