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@DrewNows Hi Drew, thanks for the input and sharing. Yes I believe I have seen this particular video from the 'Moo-man'. I have also witnessed the controversy of numerous allegations of sexual-misconduct and cult-like behaviour from the Moo-man. While Mooji certainly seems to have some form of wisdom, it is absolutely essential for all the ones who have felt oppressed by his spiritual supremacy to 'Moo' back at him to no longer tolerate cycles of victimization.

@Nahm Thank you for sharing your viewpoint and feelings with me. I understand. If you do feel accused, please tell me more about how you feel in PMs.

Okay that's enough right here. Again, if you wish to discuss anything and have a responsible conversation, I will welcome any message, but I will not be dragged into an argument while being accused of projection as a way of devaluing anything you disagree with. The ruling stands, what you're suggesting is potentially dangerous and I strongly advise you to re-evaluate your position, but that is about everything I can do. Wishing you all the best as always, and I'd even encourage you to drop me a message to prevent any misunderstandings on this forum that poison threads where there are sensitive and impressionable individuals who are in need of oh so much of support and help. Thank you.

@Nahm The clarity that arises is pretty simple. What you're suggesting is a form of spiritual elitism that ultimately devalues the ones who are in the midst of their healing journeys seeing self-realization as some sort of a promise of a relief, while being deceived by those who only use it as a form of spiritual escapism. Your attitude, with all due respect, isn't too far from what leads to allegations of sexual misconducts against spiritual Gurus who promise an all-encompassing relief in the form of transcendence. You cannot transcend suffering, you can only awaken to endure the suffering that acts as a divine agent of alchemy and transformation. Anything else is a rather harmful form of escapism that ultimately doesn't serve anyone, only delays one's evolution. It is fine to speak about self-realization when self-realization is the topic. But it has nothing to do with emotional integration and evolution, and the placement of such advice in these areas is rather dangerous, because the individuals on the path of emotional transformation (and while that is ultimately all of us) tend to be in very vulnerable and impressionable positions and states. Spiritual oppression, it is a patriarchal attitude leaking into the vulnerability of spiritual evolution. Not good @Nahm, truly, and I say this with love and respect, but absolute firmness and clarity. Not good at all.

@Nahm please don’t. Attachment is an energetic wiring ingrained And layered in your nervous system since babyhood. Every enlightened being still has an attachment style in the form of cellular memories and core wounds that are very much real and cannot be bypassed or reduced to a story. The dream board you suggest will mostly consist of things you wish to have and acccess as a way of contradicting the attachment trauma you’ve experienced in early childhood. Just don’t... this is getting unhelpful, and it’s breaking my heart a little bit.

Finally someone noticed. Phew. I've been thinking that Sindria has lost its greatness in the world after being unrecognized for so long. Btw: Sinbad had totally an insecure attachment, his childhood was a wreck.

Of course. What’s beautiful about honesty is that you can really lead with example. I am not suggesting not to have standards, but to point out that asking questions as it has been the trend in this threat (like what is your purpose or what do you want in life), are usually more revealing about the one who’s asking the question and not about the one who is being asked. it would actually be much more honest to share with a partner “you know purpose in life is something that is really important to me.” Rather then asking them about it. what they will do with this information is completely up to them and this is the reason why this is the scarier option. They could literally not take in what you said and never support you in your LP endeavours, or they could hear it deeply and support your passion as a way of showing how much you mean to them. With the question, there might be a tendency to avoid yourself. With a statement about oneself, individuality and deeper intimacy are discovered.

This is all just a misunderstanding. Saying that having sex is having sex in yourself would suggest that the will of the universe is the same as the will of a person. It is true that a person is inseparable from the universe, just like a branch is inseparable from the tree-trunk, yet both the branch and the trunk while made of the same wood have different qualities and roles to play. The same is the difference between a personal experience and a universe. Your personal experience may seem limited to the boundless expansive nature of the universe, yet it is precisely because the universe is inexplicably infinite, it can only experience itself through the individuality of personal experience, and personal experience is unique to each and every person. Therefore sexuality has really nothing to do with 'having sex with oneself', that;s a rather shame and guilt-inspiring idea that has nothing to do with the nature of non-duality. Sacred Sexuality is the exploration of merging with different aspects of divinity (other people) as a way of merging into the new horizons of potential that reside in the infinite field of consciousness. It is an interpersonal relationship, not any type of an enmeshed incest. We are all one with consciousness, yet we can only have an individual experience of that one consciousness, as all aspects o infinity can be experienced only one at a time.

This is to all the boys and guys who've had a difficult relationship with their mom.

