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@remember you seem to struggle to understand the meaning of the words ‘no’ and ‘bye’, this is my last response before I move you in ignore list.

@remember you were trying to help? Oh. No thank you xD. ?? bye

@remember I’m so sorry but you are not making any sense. My hunch is that you felt triggered by the things I said and felt like it was the right thing to do to take it out on me. In this case I’d like to inform you that it is not, it’s not really okay to take out your triggers on anyone, but I can only speak for myself what I will and will not tolerate so that’s that. Have a good day and if you wish to engage with me please do so in a more respectful fashion, otherwise you will be ignored.

What’s your point ?

Hey! the only reason I said that is because it feels nice to receive an apology from someone who mistreated you because it validates your feelings, and such treatment is what everyone on the forum deserves. Honestly your comment feels more like an angry lashing out than an honest feedback and I can’t say I’m thrilled to be on the receiving end of it. Nevertheless I wish you well, may you find happiness.

@zeroISinfinity Thanks! This phrase should become more popular on the forum. Everyone would start feeling wayy better.

@zeroISinfinity gosh get a hint and leave me alone Haha, I am trying to be as discrete as possible but I am not interested in your help. I appreciate you because of how sensitive you are, and I deeply empathize and harbor compassion because that's what you deserve, but I do not desire such interaction one bit. @Preety_India Same thing. I don't really understand where you've gathered the enthusiasm and will that you have something to teach me, give me advice or improve about me in any way, it is not wanted, and not welcomed, thank you.

Thank you for filling up the position of my life coach and spiritual teacher, sadly your services are no longer required and you are being let go of. May you find a better suited employer, goodbye.

That's a quite exhausting description of how you disagree with me. I am honored that you've taken your time to respond to my expression, and am sure it has touched you as deeply as your words have touched me.

Maybe taking things personally is normal when a person is talking to another person. It becomes impersonal only when one of them becomes deluded that they are something other than a person, above a person. Beyond a person. God isn't beyond a person, god is all inclusive, not anything above or beyond. I am not too attached to anyone. I am attached the exact amount to facilitate within me the grieving process to undergo the transformation that I have been waiting to experience since the moment I opened my eyes in this incarnation. Hahaha This made me laugh so much xD. How dare I... how dare I point out some rather insensitive and abrasive tendencies stemming from arrogance and entitlement, what an abuser am I. Ahaha Thank you for that dear India. That was prescious.

@zeroISinfinity thanks for the offer, I don't speak delusion though. You're talking a different language.

I would honestly like to see the last time Leo posted on this forum and said something different than 'you are unawakened', 'you don't get it', 'you're a fool', and other rather arrogant and derogatory statements that reek of spiritual ego much more than anything an enlightened being would choose to convey to other beings. Given how Leo Gura proclaims himself to be 'mega enlightened', the state of his conduct towards the individuals who are literally helping him make his livelihood through his business, is rather appalling. If there is a litmus test of how deep spiritual awakening has gone, it can be often best recognized through how the teacher talks to and treats other people. I am not impressed. Given how deeply I used to look up to Leo and be inspired by him at the beginning of my journey five years ago, I must say that I am flooded with sadness and disappointment when sensing the path and attitude Leo has adapted towards his own growth and towards others. It is heartbreaking.

The big deal is that you issued a warning to someone who is in a minority, was expressing a legitimate concern and opinion, and instead of fair conversation he was met with dismissal, and was called a 'high-school student', which isn't very far from 'sheep', and then was issued a warning by the 'elite running this forum' (moderator), who obviously weren't resonating with his message, with the reason being 'making it too personal', and then switching and justifying it to 'namecalling', so which one is it then? Is he making it too personal, or is he namecalling? I am getting a little lost in your narrative here. btw neither of the reasons make sense, of course if someone is backed into a corner by the ones who disagree with him will not express themselves in to most 'loving and copassionate language', but neither was his treatment. His tone wasn't hostile at all, he was just legit concerned, he even gave credit to Leo. And you give him a warning? I am stunned I mean... holy molly this is some next level logic here you guys.

