Viswanath

I deny both subject and object. I deny both subject-experience and things Experienced. Na iti Na iti. Why I said "Experience - Valid" is, I can't deny there is no experience at all. But, I deny such experience as Real One (but only like Dreamy experience, like experiencing Snake upon Rope), and deny all things experienced as Real.

It depends on how you view? If one feels "Everything one feels is valid", then if one feels to "deny oneself" and if one feels to "reject accepting the negatives, etc.", then that is also valid?? If one feels "this is Real" and another feels "this is Fake", then which is Real and Fake based on "feelings or Subjective Experience"? Which one's Subjective Experience is 'Real&Fake' for Real?

If there is anything to validate and acknowledge, I see none other than "ONE". The Subject depends on object, and vice versa. If object removed, Subject also gets removed. Here, Subject - 'self (small 's'), ego, desires, etc.', and object is whatever experienced of that subject. Both depends on each other. When Ego dissolves, then conscious of Materiality too dissolves in time. The presence of such desire, belief upon Subjective Experience - renders the power to think ignorantly that "object" is real too. But, when both gone unconscious, end of limitations, what remains? ?

This world, is free for any kind of societies. There is no denial for any, but one increases out of it's desire and support, and another get's decreased. You know, not these powers are truly "powers" but "Desire and strong belief". That is the true power. And this Desire for "not such Mystical but just 'Peaceful' Material seeking Human Life", had make this society dominant over such Mystical. Still, there are those society in Middle-East Mountain/Forest regions practice those Mystics (like Kamar-Taj in Doctor Strange), as this world is open for such desires and practices too. There is no limit for desires and creation of different societies in this world, but what will be 'more recognised' will be what most people 'believe' upon. But, in case of Truth, just throw away all beliefs, no pleasure-sufferings, and Be Blissful and Peace, Unconcerned and Act Unconsciously of world. Consciousness, has two types, Inward and Outward. When Consciousness remains Still Bliss and Peace always, then it is Inward "so no conscious of outward - Unconscious of Materiality,etc". But, when Conscious moves outward, then Ignorance-Desires-Pleasure-Pain-etc., whole lot of limitations experienced. Like, there is Lamp Always. It can remain Off always - formless, or ignorantly think and On itself to experience outwardly all it's appearance/forms/etc.

In other words, what can be said as "Real and True" must have Substance in it. Even the Atoms and etc., has just less than 0.0001% substance in itself, but that too based on some kind of Wave-like Movement which Science cannot determine due to Planck (or time - to the power negative). Whatever couldn't be given a substance, cannot be said as Real and True, nd only that which "Is There", and that is "One Formless". ;-)

Experience - Valid. But, things in Experience? Beliefs in Experience? I don't think so. One May give a validity that One had dreamt in Night is Real and True whatever is dreamt. But, to me it's just unwise and Ignorance. Whole is wise, and believing in subjective experience creates an ignorance/belief that "all objects experienced in such subjective experience is Real and True". Limitations, are the sign to give no value as "real and true" to such objective limitations experienced subjectively. It's like Air and Hurricane. Water and Waves. A speedy movement experienced doesn't mean "Hurricane is true as much as Air, Waves are true as much as Water". Believing in such movement is Illusion-Ignorance.

Okay... Good. But, do you feel that, in that specific moment, that "seeming" (0 looks positive, negative) is 'Real and True', as much as 'Real and True' - Outside of Time (0)? Like, you feel that, "Positive nd Negative is there as Real as 0 at that moment"?

It's about Bliss(true limitless happiness - not based on materials) and Pleasure. First, this "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance" - it's about Bliss. Then, this "but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.", who doesn't have Bliss, then Pleasure shall be taken away. Just my own view.

Hi there. Like, how you said in another thread that "Good and Bad are subjective, human concepts", will you agree in the same manner that "Positive +17,etc. and Negative -21,etc., is also human concepts, subjective"? Like At first to Till Atlast - everything everywhere all at once, only '0' remains but never any '+17, -21,...' from birth to till death and in every experiences (also in No-Experience)?, but that 'subjective, human concepts' is out of Ignorance (like, if one doesn't have thought of 'world,etc.'- one won't create such concepts but just 'Bliss --> Peace'?)?

Hi there. Happy to hear your seriousness. I have a question. Many may ask "Do you believe in God/soul/etc.?", But I won't. It's asking the opposite looks wise in my view. So, "Do you believe in World?"