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@Inliytened1 Someone who's asking for 'mass banning' is not in a state where they can give compassionate and reasonable answers to anyone, it's an inflamed state of ego-structure that gets reformed through periods of time spent in isolation and self-reflectino. That is one of the reasons why prisons exist, so individuals who exhibit a similar pattern of criminal activity can incubate in their conditioning without further harming others. It isn't about the thruthfulness about his statements, rather about the insensitve and abusive tonality he is expressing on the forum, and the fact that you do not recognize such patterning is merely a reflection of the fact that you've been desensitized to this type of behavior, that is so obvious to so many others. It's almost as if you were betraying many people on the forum by allowing this to continue. It's rather difficult to overlook.

Oh boy, I don't wanna flex but I don't believe I would fall into the category of what you would call 'a materialist', and no, he's not right, spiritual insights cannot replace relational and societal responsibility towards other people. We are all one eternal soul, and can show each other respect through being cautious with hygiene and illness prevention. Last time a gentleman called people 'sheep' he received a warning. This time you're showing a full support to someone who is calling for 'mass banning on the forum' as a result of debates about coronavirus. How very inconsistent of you mr. Moderator. I see, so only the people who don't agree with your belief system get a warning. I see how it is... what an interesting game you are playing.

In all honesty, with your type of attitude if you got it (not that I'd want you to), you'd be likely to infect a great amount of people and then just sit on your butt protesting how it doesn't exist while showing all the symptoms. That's fucking dangerous bruh, I'd be rather careful with that. I believe I called this avoidance in another thread, I see that Carl Jung isn't the only thing you're avoidant of.

First of all, I believe you should read the title of this section of the forum, it includes the word serious, and Within its description a number of issues that are all considered therapy appropriate. So your attempt to out me as a way of hiding behind a false superiority in a forum that deals with spirituality, although misguided and brutally inaccurate, is in and of itself just a plain falsehood. Second of all, thanks for sharing your opinion about my expression, however your hostile attitude is letting me know that this debate isn’t productive at all, and so thanks for the exchange, it was greatly appreciated and I am moving on.

What a wonderful way to re-frame victim blaming, you're quite skilled with words, well done. Did you just call Carl Jung a crack pot? Oh boy That's an interesting judgement you got there. Nicely done, thanks for being so passionate about such subject matter. I am sure there are many more judgments you share with others with equal passion. How intriguing.

And that would be an example of the avoidance, thanks for a skillful demonstration.

@LfcCharlie4 what’s your enneagram type? I’m a 2w3 integrating into an 8 (and a 4 I think), wait lemme guess. u a 7? I don’t know anything about 7s what’s that like if that’s your number, and what do you integrate into as you grow more healthy ?

That can only be true if you haven't fully integrated the lower stages of development. Once full integration happens, its very easy relating to beginner level insights. I heard Leo say 'I can't give pick-up advice, I'm too conscious for that.' What hes really saying is that he's totally ungrounded and is tripping way more than he has the capacity to integrate. If integration is your path (which the alternative is just endless chasing), you can relate to anyone at all. edit: Even to an amazon guy delivering you a package.

I heard that Mrs., Ramaji (Ananada I mean haha) wrote a great book on enneagrams and their awakening and integration process (Leo is type 5w6 I think quite not yet integrated into an 8 if you ask me, which is a little suspect given he’s a self help guru and all). Also I am not that into enneagrams and don’t understand them too much, but integration is quite important to me.

Your partner doesn't sound like a narcissist, just like someone with an avoidant attachment style coming form a background of emotional neglect. I understand your perception that it feels like narcissism from your point of view because your attachment is oriented towards connection and relationships, which is likely the polar opposite of hers - for her relationships have likely been unsafe and a source of pain and loss. So she instinctively acts in ways that keep her 'safe from connection'. This isn't to justify treatment and behaviors that don't feel good to you. but to give you understanding so you can act and set boundaries effectively with compassion, and with the knowledge of what's best for you. I understand what this is like. I dated a DA, it was a very deep empathic connection, and it blew up in my face and completely destroyed me to my core. Thank god it did, it made me so much better than I was before :). But you can only see that after you swim through the endless hell of the deepest pain.

What you’re doing is a form of gaslighting where any reaction anyone has towards you you blame on the other person. I am not really Affected by this personally, but I don’t love that other individuals are being treated in this manner. I have no idea why this type of behaviour is tolerated on the forum. It is quite dangerous and is slowly getting out of hand in this thread. I am appealing to moderators to either put a stop to this individual’s behaviour or at least lock this thread altogether.

Actually bullying isn’t far form this lady’s attitude, she’s just using spiritual lingo and a backwards mirror teaching to justify her rather abusive tendencies. this is what I meant by far worse behaviours going unnoticed when I was speaking to @Inliytened1

what a great way to embrace the spiritual path of the divine feminine. Something that this forum is in dire need of. Art is God expressed in form. It is a path that gives tangibility to the ungraspable concepts of nonduality, to take shape in form and create actual tangible conscious effect. I am always overjoyed seeing this, because I also know what a great courage it takes to follow through on such instincts, in a world that's dominated by the masculine. Thank you for being a beacon of light! <3

Thanks for informing me, may your heart be blessed with infinite joy, to balance out your mind of infinite wisdom. NahMahStai.

