Whitney Edwards

I have been around such people. It's not a big deal. I have dealt with narcissists. We can't expect people to be perfect. Of course if a relationship is deeply abusive, one must leave immediately. Yet there's always a chance to be too hypersensitive to petty behaviors that can be easily changed with some psychotherapy. Like I said nobody is perfect. There's some good and there's some bad in literally everyone. One has to work out things than just dumping people. Communication is key. If something is wrong and brought to a person's attention and they promise they would change, wait for things to get better, if they deny it and don't show signs of remorse or cooperation, then leave them. This is very conditional and subjective. Let the good shine. And let the person work on their flaws. All of this is subject to the amount of time and effort you want to commit to that person, if you're doing well on your own, this won't be hard, yet if you're suffering and struggling, it's best to not invest any further into wanting compromises. It depends on your personal resilience with people.

I'm sorry this happened to you. You deserve much better. Don't be around reptiles. Surround yourself with people who trust you.

Act of love would be being with them and transforming them. But ain't nobody got time for that!!

You mean those kittens were going to be lowered into this forum right!

Sounds like covert npd rather than bpd. Anyway it's a toxic relationship. And you should get out of it for your own good. Cut off that person.

Not paying. Not even a cent. First get a degree.

Champion. Where's your clinic at? Just drop the address already.

Your every post is about women's ages. Lul. Why do you care so much? Let go. Date younger if you want and if you can't, then forget it.

Nonsense.

You can literally believe anything.

Dood you rock.

I don't know what made me write this. But I write it with a heavy heart. Like any other thing that comes with it's own set of pros and cons, spiritual communities aren't exempt from drawbacks either. I'm not specifically talking about forums although forums are a fraction of it. I'm just saying communities in general. I have reached a point where I'm seriously contemplating whether being a part of a larger community is really worth it if the results aren't really there and if things are just getting worse with the illusion that you're on a spiritual path and you are achieving something when in reality millions of people with mental and physical problems turn to spirituality only for bypassing their real issues, are barely able to cope through life and end up being and doing worse when they get on the spiritual path. They start to rot and lose interest in life and daily activities once they begin to live in a solipsistic bubble. Instead of thriving, they start rapidly degrading. The consequences can be anywhere from suicide to mental illness to death or just living like a zombie. I'm sure people in the past have also expressed such a sentiment on this forum before. It's a routine thing, not to mention the problem of false teachings. Things that degrade your mental well being or just take you on a path of disillusionment. You gotta do the math yourself. Are you in this for the better or are things genuinely not turning out to be the way they should. I was barely 9 years old when I first started with spirituality. I haven't come very far because life came in between. I devoted a significant portion of my life in chasing delusions (let's put it that way). I suffered autism at a young age and in my teens I was obsessed with spirituality and religion. I always thought I was looking for something, searching for something, there was this existential crisis like thing going on with me. I was often at my wits end. Don't get me wrong. I derived a lot of benefit from this forum itself. Leo's teachings, his videos on personal development were a great starting point. But there's a problem. Everything is not so hunky dory. I still think that I suffered a bit in the process and not in a good way. It's like "invited" suffering. I don't know if this is the inherent nature of spiritual work. But I went through phases of insanity. I didn't do psychedelics (God only knows what suffering might have resulted from that). But so far not so stellar results. I have significant mental illness. I don't know if that's interfering with my spiritual stuff. One thing I casually noticed in spiritual communities is the huge problem of spiritual ego. People fight a lot over what's right or wrong. There's a certain dogmatism that accompanies it. This downgrades the whole spiritual process significantly. This is not alien to any community, it's to be found in every spiritual community. Be careful with what you decide to put your energy into. I have suffered significantly.

Scary.

@Leo Gura also what's your opinion on the true nature of work? Thanks

That's toxic hijacking, yet your eye of discernment should be able to detect both hijacking as well as the disengagement of real values or un-accommodation of the seeker. Careful how they feel miffed and turn away because the garden is unattended and full of weeds.

Yea I have to kinda stay miles from it. It can be toxic. Also one upping. Flexing. Making it sound competitive. I think if psychiatry is combined with spirituality there are great results. However this is to be done with precautions and wisdom. I did not understand this aloneness. If you can elaborate. Yea if you feel like you can only reach a goal by so and so then it's no different from gym flexing.

I guess it's important to have the power of discernment - the lens. We would virtually die without it. You could run into a cult and not know that they have systematically brainwashed you and you run the risk of ruining your life. Brainwashing is a powerful thing where you could lose the will to live life or accept exploitation and bad treatment. There is a certain value for good things because they lead to good results. Similarly if you surround yourself with high consciousness people, they will give you love and high vibration and it will transform you to your best version, your highest potential being reached in their presence, instead of degrading you'll upgrade. But if you surround yourself with spiritual ego,then your changes will be minimal and you will practically stay the same person. Yes there are upsides and downsides to everything but it's the upsides that we want the max advantage of and also the true nature of work. You gotta ask yourself - what am I getting? Am I doing the true nature of this work? Otherwise it's like ordering chamomile tea and instead being delivered yellow colored water in a bottle. You have to make it worth your time. Ask yourself if you would settle for a low quality relationship that's degrading you. The true nature of spiritual work is the highest form of upgrading, the highest energy and not mindless human bullshit games that lead to no real growth. We're here for wisdom and not hollow vaccum just passing time. No that won't do justice to so many who deserve better. There's a reason why people save their money and buy a rolex watch and don't get ordinary stuff that breaks within a week. Money is hard earned. Time is hard earned too. Attention is hard earned too. If you spent your time on true teachings and embodiment, your time and attention are well spent. You also earned for it. In a way you decided that you deserve nothing but the best. If you are able to create that in every moment, you are able to elevate yourself to extremely high states of existence and these states you really start healing and breathing and thriving and achieving fruitful result - your highest potential, your own beauty.

Yes.

I don't see a problem. Did you expect a "hello sir" or "hey." It's nice to use the first name, I find it cordial. The content of communication matters more than intent.

Yes. It's difficult to create an empowering place. That's a powerful thought and insight. Now I realize why it's so hard to feel that empowering energy. It's tough to have that. It's almost like trying to condense God into a place. I like how you put it. Makes perfect sense now. Interesting. Smaller the better given everyone is aligned. Yea the Osho thing was awkward. He was interrogated at some point I guess. Yes the message is quite clear. Thanks for helping me out. It was big help.

Glad to know. Yes. Leo has shed light on it many times. Yes I definitely forgot to mention burning through karma. Apparently a lot of people sidetrack that. Glad. Don't know much about the owen person. I'm mostly into spirituality and never ventured outside of it that much. That will be an interesting journey. Nice to know that you love dance. Dance can be a spiritual activity too.

Yes. Noticed too.

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I have observed that a lot of folks attracted to spiritual communities suffer from some form of mental illnesses and autism and neuro divergent populace are a huge part of it. It could be that people with significant abnormality in the brain might be producing high amounts of DMT? Just a speculative guess I'm putting out there. Other things could be that they're naturally attracted to matters of the spirit as a result of chemical circuitry in the brain that predisposes such individuals to pursuing extraordinary subjects. Regarding the second question, yes, I still suffer significant level of autism, however, since my diagnosis I have been keeping a lid on my behavior so that I'm not out of control with my messy way of dealing things.

I don't mind anyone. Everyone has equal value in my eyes. Nobody above, nobody beneath.