Moreover, people here say much harsher things, in all kinds of contexts and topics. And they get by without a warning... Isn't that a little suspicious mister moderator, I wonder... mhhm... Isn't that a rather clever way to defend the status quo that someone challenges. Isn't that just another way to dismiss the unique viewpoint of another individual. Gosh.. I wish there was a word for that... what is that... oh I know, how about Patriarchal conditioning. How devoted does one have to be to follow this type of patterning in the name of spiritual progress, justify exclusion and perpetuate denial, avoidance and dismissiveness... Was saying that people are 'sh*ep' really that far off? And am I asking for a warning with this (I bleeped out the 'e', just to be safe wink)? Those are the questions that I do not have answers to... PS: Leo also call people 'highschool students' to demonstrate how little they know, which is rather derogatory

Doesn't Leo call People 'fools' on a pretty regular basis?

Are you serious? This is just sad. stop bullying people who disagree with what the trend is here Jesus. Of course it is personal. Everything about consciousness is infinitely personal.

@Mongu9719 I just wanna back up the guy over here so he doesn’t feel alone. A lot of the times when people raise general concerns that go against the culture of the forum they get dismissed, and treated in rather harsh and unfair ways, often being ridiculed or accused of having projections. This is such a cult lol You’re right Mongu your concerns are legit, and valid, and you’re making some great points that are falling on deaf ears.

I think I’ll take the liberty of criticising nazism before giving it a go. Seems like a better way. What a horrible advice Jesus :D.

Woah. I mean I know Pluto isn’t even a planet but you sound lazy as hell lol.

well it sounds like something you really wanna believe. Whether it’s true or not seems kind of irrelevant, but thanks for sharing. It sounds important to you and I respect your passion.

@Inliytened1 sorry I seem to have not expressed myself clearly. I’m certainly not rationalising anything. I just meant to point out the intimacy of mystical experiences, and how personal that is to each individual. In essence it is our egos that perceive and live out the reality of awakening. They then build a relationship with the experience according to how our egos are wired. there is only one thing indeed. That one thing will be perceived from infinite viewpoints, each unique and each different.

Ik I noticed and I also told you. I wouldn’t recommend that ??‍♀️??‍♀️ But your choices are your own ?? May they be embraced with mindfulness and gratitude. Sending healing energy to your body. It feels contracted, may you find relief in that overworked sacral chakra of yours.

Hi @Inliytened1 ! Saying that it is beyond human comprehension is just another way to deny the fact that every mystical, transcendetal and non-dual experience will be perceived by a human. Even the realization to know yourself beyond a person will still be personal to you. It's the most trans-personal experiences that often feel the most personal, funny haha :D. I have had experiences of travelling to different realms, being swallowed whole by the light, having conversations with god, spirit guides, my soul's potential. None of it felt quite right until I was able to take all that and bring it back to the body. Human comprehension is god's comprehension. It's precisely after you surrender to the reality of your transpersonal experiences that you get the full permission to be fully human. The sad truth about it is that most people in the non-dual and spiritual field have no desire to be human. They wanna be beyond, transcendent, ungrounded, 'free of samsara' and whatnot. How unhappy do we internally have to be to motivate such a strong desire to escape form.

Sorry Leo you keep adding things to your post it's a little confusing. I think the phrase 'I am god' has a merit as a way of allowing a seeker to finally admit their innate oneness with the divine and giving them a break from thinking themselves to be anything else or separate from the juicy goodness of all of existence. The flipside of this is saying 'I am God' as a way of perpetuating separation and division. It just depends on the approach you take. Does the phrase 'I am god' bring more relaxation and sense of connection to be felt in your body, or does it build up more tension within your mind and less attention in the body...

That would be a rather unproductive way to spend my day. I think what you are referring to is the existential high and the relief of being completely free and boundless, which is a common occurrence on psychedelic trips. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but it’s kinda impossible to function like that.. The reason for that is that no one is supposed to function in that state. That’s why we have bodies that we inhabit. Not to be boundless, expansive and free. That’s what you were before you had a body. It wouldn’t make sense for god to incarnate into a body just so it can go back into its completely boundless inifinitness. God is rather excited about being in a human body. It’s the tragedy of human conditioning that wants to be boundless as a way of escaping what they originally signed up for upon incarnation. Strangely enough, lasting and relieving boundlessness can then be felt fully while being completely grounded, and living out the joy of your every day life. It’s a paradox. Its not really a state of enlightenment before you can take it back to the body, simply because it is motivated by a desire to move away from the dense feelings within the body. It’s an act of avoidance, over-use of the upper chakras and frying your 3rd eye and crown open, simply because safety to be fully embodied has not yet been found.