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That's a great reply. Thanks for that. I remember a conversation, few weeks ago. I did some coaching, and at the end of our time together I asked my coach what he thinks is gonna be a good "next step" for my development. Among other things, he said sth "improving the ability to hold multiple perspectives at the same time" In theory, it's very simple. But in everyday life, I can see that this ability is indeed a continuum where I can become better and better.... until infinity? Every interaction, every event, every action or even thought is a training ground for that. Edit: training ground+ opportunity to have fun with it

OK thanks for clarifying. I love the cookies from Subway. My favorite ones are double chocolate and macadamia.

@Yimpa Don't get what you want to say with this video?

I hear this term "Love" thrown around so much. Not even talking about "infinite love". I love pizza. Are we talking about the same love?

@Carl-RichardNice initiative. Especially the "sick, needs to be healed" framing is crazy in psychology, very indicative how you relate to yourself and others. I know a psychologist, and she was about to open her own business. She showed me her "introduction questionnaire" for all new "patients" and asked me what I think about it. I told her that I was happy when starting but now I feel "wrong" and "sick" after just reading and filling out this form lol. Re framing, I recommend skipping all labeling and going for the raw feeling. Make life easy for yourself and simplify. Vipassana is great for this.

Bug or feature? Sometimes I lean towards the former, sometimes towards the later

@Terell Kirby IME/IMO, your first three bullets are HUGE For me it's currently also: I don't know. Especially, I don't know what I don't know I rely on superior intelligence beyond my personal mind for long term planning. I set an intention and then let "it" do the "how" and "when". I focus on the moment Thoughts are in most situations not necessary and rather making life more difficult. Focus on the raw sensation within the body Every thing I need right now is in my currentl field of awareness Believes can be replaced like a new t-shirt in the morning "It" knows everything.

I agree with that. Absolutely underrated is IMO understanding language and how it works, when it should be used and when it's a tool better left aside. And relationships are crucial, too. How you relate to your own body-mind organism, how you relate to others and how you relate to events. This understanding is IMO a HUGE gap in our education system.

Appreciate the time you took to reply. Makes more sense for me re your more nuanced answers. Enjoy your time and good luck with your (changing) life purpose(s)

You probably are right about that. As addition to what you wrote above, I recommend to maximize body awareness.

So you say learning about yourself, understanding yourself will help you to live a better life? Sounds good but it's not exactly news, is it?

Scary crazy woman for me, too.

Yes they have their use, but IMO are very often understood and used in a way a) where the tool becomes the goal b) it's "wrongly" used. Use a knife to cut your food, not to cut your toenails You remember the thread about "universal mind"? Categories re people lose a lot of their relevance once the fluidity of the mind and the mask of personality becomes more transparent

Strong agreement. Well said IMO. Seeing and seeking meaning in words instead of experience. Been there. Still do it, but less and less. The IWOW and the samahdi series of Daniel Schmidt is amazing re this topic. Re this forum : it's a good testing ground here to express some methods, ideas etc. And it's entertaining Sometimes also a little bit of positive influence can be created. But truly meaningful interactions are IME better placed 1) IRL 2) with people actively seeking change instead of confirmation

Ok last one for you (from other meme thread, slightly changed)

I tried making this point in various posts, but failed miserably to communicate that idea in an appropriate way 🙈 I would like to extent it and say "how come we cannot experience and enjoy reality without constant need for label/concept idea"? But I get the impression that this message appears like blasphemy to quite a few in this forum🤷‍♀️

@Joshe You do you. Don't see that further input form my side is constructive.

Tell me two "things" or "people" or "experiences" that are exactly the same.

One thing is to tie your identity to these language labels, the other is to mistake your world for reality, the map for the territory. Categories can be useful - fire is hot, fire burns, don't touch fire. In terms of dealing with people, and other life situations, it is my experience that it limits your experience, typically keeps you stuck in the mental realm. You seem that point as trivial. I say read the books I mentioned. I say look at your last 1,5, 10 years of your life. Check all your mental models. How many of them have changed? How you think you'll look back at this ND discussion and your current model of "people" in 3,6, 12 months?

Me: recommending a book that shows how easily (parts of) the brain fools us when building models. And how we stick to it despite overwhelming evidence. (Watzlawik is also a good source) You: "my model is correct" 😂😂😂

Book recommendation: "no self, no problem" from Chris Niebauer. Part of human loves COHERENCE, not truth. You see what you want to see.

😂😂😂 Thanks for making me laugh. But I don't identify with this. NOT AT ALL. I'm unique, with a unique perspective of life. Same as anyone else. Who is this so called majority of NT people? Where is this so called NT society with different neurological processing than the so called ND's? I don't care much about some YouTube videos or similar, I focus on my direct field of experience through interaction. And when I do, and I go out into the world, all I see is unique individuals. Talk to those "NTs" and I'm pretty sure you'll loose these labels and categories.

IMO, this thread is mainly a collection of projection, generalizations, categorization and labeling. If it's helps anyone for now to better accept him or herself, so be it.. But I'm betting my ass sooner or later you'll recognize the dead end you put yourself into. Why? Because you label people NT or ND...but where's the line? When do you stop being X and start being Y? If you act like ABC in 8.658 cases out of 10 times to degree if 76° or more, in at least 13.7 categories out of 23.4 over a span of 3.76 months? And even IF I take this halfway seriously, you are telling me there are only NDs and NTs lol? What about ND1 and ND2? Or actually, it's ND1.1 and ND.1.2 and ND2.1 and ND2.2. But only Sundays, and only if it's the third Sunday in a month. You are just creating stories to justify the way you are. Wake up, accept yourself, move on.

@Zenterus I like your two posts in this topic. Guess it will help others to see the traps of pick up mindset, too. One thing I want to add: You say there are emotional wounds that are hard for you to get to IME, pick up mindset, and strategies and gaming about human interaction are often a result of 1. You know strategize again with 10 points above. In a different, more loving way towards women - but what about yourself? Drop ALL concepts. Drop ALL strategies. It's all mind stuff. You don't get to your emotions that way. I recommend 100% improv mindest. 100% going with flow of interaction. Good luck!

+1 Sums up pretty much my experience. The deeper I go into the rabbit hole, the more the conditioned self I uncover and the more freedom I am able to gain