If a partnership is really worth it, it will force you to set aside all your questions just as a way of exploring love and commitment towards another heart. In that way, a partner won't be conditioned by a set of questions, but it will be a space of the relationship where you both will be able to find answers. If you're asking partner questions, while it is good to have boundaries, such questions often tell the story of: These are the things I define myself and my self-worth by, and if you don't match my demands, it will make me feel bad about myself and I will grow to resent you for the feelings I am too afraid to face."... It's not very romantic. Imagine saying to your partner: I wanna be with you and love you, but I also wanna keep my judgments that will limit you to be the way I want you to be because I am afraid of letting go. If you wouldn't say this to your partner, maybe don't ask such questions as they ultimately mean the same thing. So what's the most important question to ask then? Personally, I like this one.. How was your day today honey? <3

@electroBeam Connection builds intimacy and intimacy is an aspect of the divine feminine energy. Your ego is not tricking you it is merely protesting towards energies and situations within which it hasn’t been able to realise it’s safe enough to be okay and let go. Just as there is a need to build emotional connection with ourselves through self love, creativity and self-expression, the same importance is then necessary to be honoured in social aspects as a way of deepening the emotional healing that takes place within. Every time you connect with another person a part of you is healed. This healing wouldn’t be possible without the connection with another as the majority of wounds we have suffered in our early childhood has been relational in the contexts of our families and early communities (fancy words for parents). It’s okay not to be comfortable in social situations and take your time. It’s even okay if there are judgements against them and it’s even okay if you are too afraid to connect. But the evolution lies within the question of “will you let this fear stop you from going forward and progressing in your path?” and I know it won’t, that’s just not the type of the person you are. The person that is eager to evolve and grow. Even if you take your time, it’s guaranteed that you will grow through this. Good luck.

I have found this quote beautifully touching, and how deeply it reminds me of this thread.

Due to some deep healing and grief process I have been experiencing, I felt inspired to share something very important about relationships. The importance of letting go. Letting go in a relationship is an act of love and surrender, that counter-intuitively can be done only with the intention of commitment. Letting go in a relationship promotes commitment for the reason that the only thing you can ever let go of, are your expectations of your partner. If we are committed without letting go we are insisting on our partner to be the way we want them to be, which is a role that they cannot fulfill as the only thing they can authentically do is to be themselves. Similarly, if the notion of letting go is divorced from personal commitment, it will be only an act of avoidance and denial dressed up as an insight - as if we were saying 'I am letting go.', while masking the true intention and sending a message to a partner saying 'You are too much for me.' Letting go, when done properly, can either lead to intimacy and interpersonal connection that is beyond any manufactured roles we play in relationships, as well as to an ending of the relationship, if that is the barrier that is blocking the emotional freedom of both partners. There cannot be true intimate commitment without the willingness to follow through with the possible ending of a relationship. That is for the reason that when you are committed, the relationship isn't actually what is the goal of your commitment. The goal of your commitment is the well-being of both partners, be it in a relationship or outside of the relationship. Every time you let go, there is an ending of the old roles, and the entering of the new. You can never know whether the new will include a relationship between the two or not, and in fact it will always feel like you are saying goodbye for good. That is why letting go is a beautiful act of faith and courage. The words that describe the beauty of letting go can be said in a mantra I love you, and that is why I am letting you go. I love you is the declaration of the commitment to the wellbeing of your partner, and the letting go is the refusal to force them into a mold of an old role that was manufactured by your own ideas of what you want your partner to be. And we all do this. We all want our partner to be a certain way. We manufacture a character when we are growing up, based on all the unfulfilled emotional needs we experience growing up, we imagine (consciously or subconsciously), what we want our partner to be. In this way, we are more looking for a new parent, rather than an equal partner. We imagine what they are going to do, how they are going to make us feel, what they will never do to us, and how deeply understood we will feel by them. While there is ultimately not much wrong with such a fantasy, we are bound to experience partners that will disappoint this imagined ideal of a relationship just so we can experience the beauty of letting go and feel the true depth of a conscious inter-dependent relationship, that starts within us. Yes, letting go may lead to an ending, but the relationship within your heart will only grow stronger, with more love, more compassion and more fulfillment than any fantasy-partner could have ever convinced you of having.

@Nahm Sorry I dont know what 'Fryer's Club' is, even google didn't give me answers.

I love music so much that it makes me cry tears of gratitude. I realize that this forum is certainly not religious, and I am certainly not a religious person either, as in fact I have carried within myself the archetypal memories of patriarchal and religious oppression, and therefor found religion somewhat triggering. But this song no matter whether under the umbrella of religion or not, has brought tears to my eyes, as the joy and love expressed through the words are an equal expression of god, as is any expression of liberated consciousness.

@Anna1 It really is

I feel joy and gratitude for having the opportunity to share this song and this artist

@electroBeam Thanks for the response. Again let's not make this into a debate club, I appreciate the engagement but these things aren't really as much about understanding as about feeling the truth within your heart, which I understand is not as common on this forum Leo is a very conceptually oriented person so I really get it. I will address though that the notion of unconditional love includes the unconditional love for yourself, and that includes all your human desires including romance and sexuality, and a desire to create a harmonious and equal partnership. An enlightened being leads by example, and creates a harmonious relationship with a partner who is up to it, as an example of harmony for others to aspire for. You see the difference between expectation and congruence is the fact that when we have expectations, we tend to ask people to do for us, or give to us something they aren't equipped for. Its not that our desires and needs for relationships are bad or wrong, its that we need to find a partner that can actually meet us where we need to be met, and as always that journey starts within, to create greater emotional connection with yourself. It is just so that we live on a planet where our only hopes of finding such partner is by first and foremost becoming that partner onto ourselves. But really let's just do the work, the work that is frustrating and painful beyond belief. Or at least not waste time debating all this If there is anything you would like help with, I would be happy to, but I will not debate. Sorry.

