theleelajoker

@Judy2 thx for adding some content to the discussion! I agree about that achievements, and that they are not less because of that or this motivation. Also agree that there has to be some story that provide coherence and interest to a person's journey. What I see critical is this: 1) presenting a story of "you need should do XYZ" or "look how I do XYZ and how great and important it is" and 2) judging people by commenting on their progress or failure ("good work, good job, but that's only the beginning etc") but 3) not providing the real personal motive. It creates an inauthentic vibe and will potentially lead to bypassing the real fears in favor of putting up a show. And worse, it might incentivize others to do the same.

All this "I want to understand reality" and "I am soooo interested in truth" and so on... What's really behind it is the idea of "I want to know how reality works because I want to control reality and avoid certain feelings and situations because I'm scared. Plainly fucking scared. If I figure out what this is and how it works oh yeah then I'm really great and superior and can stay within my subconscious limits full of social fears, self doubts and scary thoughts of being rejected and feeling small and insignificant" All this "Oh yeah let's contemplate and find out this and that and let's build an epistemic and ontological framework because I really need to know that and this is really important for me and others and the world --> same thing. Scared. What about let's go out, let go and let's do stuff? Let's experiment and experience instead of discussing and explaining and looking for "theories of everything" etc. Let's discuss the hypothesis I'm curious about opinions.

Agreed. Doing something typically < looking for perfect & right way. As long as the intentions are aligned.

Totally underrated and underrepresented in this forum. Words words words, concepts concepts concepts, descriptions over descriptions, so much discussion and often so little focus on action.

Loved how you emphasized that valuable experiences and skills come out of such things. And kudos for the simple fact that you opened up here.

Nice

"No others, no problem"

Inspiring stuff @VioletFlame

Last year I had two "breakthrough" shifts in my perception of reality within few weeks (Vipassana, no psychedelics). I learned that talking about unity, consciousness, no self, etc. hearing about it, discussing it and experiencing it are two very different things. After the retreats, the transpersonal dimension in everyday interactions became so obvious I could not longer not see it. Crazy coincidences and synchronicities that become less and less coincidental or crazy because they happen so often, it becomes ordinary life. Often, as I go through my day, it's like talking to my own subconscious. Recognizing my reflections in other's words and actions. Lately, also appreciating these reflections more and more. But it was not always like that. At the beginning I was overwhelmed. Going through all the (bad) interpersonal stuff that ever happened and becoming aware how my new awarenesses recontextualizes EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION I EVER HAD. Took me about half a year and lots of difficult days to adjust living with this new found awareness. Now I feel like I adjusted to "my new normal" of experiencing the world. So sometimes, I look at people and don't see as much individuals, but expressions of the same life energy. Like you see a tree now where you could only see the leaves before. Sometimes I also feel like hints are dropped by the universal mind, statements that can be seen and understood very differently depending on the context. At other times, it's also blatant role switching without any ambiguity. In any case, there's less and less external in my experience and more and more connection. Impossible to go back and see the world as I did for decades before. Also, I wonder: WTF do I do now with this new normal? Is it really only "chop wood, carry water?" Just continuing my role? No idea, but it feels like there's more fun to have in this reality... What's the purpose behind this post? For one, I just felt like writing it. Second, curious if anyone can relate. Third, have nice evening and don't forget to feed the cat.

IME it's a little bit of this and a little in bit of that. Yes pickup is often used to cope with insecurity, increase self worth It comes in handy if you learn and then know how to deal with women. Because it requires you to know yourself and being aware how to communicate. And having relatively happy life helps I hear more often now that "emotionally stable" is a big criterion re search for partner

Yeah it's sometimes really feels like this. Open World, Open End game where you (co-) create whatever happens to you.

So we're playing "Human" here on earth, yes? I'm in the mood for Skyrim now it's a great game

Think about it as a process, not as a fixed something

RE the first part: Yeah agree. I often spent too much time and energy labeling, thinking, trying to figure out reality and mind much more then just doing and being. So yes, I can see NOW that I wasn't there as much as I am now. And who knows how much potential there still is. The second part - I don't follow. We are referring to the same thing? I give an example what I mean: Instead of talking with people (direct experience), I thought about people and situation(not direct experience). Instead of expressing my wants, needs, desires etc (direct), I tried to figure out how life works in general and discussed it with other people (not direct). Instead of psychologically risking XYZ, I thought about strategies to reduce or eliminate that risk.

I like that you take it with a sense of humor