VoidJumper

The question is, would you still think he was a Nazi, in a world where the corporate media thought he was the best guy ever? "Look at all of these wonderful historians, they have dedicated their whole life to their craft. Surely they must be correct, they can't all get it wrong! (And the bad 30% of historians who do disagree and are rightly censored, are just crackpot lunatics who don't understand that the status quo is always correct)"

@Breakingthewall @Breakingthewall I would love to see that! That goes for all the big names out there by the way, including Leo. There is certainly an interesting discussion to be had about the ethics of making money with spirituality. I'm not sure where I stand on it. Yes it opens the door for grifters, but fact is that we live in a world where we need money. People find value in what I say and want to come to my talks and purchase my tapes? I don't see that there is anything wrong with it. It's better than flipping burgers.

Well, in Germany we had the Corona Investigative Committee who were a group of lawyers that had taken on the responsibility of sifting through all of the data and have weekly hearings with experts across the field, trying to piece together a coherent picture of what the hell is going on. It was all pretty straight forward. They even published a book at some point summarizing their findings. But it brings up an interesting question. How is the average person, who doesn't have the time and/or capabilities to sift through the entirety of scientific research and then dig into the legitimacy of every individual study, supposed to come to a conclusion? Listen to the scientific consensus? Get the fuck out of here. The scientific consensus about cholesterol? The scientific consensus about climate change? The increasing scientific consensus about gender? The scientific consensus in Nazi Germany about the Jews? You cannot abdicate your entire life to "the experts". You must hear both sides of the argument and then come to your OWN conclusion. That is why open debate is so important and why the view of 'these people are beneath us they don't deserve to be platformed' etc. is so dangerous. Who decides what ideas are allowed to stand? But how do you in the end come to a conclusion and know that you made the right one? I don't know the answer, I guess you can never know for certain whether you are correct. For me personally, the thought of taking the vaccine never even entered my mind. It never occurred to me even for a second that it might be a good idea. Why? Well, the way the whole pattern was setting up, all the lessons I had learned previously throughout my life.... all that made it clear that the objective was to NOT take it. There was never even a question about it. And I was surrounded by people who felt the exact opposite mind you. Perhaps this is the heart of the matter

Those are not comparable at all. One is regular ass in-group bias and the other is a military grade psy-op. I am not that guy. But RFK Jr. is lol What is needed is something like an unbiased investigative committee working through everything that happened in these last few years and exposing the darkness. RFK Jr. is the one to do the job.

Jesus Christ

That's a rather unflattering interpretation. I understand his spiritual stick can be off-putting to some people, but I belief him to be genuine.

Adyashanti has talked about taking 8g of mushrooms or something and not experiencing anything except a light body high. How about that for a litmus test

Ever heard of the ash experiment? People will go along with anything, even the most blatantly ridiculous, obviously untrue assertions in order not to stand out, and especially not stand out in a negative way. Don't you remember what it was like at the height of covid hysteria? Going against the grain basically amounted to heresy of the highest order. It would have required outstanding moral character to resist the temptation to abdicate your critical thinking and remain unbiased while examining the evidence. It is rare for people to be able to do that The number one motivator of people is to preserve their egoic structures, not truth. Scientists aren't any different, in fact they might be worse. It is 100 times easier to just go along with the status quo than to truly think for yourself. This is how mass formations happen and no one is immune. In fact the more "educated" the more susceptible people usually are. If your only argument is that it is impossible for a lie to propagate itself on this scale, and therefore you ignore all of the evidence because it would go against this one belief of yours, then there is nothing I can show you to convince you otherwise. No matter how well I lay out my argument, no matter how founded, not mater how much proof, you will dismiss it all because your mind has been closed to the possibility from the very beginning.

It's not that there are evil puppet masters, but simply that over time institutions degrade and are consumed up by corruption and special interest to the point where they seize to be what they started out as.

Likewise. This is why we have a problem

VAERS data shouldn't be taken as fact because it relies on voluntary report by physicians, and it is actually quite underreported Interesting example. From my own experience as a human I can tell you that I am very sensitive to EMF. For example if I hold one of the newer iphones, I get a strong pressure sensation in my stomach and start to feel sick after just a couple of minutes. It's always just been obvious to me that these things have serious negative consequences, but when I look at the "scientific consensus" (I feel a little sick just using that term), EMF is nothing to worry about. What am I supposed to do with this? I have encountered these sorts of things enough in my life, that any faith towards these institutions has been completely destroyed. You may not think this. You may think that, while faulty at times, overall the institutions are good and do what they are intended to do. The problem is that we have a large part of the population that thinks that our institutions are rotten to the core and probably not salvageable unless there is a complete overhaul. Whether you like it or not, we are split up into these two camps, and whatever you might believe about the other side, we cannot, as a society, move forward like this. If we are to keep progressing, we must find a way to rectify this giant chasm dividing us. We just must. And the only way to do that is conversation conversation conversation. We must press this issue as long as it takes until it is resolved. We have to.

@zurew 1) What claims has RFK made that are comparable to this? The things he is saying are very concrete and he claims to have the facts to back it up. 2) Let's hope it happens!