@Serotoninluv Well thank you fort that comprehensive post, but I don't find myself having a desire to engage in any conceptualizations of this nature. I find that the time we spend debating mental constructs is a time that we could spend feeling our feelings. I understand that you're someone who has a lot to say, and I honor that, but let's just not continue these discussions. I value the healing journey of me, you and everyone else way too much for that. Nothing I posted here is meant to be conceptualized, its value is only in whatever feelings are inspired by that post.

@electroBeam Also to spice it up this will allow you to address the question of 'not needing anything from women'. While it is ultimately not about that, the reason why we tend to fall prey to objectifying women and seeing them as means to an end and wanting to get something out of them is for the most part due to the fact that the feminine energy within us is repressed greatly. Creativity and artistic expression is what resurrects the divine feminine within everyone, men and women alike.

There's nothing wrong with that. That's just means that the relationship has ran its course and at this point in time it will be best for the two of you to not spend time together. Commitment to the wellbeing of someone doesn't mean being around them or with them at all. If what's needed is space from one another, that is wonderful and needed as well. The reason why this contemplation doesn't work is because it only promotes disempowerement and self-denial, which aren't qualities that are aligned with consciousness. Its not about 'not needing relationships', but more about being honest with what we emotionally need and desire, and staying true to that. What you actually did when you broke up with your girlfriend is that you ended a cycle of self-denial - 'This is not what I want, I will stay true to what I want, even if that means change and discomfort.' And to your previous post regarding committed partnership and 'being in a relationship with all of humanity', that is just a big misunderstanding. It is not about being all things to all people. Jesus was not codependent. If he was, he would have been in a relationship with everyone he ever healed. But thats not unconditional love, that's just an idea that disempowerment manifactures to keep itself in its self-defeating cycle. Jesus was authentic and true to himself, not a people-pleaser. What I would recommend to you (because I can feel what's happening, and I can sense that you've been contemplating for a long time, and it feels like its leaving you a little frustrated), to set-aside contemplation and enquiry for now, and replace it with a creative passion. Contemplation has gotten you this far, but the parts of you that have been denied expression and room to breathe need a tool and a space to express themselves. This can be something simple like playing an instrument, singing, creative writing, or even just writing out your feelings. You need to create new pathways that allow for more of a emotional and artistic expression in order to move forward.

Both. Sometimes the moment ends and you find yourself in the presence of the person once more, and sometimes you part ways. Ultimately we part ways with everyone in some shape or form just so we can rediscover that everyone we've ever loved or been loved by lives in our heart, which is the essence of emotional oneness. It is a strange experience to have parted ways with friends I don't talk to anymore, and yet feel close to them just as much as I used to when we were in very frequent contact. There is no regret nor disappointment regarding the experience, just love and gratitude. I appreciate that question, however you are in the domain of trying to think it through and figure out. There is ultimately nothing wrong with thinking, but the belief is that if I can think this through enough, and know how this works, and understand the cycle of disappointment and sadness and whatever, I will be more prepared to feel the sadness within me and it won't hurt as much. Well that ain't gonna work :D. Sorry. Tragedy will always feel tragic, sadness will always feel sad and desperation will always feel desperate. There certainly are ways to take edge off the experience, such as enhancing self love, compassion and self-care, but there truly is no benefit in the anticipation of sadness. One of the benefits of any negative emotions is how sometimes surprising and inexplicable it can be. If it were all anticipated and predicted, we would be robbed of the joy of spontaneity that is bound to be born in the reality of every awakened heart. Is there a sadness and bliss theme? Yes, of course. It is very spontaneous.

Mmm I think this one rises to the opportunity quite well. The correlation with my post and this video is the more we embrace the light within us as the primary source of fulfillment (which sounds boring to any amount of ego inside of you, trust me I know haha :D... who cares about the supreme light of existence adoring me and giving me all that I need, I want that one girl to be obsessed with me), the less we will insist of others to play the roles that fulfill us, and create more harmony in relationships. Soul contract is an agreement on a soul level between individuals primarily focused on the type of healing they will initiate within each other. Meaning some people are in a soul contract to trigger sadness and disappointment within you, and others to trigger a remembrance of joy and ecstasy. Both are equally as important.

@Etherial Cat That is a great idea. There is a healing energy contained in the words that I wrote, and so every time you re-read it, it becomes more anchored in your nervous system.

I was going to respond but I would appreciate if this debate didn't get dragged into this topic, thank you, and thanks for posting I appreciate it, as well as bumping this thread up :). The more views the better for all of us. Thank you! Sounds like a very peaceful way of resolving soul contracts. Wishing you good luck and harmony in your relationship!