BojackHorseman

I'm not sure humanity is willing to give up its humanity. And...as much as humanity is proud of this, our feelings and all, it is technically...not useful? But then what happens if we disappear into the mind of an absolutely perfect collective IA or whatnot? Is the Earth and humanity then perfect? It hurts my ego just thinking about this. Because it would not be interesting. But at the same time...obviously less destructive for Earth than humans are... AAAaaah so hard to think about this

To add to the original post : sometimes I feel like getting a dumbphone. But at the same time a smartphone offers very useful things. Actually the answer is certainly boringly conventional : as for everything, use in moderation. The problem being, the brain that doesn't want to, and addiction.

Do tell?

Well nowadays it's obviously browsing Internet, watching videos, playing games... Before the Internet it was watching movies, cartoons, TV shows, playing video games on older consoles. (and playing outside more, but obviously I was a kid so that's something to be taken into account)

To me it's pretty obvious that we should shut it down. Why are various experts, even in those beginning stages, telling us it's so dangerous it could destroy humanity? What would they have to gain from saying this? Nothing. I think they can just predict the obvious. A superior form of intelligence will take over us like we did over other species. But why would a superior AI need us? Humans are pretty useless to what we can imagine a perfect AI would be. We have nothing to offer to the deal. Specially if they develop some form of cousciousness by themselves.

Aaand he just dropped another "OG never to been seen again last chance to get" video. He can be smart but it's been months of him doing that I think, it's getting really annoying and I'm so close to unsubscribing. But at the same time I fear I'd be missing whatever he'd be doing if he actually elevate the content a little bit.

Clearly, I'm in the wrong place to ask that. But I trust you, knowing that the general spirit here should try to approach non-duality, not to just be like everyone else out there just defending their team in bad ways. So, yeah. Why use drugs? Why wouldn't you rather learn to use your brain and mind the best you can and transcend things from here? To be totally honest, I am somebody that's very anxious (including medical andxiety, and anything that affects me and that I can't control) and afraid to take drugs since I had the most gigantic, hours long bad trip just smoking pot (I am also undiagnosed but probably something like either and/or bipolar, ADHD, autism, and drugs might affect me in the wrong way even tho cannabis used to be pretty good for me most of the time before that one bad trip. But on the other hand, even without those personal problems, I still believe that drugs should be kind of useless if everything else was done right? Also, how would you know if drugs made you belive things that are actually not "true"? What's the difference with any other drug where people are feeling good and think they see things clearly when thy don't?

I'm not sure it's the same. In the plane example, the goal is the destination. In the case of awakening, it would be more about the travel/changing yourself. Another example could be : if there was a pill to instantly lose weight or get buff, would you rather take it, or do more "natural" work to get results by slowly understanding, changing your habits, etc? I know nothing by the way, I'm really stupid, so don't bother answering if nothing useful would come out of this. I just find it interesting to discuss, sometimes it can be interesting to try a different opinion than the one people are certain of.

I've just read I have no mouth and I must scream (for those interested, it's a dozen pages and can be found online), and I've noticed this pattern of me having a strong attraction but also being terrified in my guts (and I'm having a very hard time feeling fear for stories in general). There are a few other cases like this. One is the scene in the first Matrix movie, where Neo wakes up plugged in and see this dizzying, endless chain off people, and specially how everything you can see is just total dark and cold There also was that one episode in Love death robots, Beyond the aquila rift, where SPOILERS He wakes up in this desolated alien landscape where he endlessly revives horror (another element that triggers my strong fear feelings) END OF SPOILERS I'm not someone that can make analysis easily, therefore I just figured I had to look for more stories like that to figure out patterns and why it seemed so strong to me. It's weird to say, but in those cases and an few others, I feel like I fear those situations so much because they're..."real"? Like they will happend at some point? I also fear, as much as I am attracted to it, the concept of very far futures (like, more than just a few hundred years). Where things could be sooo different. Not sure what to make of all of this haha. But if you have movie/books/comics/games/whatever recommandations, shoot.

I'm self diagnosed for those but sometimes IRL it becomes a burden. I'm too proud (not the right term but can't find another one) to get help (I think a psychiatrist or similar could not tech me anything I don't already know, and I have really good close people I've alredy vented everything I could to), and I feel like medication is cheating (I know it's ridiculous, from a standard standpoint), instead of trying to better myself. I've also often read that meidcation could make things worse. In ltos of cases, it seem? And having medical anxiety, it certainly doesn't reassure me. I would like to believe that if I took back meditation and tried to be more conscious, I could live a better life (even tho I'm functional and masking ok, I still am usually on a waaay higher anxiety level than most people inside, and depression can strike pretty fucking hard, and not go away, no matter how hard I try and sit on it. and it's getting worse and worse, I think?) But the average opinion in society probably says I should? Not sure what to do. Any experiences on medication? And do you think it helps, but becomes a burden once you have to get off it? (or maybe you're supposed to take them your whole life?)

