Whitney Edwards

The risks are going to be the same whether you are a child or an adult. Education won't make a difference. Of course we need proper assessments to rule out people who have gender dysphoria due to image issues or mental health problems. Any hormone chemical treatment comes with cons. It's better to focus on how to minimize it's impact rather than vouching for it's elimination. Agreed. Yet it happens when teens are still teens. Your argument is proper for someone who is 4 years old. I don't think this holds enough water for someone who is 14. I don't see why a 14 year old can't decide what they want. We do this to protect kids. Yet you aren't sure what exactly you're protecting kids from by not allowing hormone treatment. You can separate invalid cases. That's not an argument. But there are kids who have obvious gender conflicts and they really want treatment for that. Why should their freedoms be sacrificed?

Ok.

This is not revelant. This is akin to saying coffee isn't that good because some people had an allergy to it. Obviously every rule or method/trend comes with exceptions.

Cite studies where they show surgery was harmful. This went above my head. Sexual misconduct happens all the time. Age no bar. Maturity is debatable. I understand that with alcohol and the risk of abuse. But I don't get why you would need maturity if you are a 100% certain that you are not okay with the gender you're born with. Do children need maturity to decide what food is not good for them. These decisions are organic and it depends a lot on how you feel inside and not something that progressively changes with age bar a few exceptions where the client is not totally certain about gender change surgery. You know what, when it comes to gender change, even adults go through a ton of confusion since it creates a lot of mental conflict, this has no relevancy to age, more to do with rigid social norms than age..

Whats surgery on a wrong person? Can you go a bit into detail? This doesn't sound like a good argument to me. Your arguments should be solid, using transphobia (by the way I don't recall calling you that) is a weak argument, some sort of confirmation bias you're looking for.

Why should that impact my position? Isn't regret a separate issue? I don't know how demonizing transitions in teens actually translates as compassion for those who regret it. Not only is that a moot point, it rather comes across as a justification for stopping transitioning in teens than sympathizing with the ones who regret it, using their negative experience to confabulate an argument that never was about it to begin with, some weird form of strawmanning, yes there are issues like with anything else out there, but, without having an open conversation about it, I don't see how we're going to fix it, your take means we have to completely shut it down, reeks of paranoia, it's not a default that every teen regrets, we need more research before we begin to abandon the idea altogether, till then we're really in the grey zeone and we should be careful to not jump the gun with half ass information and preconceived assumptions.

Having compassion doesn't change my position. There are people who regret motherhood.

What component is causing the zero tolerance specifically?

This is mad logic. If someone decides to do something on their own, it's up to them to bear consequences. Children can do so many things that are wrong. Nobody died because they are trans. Unnecessary fear mongering. More children have died taking selfies. How do you know this for sure? Why is being trans unhealthy? Or is it unhealthy because society has conditioned us to believe so? Again why do you think they can't handle sex? Remember there was a time when 12 year Olds were shipped to marry someone older during Roman times. I don't condone that because age difference can cause too much polarity yet it's not written anywhere young teens are irresponsible with sex per se. If you're talking about teenage pregnancy, I guess most teens are very aware of it and don't want any problems. Most teens handle themselves quite well. What could possibly go wrong with sex as a teen apart from teen pregnancy? Don't forget how puberty hits when we're still maturing. Nature doesn't wait for us to be fully emotionally developed adults. And that applies to adults too. These things can even happen when you are an adult. You're indirectly trying to say that any gender change procedure is harmful to the body. But this is up to a person, if a gender change makes them happy, they could care less about other things. Everything comes with a price anyway.

You cannot simply correlate it with a placebo effect.

@LSD-Rumi how are these tests supposed to be reliable? Where are verifiable testimonies? I had beautiful dreams on LSD.

All those activities are in corelation with another person. Yet changing gender has nothing to do with harming someone else. They can't marry because another person is involved. They can't consent to sex because they could get exploited yet they can actually have sex. Does anyone actually stop a child from having sex? I don't know. Last time I heard 13 year olds were sucking dick and having sex in their closets. Everything happens behind closed doors with or without consent. I'm not sure if you look at Tik Tok. And then there's teens faking IDs to get into adult clubs and getting drunk. Hasn't been this way for ages now?

What do you mean? Who?

@Kconsciousness what are you waiting for? Please do. I had similar experiences.

You operate from a premise where you're already projecting that those children aren't happy with their decisions or somehow they are looking forward to a dark future. Why do you judge so harshly? Maybe those kids know what they want and they want exactly that. 2 years is too early. But I assume someone who is 9 years old can still decide what they want and shouldn't be persuaded otherwise. Even if you were the parent, you still wouldn't be able to decide what your children wanted. Your authority as a parent only extends to the limit of protecting your children from harmful influences of social media, porn and adult content. Children have their rights legally.

Survival and spirituality barely go together.

It's magic. Better than Dmt.

There is no problem with being transgender. Not long ago homosexuality was considered a huge taboo.

Money is like sex. You need it more than you love it.

Jordan Peterson is also a bit of a clout chaser. Don't be mad at me.

Anger is coming from a place of hurt, shame, wound.

If happiness is the only indicator of overall success, then we might as well just kumbaya and never want any change!! Change comes from unhappiness, suffering, necessity is the mother of invention. Through change then comes happiness. Don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message.

Leo, I'm your sinner.

Is it possible for you to love me infinitely? Is it possible for you to know my truth? My intent was pure transparency with you. But it melted away into a maze of nuisance. Why can't your love be infinite? If I only said that there will never be true betrayal.

Mathematics teaches us unity. We have to square everything to make it fair. I've a lot of potential you know. You simply have to give it time for it to really show up. One plus one is two. Nothing exists as nothing. Food for thought. I mean math for thought.