Great question. Don't be so humble, such question is the requirement of mastery, not a beginner level lesson. I have figured it out myself only recently! You click the drop down menu at your profile at the right upper corner, and you click 'ignored users', there you can add users to ignore them as much as you'd like. Are you okay? I'm a little worried. Sending love your way.

@Identity By the way, this is actually the reason why some people aren't into spirituality and awaken randomly never the less. Because throug some other area of their life, their effort gets exhausted, and their egos are surrendered. Sometimes its through loss of family members, existential crisis in your career, or the ending of romantic relationships. All this happens just to unravel the ego structure. If the ego tries to be in charge of its unravelling through any means (including psychedelics by the way, not saying they can't compliment but they aren't something that can control the process), you usually start getting into some trouble. You can even look at Leo and his health issues. I am not his spiritual adviser, and am not trying to give him any advice, but this just can't be unseen. Leo manifested health issues to aid on his path of surrender. Now his ego is trying to take the tools that it knows from its previous experiences and feels comfortable with - psychedelics, and tries to apply them. That ain't gonna work. While psychedelics can have healing properties, if they're used with an effort to 'make something happen', they will only lead to more existential confusion and crisis on a personal level.

The only thing inside of you that awakens is consciousness. The only thing that can imagine awakening as an object to pursue, is your ego. The reality is that everyone is going to spend a certain amount of time chasing awakening, which in and of itself is a part of the awakening process. But it isn't this chase that actually makes awakening happen. It's the exhaustion of the chasing mechanism and the existential boredom your ego experiences once it realizes that it can never be in the charge of awakening, reality or any creation of consciousness. Your ego does play a very important role, and that is to create space for the awakening consciousness within you. This process often gets interrupted by the creation of a spiritual ego, that tries to act awakened, while still playing out patterns of conditioning that are only dressed up as more spiritual aspects of you. I dont know if you've seen any Jp Sears videos, but he basically makes fun of this phenomenon. Again most people will go through this phase, only to arrive at a point where the energy that they expend in effort collapses on itself, and the ego is surrendered. It is important to say 'ego is surrendered' because if the ego 'tries to surrender', such a declaration only implies more effort, and more time spent in the conditioning. Awakening is effortless, the pursuit of it is necessary to exhaust the effort. Hope this makes sense

@Aaron p I really don't think that's the problem in this community. I think the issue lies on the opposite end of the spectrum.

I’ve gotta tell you. Even though you’re blocked, and will Likely remain in that category, I can still choose to read your posts. And I gotta give you some appreciation. What a committed hater you are more power to you, you must care about me so deeply that you cannot rest until you get your point across. Thank you. I honour your wisdom. same to @Raptorsin7 while I won’t justify his past responses, thanks appreciate it.

Ps: I also know that many people struggle to have supportive parents, and they try to change them. Ive had the same problem, and tried to change them with no success. But when I developed enough self worth to actually have boundaries, and not tolerate any projections or manipulation from them, they changed, and are more supportive than I ever could have dreamed of. While emotionally they are still quite underdeveloped, they no longer have a belief that they have the right to take out their projections on me. It’s quite impactful what this type of strategy can do.

Great response. I don’t think Leo is an asshole at all. Leo’s behaviour isn’t something I am asking him to change, I don’t need him to be different at all. What I do need though is to speak the truth and reality of his conduct and how it affects me, as a way of giving all the parts of me that are still steeped in pain from the maltreatment of the people in my past, that have treated me in a similar way as a way of saying ‘it wasn’t fair what happened to you back then, and it wasn’t your fault, you are safe to let go of this pain now.’ The hope is that through the honest sharing of the truth and the emotional impact insensitive treatment has on me, others will come to the understanding that they are worthy of far better treatment just as much as I am, and will allow themselves to be healed and will tolerate only the highest respect towards themselves, and will not be lost in the insane dream of ‘oh thanks for mistreating me I think I needed that’... nobody needs that. We all need love, and the ones who act annoyed by it, need it the most. Perhaps the reason why I am not afraid to share such truth is because I have respect for Leo, just as I have respect for anyone else. Not as a way of sharing my truth as a form of blame and criticism, but honest emotional feedback of how his behaviour affects me. It’s called having boundaries.

Oh wow look at that. That’s like a lifetime ago for me. But I’m sure it was a pleasure !

Oh boy that’s so nice of you to say haha. if I’m being totally honest, when I saw the last two notifications a part of me was like... uh oh...looking with one eye closed, expecting another hit and attack, and more names on the block list, but what a fucking awesome surprise. Thank you, and what a revelation that we can actually aspire and inspire each other to treat ourselves and each other nicely as a way of healing patterns of abuse and judgement out of our fields.

What a lovely compliment, thank you and same to you. ps: your profile picture is terrifying and triggered all of my daddy issues

@Heaven and why do you find it necessary to tell me that. If you’re another person who’s ‘trying to help’, while cleverly masking an attempt to tell me how much you think is wrong with me, you shall be ignored swiftly.