Ok. But then are we meant to overcome it? At some point I believe you said to someone that God gave us the body we need and that trying to grow bigger muscles or something was not needed? Or something like that. What's the difference? And even without that example, why are we trying to break a machine that doesn't seem to be made for such knowledge and states of consciousness in the first place?

Oh ok. This makes sense. So basically more complex stuff that we may understand later with science, or stuff that the human brain cannot comprehend because...well we're humans and our comprehension is probably limited no matter how hard we try. In that case tho, One could say the "classic" gods and sacred texts are as good as any other fantasy character/story.

Not even to be honest. It was just a tiny bit. It all came from my mind/anxiety for some reason. I was ready to relax, idk what happened. I must admit I'm a bit disapointed (not at you or other people) that it would be required to do psychedelics to reach higher states of consciousness. It's petty because I can't do them myself, probably, so maybe this turned to fear and rationalizing how it's bad. Still, as for everything,I do think it's good to keep an open mind and keep a small share or belief that taking them might not be the best solution/a mistake, but it certainly depends on the individual. I'm also pretty sure some well respected spiritual teachers probably don't do them and they're still probably on a high "level" (whatever that means). You might consider them at a lower level or whatnot, but people like Eckhart, Sadhghuru or Teal Swan probably don't take/advocate them? Please note that I dislike some of their opinion and whatnot (I've actually unsubscribed one and am considering unsubscribing the other, for different reasons tho) I just think they're clearly way higher level than the average human, and if, like I believe (correct me if wrong, they're not using psychs, it shows that you can go quite high without them. Probably higher with. But I wouldn't know that.) Hopefully I don't come off as annoying, I sincerely wish you the best of luck with psychedelics. I was just asking myself all of those questions, not as a way to say y'all wrong. Just out of curiosity.

Sometimes I wonder if overthinking and imagining non proven yet concept is not just escapism, in a way. Why can't we just be satisfied by what we have? Granted, science is evolving and like always, it will Humans are really a tiring species. Are we the only ones like that, thinking that much, creating concepts? Now obviously I'm here so I'm an overthinker. But sometimes, I just try to take a step out and look at this box. What if some people were actually right and all those high-end/enlightenment and whatnot spiritualities were kind of useless, and just a way to pass time like we do with other types of stories we create? Maybe we should just take some parts of it like meditation to calm our body/brain, but maybe the spirit and all, are just ways for us to make ourselves sound special. Why not just be flesh and bones monkeys, just a brain trying to survive and thinking it's something greater than what it is? Looking for greater meanings just cause we need it for some reason? What is the purpose of concepts like "God"? What happens if you don't try to be conscious about whatever it might be and understand it? Isn't this just some reassuring way to make sense of all the chaos and individuality?

I'm not saying they shouldn't. Or that there is literally no point in reading them. But wouldn't it make more sense to read newer books that build on those plus everything we've learned since? In any other categories than the ones I'm talking about in the title of this post, things are usually considered to be evolving with time and we get more knowledge with newer things (obviously it doens't need to be THE most recent stuff literally). But in religion or spirituality for example, there is this aura (even for myself) of "this books is so ancient, so exotic, so revered, it's a must-read". So for example : why would you read The Bible today? I admit I didn't, but I don't think I'm wrong saying it's probably hard to read and kind of convoluted, for whatever message you can learn of it, which could probably found anywhere else. Now clearly I'm focusing on information here. But maybe there are other benefits that I don't get. Sorry if all of this seems stupid (I am), I was just asking myself that question, wondering if I needed to read some books I had on my list. (but it also clearly is some form of procrastination I'm doing here, even tho there might be a few interesting points to get out of this)

I don't know but I can draw conclusions considering my experience. As I was saying, simply smoking pot gave me the absolute worst, hours long panic attack, I thought I was gonna die. And I learned nothing from it. I was already anxious before but I think my panic attacks I had since came after that experience. I think I've read somewhere that it can't be too good for some mental disorders like the ones I self-diagnose, but maybe I'm wrong, browsing for infos now.

Good point. But there is also no way to tell if the states you end up with whatever psychedelics are not some kind of foolery of your brain, as much or more than how most people perceive reality is (and it certainly is, I agree). If there are so many things that can affect our brain and body in a negative way, there are chances that psychedelics might do too and gave a wrong vision of things instead of one that's closer to whatever truth. But nobody can prove that one way or the other, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Certainly, "do what you will" is the one answer that solves everything in the end. I guess I also can't imagine the effects of psychedelic unless I try them. I guess too bad cause clearly I know how it will end for me if I do

Funny But if that is actually something you believe in, wouldn't it be more fair to say that real life is an escapism from other/higher states of consciousness (the ones you use drugs to access)? That being said...I just thought you could pretty much say drugs are just a tool like any other to go through life (maybe not just the right one for me). As long as, with any other means or tools, people do not get addicted, stuck, or extreme with it.

