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Two points: Just about everyone close to me conflates pleasure and happiness. And equates peace to boredom. ---> yes, I think there's something to it. In every situation there are infinite options to act, right? And more often then not, the choice I observe is the one towards conflict, drama. Do you think people are mostly unable to recognise peace? --> it's not people I get you, similar for me. But can't really say that I the process I had is the process I would have chosen for myself. Would have been nice to have happier family life, happier childhood, happier relationships etc. In hindsight, I could have done with much less difficulties and challenges.

Yes! That's what I said above. I am definitely not there yet. But also, imagine all the events in my past, all the history that led to me having that conditioning that makes me react, all this never happened. Because it does seem to me that there is an element of choice in how things unfold. The way I perceive it, just not reality flowing uncontrolled. I can see the story line that has been created - by me, by it, for me personally and for everybody else - and I just wonder: Does it really need to be that dramatic? is this really how it's supposed to be? Is this really what "it" wants? Because a very large portion of people I know seems to suffer a lot, and if I look at my complete life up to now, I can't say that the majority of days in my life have been happy.

I am not sure I was able to adequately make my point. Some clarification: @Natasha Tori Maru "We fail from the start because we believe in separation." --> Agreed. But why do we believe that? Because we have been told so from out birth by almost all sources. Education system, parents, work, politics, media etc etc. Very few people, and with very little power, that are sending a different message. And it does not seem to be a "bug" or "mistake" to me --> Consciousness (I'll call it "it" for simplicity), wearing the mask of individual characters, decided that this is how the world is or should be seen. And it could change it any moment. But it doesn't, and it seems to me that this is the case bc of seeking drama / entertainment @LastThursday "people are addicted to stories" ---> yeah, but it's not people in the end. It's "it" pretending to be people.

Don't think it's weird at all. Also believe it's human to share, to connect and to relate to people, especially the ones with similar life situations. Keeping them to yourself all the time, every time - I think that will turn out to be harmful. Talking too much about it puts might give it too much attention, talking it into existence. I believe a "wise" person is able to decide and act moment for moment, case for case and can choose when to express and when to not.

I think I like that

Don't think (ahahaha) that all thoughts are bad. It's about detaching from them and deciding which is worth to follow with action. A "negative" thought "I am XYZ" is one thing, the other is to tell oneself "ok what am I gonna do about it?" Answer might be in some cases "doing nothing" or "just feel your feelings". But in others cases answer might be "go for sports" or "call a friend". It's about separation of assumption from assessment and action.

Are you joking? Just sit and be silent.

Yes it's very hard (impossible) to describe, so I'm with you on that. It's just happening. I agree re this "not calling experience my own". Has been quite humbling for me on many occasions. I don't know about the "center of experience" stuff. I still feel very much in my body. I still receive information with my senses which kinda makes me automatically the center of experiences. Don't really know how to put it...

I don't. It just keeps happening. Did not choose this, these experiences just began to happen this year after intense Vipassana practice. It feels like the antenna metaphor. I don't do anything, but sometimes my personal perception has the right channel to receive things.

Meet her. See how it goes from there. Stop thinking and take some action. Have fun.

+1 from own experience. Of course, there can (and should) be SOME variation, so that you can complement each other. But there has to be a core alignment, otherwise soon a gap starts to grow and it's only getting worse over time. I had girlfriends I liked for a a variety of reasons, we had common goals and hobbies. But there was no alignment re how much they valued personal growth, self development, or just re general perspective on reality itself. I talked myself into "oh it's good she's different here she's gonna be a good distraction for me". Guess how that turned out

Ok thx for recommendation. One thing is different perspectives at same time, but it's also something I might call different dimensions. Realizing that I'm communicating with two layers of consciousness simultaneously, one localized in the limited individual body-mind structure and another transcendental one. Realizing, processing and then integrating, transforming that information from this "dual interaction" into appropriate action. To do that it feels I need a solid basis for my thinking (a useful and constructive programming of core believes and methods for operationalizing), but also to turn off my thoughts completely and just let it be. Don't know if it's clear but if you have experienced it at least once you probably know what I mean. If not, I sound crazy 😂

That's a great thread. Thanks. I read bandler and grindler currently and I feel I'm just scratching the surface. Did not know about neurosemantics before. Re trying it out NLP stuff and similar: result is massive increase in quality of my everyday interactions. Massive increase in understanding myself and others. What's IMO a great complement to this stuff is body awareness, embodiment etc., raw sensation. I'm big fan and advocate of Vipassana for instance.

That's a great reply. Thanks for that. I remember a conversation, few weeks ago. I did some coaching, and at the end of our time together I asked my coach what he thinks is gonna be a good "next step" for my development. Among other things, he said sth "improving the ability to hold multiple perspectives at the same time" In theory, it's very simple. But in everyday life, I can see that this ability is indeed a continuum where I can become better and better.... until infinity? Every interaction, every event, every action or even thought is a training ground for that. Edit: training ground+ opportunity to have fun with it

OK thanks for clarifying. I love the cookies from Subway. My favorite ones are double chocolate and macadamia.

@Yimpa Don't get what you want to say with this video?

I hear this term "Love" thrown around so much. Not even talking about "infinite love". I love pizza. Are we talking about the same love?

@Carl-RichardNice initiative. Especially the "sick, needs to be healed" framing is crazy in psychology, very indicative how you relate to yourself and others. I know a psychologist, and she was about to open her own business. She showed me her "introduction questionnaire" for all new "patients" and asked me what I think about it. I told her that I was happy when starting but now I feel "wrong" and "sick" after just reading and filling out this form lol. Re framing, I recommend skipping all labeling and going for the raw feeling. Make life easy for yourself and simplify. Vipassana is great for this.

Bug or feature? Sometimes I lean towards the former, sometimes towards the later

@Terell Kirby IME/IMO, your first three bullets are HUGE For me it's currently also: I don't know. Especially, I don't know what I don't know I rely on superior intelligence beyond my personal mind for long term planning. I set an intention and then let "it" do the "how" and "when". I focus on the moment Thoughts are in most situations not necessary and rather making life more difficult. Focus on the raw sensation within the body Every thing I need right now is in my currentl field of awareness Believes can be replaced like a new t-shirt in the morning "It" knows everything.

I agree with that. Absolutely underrated is IMO understanding language and how it works, when it should be used and when it's a tool better left aside. And relationships are crucial, too. How you relate to your own body-mind organism, how you relate to others and how you relate to events. This understanding is IMO a HUGE gap in our education system.

Appreciate the time you took to reply. Makes more sense for me re your more nuanced answers. Enjoy your time and good luck with your (changing) life purpose(s)

You probably are right about that. As addition to what you wrote above, I recommend to maximize body awareness.

So you say learning about yourself, understanding yourself will help you to live a better life? Sounds good but it's not exactly news, is it?