theleelajoker

You mean: How can he know that no one knows? How can he say that nobody can make a claim such as "no individual person can make big metaphysical claims about enlightenment" while as an individual, he makes an generalized statement about others? Hehe yes that's a valid question 😎 And the answer is simple: others say "it's like this and that". They pretend to have "facts". I have subjective experiences and opinions. And my opinion: The maximum you can do is say "my experience is....XYZ" and that's about it. Fuck the rest you're just pretending to know to gain some false safety and security in this fluid world that you're continuously co-creating and changing 🌎

So many different ideas what enlightenment is, how it works, what the consequences are, what can or should or cannot and should not happen. Which basically brings me back to one major point I am personally convinced of. NOBODY TRULY KNOWS WTF HE/SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. All we can do is exchange and make sense of our subjective POVs. Enjoy the ride 🤣🤣🤣

While it's true, people don't have access to this incident(s) anymore. They can only access the generalized believe and idea. Plus, some stuff might be warranted. What I do depends on my situation and my intentions. No energy? No interest? I just ignore that or casually change the topic or stop talking to this person at all until she returns to sth else. And then there are infinite other scenarios how to react...

@Natasha Tori Maru Thx for replying! My question feels thoroughly answered;)

Funny. Nobody asks how women can make the conversation interesting for men. As if entertainment was a man's job only. The answer btw how women make conversation interesting for me is when women talk about things they really care about, when they are light and fun, or when they are emotional and show it (sad angry scared happy cheerful doesn't matter as long as its authentic and not victim mode) or when they are bold, when they teach me something new that is relevant for me, or when they ask me questions that I don't have an immediate answer for (love that one!), or when they genuinely listen, or when they genuinely want to get to know me, or when they make me laugh, or when they appreciate me for who I am, or when they pick up subtle little hints and pointers in my communication, or when they are witty, when they follow my lead in a conversation, or when they lead the conversation, or when they tease me playfully, or when they are courageous enough to express themselves fully, or when they are even more courageous and go into a conflict with me without being insecure, or righteous about it. You would have to ask the women that have been dating me, but my impression is that most or maybe all of the things above all are things that women find interesting as well @Natasha Tori Maru @Xonas Pitfall Curious if we can have a woman's opinion here. One of the best questions I got asked a while ago by a woman: "What was the last thing that inspired you?" That depth and interest was authentic and thus sexy as hell.

Re the "shallow" people: Alan Watt might say to this that there are more "inside" and more "outside" people. And isn't it amazing how well the outside people play their role? Instead of judging them, we should celebrate those people for playing their part so amazingly! Re OP: I would say four in total, three men and one woman (an ex). Real friends in a sense of "I know what's going on in their life and they know about mine" + we are in touch regularly. Two of those four live in another city, though. Some friends I see or talk to only every few months, and we talk about anything and everything, but we don't do stuff together often. Plus I don't feel we're involved enough into each other's daily life to call it "real" friends.

Of her orgasms? Well, that's one kind of a woman!

1) Don't know you yet except some posts 2) Send me money 🤑 3) See the point before 4) You are that evil, too. So where to put that evil? 5) Don't know but I would say it's mainly about entertainment

Drop the assumption that Leo knows WTF he's talking about. Drop the assumption that anyone knows. Your case suddenly gets a lot easier, doesn't it? Re content, I agree: IMO it should lead to fully embracing yourself with all there is and not purifying something that isn't right. If enlightenment does not give you access to some aspects of God’s power, then why would enlightenment give you access to any kind of purification or separation from your desires (especially for people who are born with antisocial predispositions, psychopathic traits, pedophilic attractions., or extremely strong lust, etc)? In both cases, you are still acting as a human and accepting that you are human, and that this is your current truth

Thanks for your perspective! Agree, it can be both - the practical and the genuine desire for depth. But I don't see many people simply saying that out loud. They - intentionally or not, consciously or not subconsciously - hide behind "higher"motives. And I count myself, too! Until I thought "wait a minute - why the hell do I even care so much about this? What am I trying to protect myself from?Ah... ok, that" lol

Nice. Well said IMO

Interesting point by highlighting the extreme opposite - complete loss of control, non-controlling. I believe the problem with truth seeking is that people choose where and how they seek truth and they don't see their own self deception @judy pointed out

How do you know that? What are criteria? How verify?

No I think many people are - at least partially - bullshitting themselves and others about their motivations

@Judy2 thx for adding some content to the discussion! I agree about that achievements, and that they are not less because of that or this motivation. Also agree that there has to be some story that provide coherence and interest to a person's journey. What I see critical is this: 1) presenting a story of "you need should do XYZ" or "look how I do XYZ and how great and important it is" and 2) judging people by commenting on their progress or failure ("good work, good job, but that's only the beginning etc") but 3) not providing the real personal motive. It creates an inauthentic vibe and will potentially lead to bypassing the real fears in favor of putting up a show. And worse, it might incentivize others to do the same.