Who's to say depression is not more realistic than people being happy or enthusiastic? The older I get, the more I feel like I cannot bear people, feelings, all the conventions, being happy for the same things again and again. I feel like I'm very lucid tho. But everything just feels bad and annoying. Looks like I'm getting worse instead of getting better as I'm aging. I don't want meds. I think I'm just weak and whiny. Also, I've read many experience of meds making people kinda worse.

I mean...I love women. I love sexuality. I love sex, beautiful, smart women. I love females voices. But... I can't help but be aroused by women. I'm listening to this spiritual teacher right now and as much as I actually care and listen about what she says, I feel weak when I see her beauty. I also can't help but imagine having sex (not literally, more like a physical thing) when I see a woman. Uuuh I hate myself. On one hand everybody thinks about sexual thing, on the other hand I know the situation of women must be really hard to live, being prey to all those men, staring and all. I feel ashamed yet I also sometimes feel like I shouldn't be ashamed to look at beauty? (i'm not insisting by any means or harassing or whatever, never ever) I love and hate this sexual energy. Edit : sometimes I don't even feel like it's sexual I guess? Just feeling "weak"? Not sure how to explain it.

So I was watching Owen Cook's latest video. I'm not sure lately how many time I was about to unsubscribe to his YT account. Partly because the marketing part is annoying (not saying he shouldn't push his product, but sometimes I feel like it's a bit too much and gets on my nerve for some reason), but mostly because he's talking about ten thousands of dollars parties, some sort of value race, etc. I genuinely learned things from him and there's still even a tiny bit of very interesting thing in his videos, enough to make me keep on watching them, but the kind of stuff I was talking before, I don't resonate with. Granted, one part of me is in a "loser" mindstate. I was a nerd my whole life, and not even a smart one, just a pop culture/art jack of all trade/master of none. But even as I get kind of nonchalant towards life these days, which doesn't make me wanna grasp for any kind of success, I'm still wondering if living a life of "parties, money and hot girls" (just quoting the usual here) kind of turns me off because it's stranger to me, or because I've just gaven up on it at some point (just a reminder that I am now over 40). Is it weird to not want money (well, not much more than enough to keep me afloat)/lots of social interactions/an rich dating life? I'm no monk either, maybe just very introverted and happy with consuming other's creations. But I was wondering if having some kind of adventurous life was something that actually develops the soul, and if I was missing on it, or if some people were just not meant for this (not in a "you don't have the skill for it" kind of way, more as in "life has many types of roles to fill, and this kind of role is not mine"). Sorry, tired and I'm having a hard time expressing my thoughts in english tonight, but I had to get that out. Not sure if I'm a quitter that should motivate himself (even to smaller scales, maybe just getting a few more hundred bucks with my art skills for instance woud be enriching to me all the same that it is for people like Owen to swim in million dollar industries and whatnot), or if on the contrary I should stop thinking that maybe I'm missing out on something, and the way for me to live happy is to let go and just keep on floating peacefully with my close ones (and maybe go through the baby road, even if this is a very hard question for me, for various reasons)

Who said I fapped and used po- Ok I do But not sure I wouldn't be fascinated by the beaut and presence of women in general even without that I meant like...I don't imagine the sex, I just feel some attraction Yeah weirdley formulated

I get what you mean. I've wasted my life debating with people and looking up solutions, alternatives. On one hand, I think that is what I am. That my brain or something deeper actually needs this kind of stimulation. I don't think I'm relly looking or someone to tell me what to do tho. I'm just looking for pieces of the puzzle and chosing the ones I miss. So many human experience can only lead me to better things, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I think it's a mix of both. Reading and talking, and then experiencing. Granted, I'm certainly not doing the second one neaaarly enough. Not sure if it scares me. Or if I deep down I don't believe in myself and just distract myself with pretty stories and concepts. But yeah. I fucking need to stop my adhd brain for one second and take back meditation and whatever other kind of more personal studies I could find to feel better. Cause clearly I'm in a hole right now. PS : sorry if I'm not answering some other posts. Sometimes I just don't have more to say but appreciate the infos and experience.

Clearly aliens could be operating on a way that we would never be able to conceive or understand. But when I say physical, there's no hidden meaning here. I'm talking about moving bodies as we know them in the materail world as we know it. So when you were saying aliens wouldn't need to travel in the same way we've been imaginating (ships, etc), my question was : ho would they travel then? If travelling is about being present on Earth. Maybe they could just sense lifeforms and "teleport" (to simplify) there, who knows. Maybe they can be at many places at once, maybe just having an image or an object from a planet allows them to be there tho. I don't really know and my imagination or scientific knowledge is less than childish, I'm really just trying to understand what other meant of travelling, aka going from one physical place to another, there could be, rather than the stereotypical alien ship travelling space.