MisterNobody

@Viswanath The ONE you are talking about is the ONE I am also talking about. It's just that I dont use the same wording as you

@Viswanath You actually dont deny both subject and object lol. You are merging the two into ONE, which you call experience

@Viswanath yes whatever you feel is valid. If you deny the negatives and consider yourself enlightened you probably have a different definition of enlightenment.

@Viswanath You said "Experience is valid, but the things in it are not". Which I thought was weird. Think about it. The things in the experience are actually the experience itself if you understand non-duality. So you can either say both the experience and the things in it are real and valid, OR the experience and the things in it are both fake. You're getting too hung up on words. I validate subject, you deny object. It's the same thing really.

@HMD what makes you think this quote applies to life? give me examples

@Viswanath Everything you feel is valid. Stop denying yourself. You fail to acknowledge and accept the negatives. Your subjective experience is all there is. Subjective=objective really. Objective means "subjective but viewed as a whole" (as outside of time). Also, since Reality itself is a Dream, it doesnt matter whether we are in a dream inside a dream, or in Reality (the main dream). So whatever you are experiencing right now is REAL. And Fake, at the same time, it depends of how you view it.

Since God is both Love and Hate. Actually he is all dualities combined. So referring to him as only one side of a duality seems foolish. Does Leo WANT God to be Love? Is he trying to be delusionally positive? I know he understand God is both Love and Hate, but referring to him as Love is kinda weird and misleading. Everything you write after "God is ___", except for things like "everything", "nothing", "one", is foolish. God is neither Love nor Hate. God is both Love and Hate. Both statements are correct

@Viswanath Your subjective experience is valid and absolute, so it is real and true, for sure. By Outside of Time I meant "taken as a whole" - judging it by seeing it from the beginning all the way to the end, as a whole.

@HMD it's just a dumb quote. Stop viewing the Bible as some authoritative intelligence. Remember God is fair ! He doesnt not discriminate.

@Viswanath exactly. Only 0 exists. But this 0 is subjected to Time. It is stretched in Time. So at times he might seem like a positive number, sometimes he seems like a negative number (and that is real and true, for that specific moment in Time), but ultimately he is just 0, as taken as a whole and as seen from Outside of Time.

@tuku747 no, not really. Enlightenment is an illusion, but if we were to take enlightenment seriously, hating Trump and loving Biden is low consciousness

@Inliytened1 ahaa, I see

@Yimpa yes but even here, he has named this duality (truth + falsehood) as Truth. Why not name it Falsehood (with capital F). It doesnt matter how you name it, both Truth and Falsehood would be right. But why not choose a third word, an independent one? Ok in the truth-falsehood it would be difficult to find a word, but when it comes to "God is Love", you can refrain from saying that altogether. You can simply use God, or Everything, or Universe

This is the question.