If RFK is truly such a dishonest person, then his claims shouldn't be able to hold up in a proper debate. It should be very easy to bring an end to his ideas once and for all. Yet, everybody seems to run away from a debate, making every excuse under the sun.

Made me laugh! It's all good

Fair enough, but you do have a pattern of talking like that. And it certainly comes across as egotism. You may disagree. Probably you are just better at identifying what egotism is than most people

Can I ask you a serious question? I am struggling to square your behavior with your teachings. For example, you often talk about the power of not-knowing. Yet at the same time, you walk around talking about how you know everything better than everybody else. Here's what I would imagine a truly mature perspective would sound like : 'I have these certain suspicions that x might be y or z, but really I have no idea.' So when you talk about getting into these deep states of not-knowing and transcending ego, and then you come out and pretend to know exactly what's going on about everything and even say things like 'I am much better informed on news than most people', sounding almost trumpian, ya sure there ain't a little bit of ego left in there? Leo, I love you man, and I am grateful to you for walking this path of using psychedelics as your primary method for all of us to see and learn from, but from where I'm standing it really looks like you have become delusional. My theory is that due to excessive use of psychedelics, maybe because you were impatient, or because you were afraid of failure, you have jumped vital developmental steps and as a result created this monstrosity of a spiritual ego. And you just can't seem to see it. Now you are stuck in exploring ever deeper states, but never being one step closer to realizing the absolute, because you have actually abandoned that path a long time ago. All you have left to do now is to go from turtle to turtle, getting ever more entrenched in the illusion of progress while still being as stuck in the most fundamental of levels as ever. At least that's how I see it. In any case, I am looking forward to see where this whole thing leads. If nothing else, you are certainly one of the most unique and interesting human beings around. Peace.

Phew. Glad to see you truly are as intellectually rigorous as you always claim. The level of analysis is unparalleled!

@LFMorpheus I've got just the thing for you. In Her Infinite Eye, by Evan Rock. Very little known book, I actually only heard of it because I used to follow the author on youtube back in the day. It's very well written and I was blown away by the story. Basically a matrix-style sort of thing with themes of conscious living and psychedelics paired with some pretty neat science fiction. Really great read, you will not be disappointed. https://rb.gy/u3oty

Nature loves courage, and responds to it by removing obstacles. That’s something Terence McKenna once said quoting the mushroom. Worth keeping in mind I would also say that this is a very valuable place to be because it is here that the spiritual rubber meets the road. It’s one thing to have nice ideas about oneness and the interconnectedness of all things and maybe have had some peak experiences, but everybody can have that. In these moments however, is when the possibility for real transformation occurs. Because there is a very real sense of fear present with you, now it is not just theoretical anymore, but you are actually afraid of [fill in the blank]. So I would invite you to use this as a doorway into your most deeply held beliefs. Get very introspective and examine it closely. And question EVERYTHING. As long as there is still fear, there is still ego. Not my will, but thy will be done.

I would recommend LSD. In my experiences it has often had a very psychoanalytical feeling to it and I‘ve heard other people describe the same thing. I remember coming off of an LSD experience once and thinking that this must have been equivalent to one year of intense psychotherapy. Of course it doesn‘t do the work for you, but it takes all of the things that you would rather not look at, enlargens them and then pries your eyes open so you don‘t have a choice but to deal with it.

Stage blue choosing suicide over facing the transformational dilemma (Javert from Les Misérables)

My two cents on the issue: I discovered Tate at the beginning of last year and watched some of his stuff over a few days. I found the experience very healing. Growing up in a world where authentic expressions of masculinity are frowned upon and demonized, it was a breath of fresh air to have someone who is so unapologetically masculine. It helped me see the parts of myself that had been conditioned into suppressing or denying honest masculine impulses. Point being though, that after a few days, I moved on. I took what I needed, said thank you, and went my way. So I‘m not making judgments about his character as a whole, and why would I? I‘m not in the judgment-making-business, I‘m in the waking-the-hell-up-business. And when someone offers me something that can help me take a step forward, I graciously take it. Doesn‘t matter what packaging it gets delivered in. Might be an ugly, stinking, rat infested piece of cardboard box, or it might be a shiny, sparkling, neatly wrapped Christmas present. Don‘t care, doesn‘t matter.

Jed Mckenna and Adya I consider these to be fully truth realized. Although I am aware that I have no way of knowing since I‘m not realized myself. However, if I was to bet, I would choose these. Maybe in a few years I‘ll come back to this and laugh at how foolish I was. Or I‘ll be amazed at how I intuitively got it right. Either way, I think the point is that it doesn‘t matter what anyone else is or isn‘t. All that matters is that “I“ get there. A teacher can take many forms, and ultimately all teachers have to be transcended anyway. Take what‘s valuable and throw away the rest. I will be eternally grateful to Eckhart Tolle, as he was my first. He kindled the flame inside me. But now I haven‘t touched his book in years. Same with others. Jed Mckenna turned my world upside down. Reading Damndest was like a continual slap in the face. It sobered me out of a lot of silly things, and especially the belief that the answer is somewhere out there. But now it‘s just words on a page to me.