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In doubt go to Ken 😄 @Irina Wolf I have been struggling with the same thing for a long time, overly sensitive periods that turn into almost stoic person as a form of self protection. It comes and goes in waves. But Hurts more, Bothers less is my way of accepting and even deeper exploring this side of me.

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This topic is not about ultimate intelligence. Don't go talking about stuff that is 3 stages beyond this topic. This is a good next step going from IQ as the main yard stick to understanding that there is more than only IQ. Later it can be transcended/unlearned if the person is ready for it.

Look into the different types of intelligences

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he is a crock or no business in doing what he is doing. Orange/Achiever is a valuable stage, use his knowledge as you see fit. But don't mistake his website is something above that. Scanning through his website, and the link, and the video in the link. I see nothing that indicates, he is above what he is teaching. If you talk about intelligence only as IQ, clear indicator you're orange/achiever. But I will respect your request to keep the rants out. I will refrain myself from this topic from now on, so people can share the information you're asking for. Good luck

This is purely a Orange/Achiever mind set. Nothing more. Dan Koe has no business talking about anything higher, because he has not achieved it for himself. His view of the higher stages are tainted and warped. The bottom line is, when you transcend Orange/Achiever, you transcend the need to be in the top 1%. Use his knowledge only for the level he's in. Use other sources to get to the Green/Plural stage. This is a good start

I'm not saying that. The discussion point broad up in this topic is about questioning the validity of the model because of the bias in the sample size. Which in a certain way I can relate too. The assumption that because of the small and Westernized sample size the theory is wrong is per definition bad science and close mindedness. An open minded person rules in the possibility that even by blind luck the model can be correct, but not scientifically proven. Disproving the model because of intellectual merit alone does not fly for me, especially when in real life I see the validity of this model in action every day. With limitations of course, it's not perfect. @Carl-Richard jokingly says that Cook-Greuter should be dropped off at an island. I live on a tiny 3rd world/under developed tropical island for in total 5 years. But yet my real life observations are just put aside in favour of intellectual theoretical assumptions. I would happily discuss the validity of the model with people who have field tested it. For now this is all swimming on the dry floor for me.

Perfect analogy for the point I'm trying to make here.

Some people want to become astronomers, some want to become astronauts Sam Neill - Jurassic Park 3 I like to get my hands dirty, not blindly believing what is being written in books. Testing theories, not blindly believing them. Not falling in the ego trap that a theory can be proven or disproven with another theory. But also aware that my sample size can have flaws in them, using theory to understand reality. Using both approaches to shape my view of reality, not blindly focussing on one. But I guess this place is lacking astronauts in favour of astronomers here.

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Did I trigger something in you? Are you taking it to personal maybe? So if being a gen z/millennial means knowing the world from your desk chair, I'm proud to be a boomer.

So much "intellectuals" here without any real life experience, all their world building is done from their desk chair behind the screen and books. Travel, visit 3rd world/developing countries, and you will see the merit of experience and testing theories. These models do hold up in real life. Yes, there are limitations and some flaws. Flaws in the models and flaws in interpretations. You people are falling into the same trap as the TS was accusing Cook-Greuter of. Model based on theory, so your answer is, fighting theory with theory. Some people like to throw in difficult and strong philosophical terms. That shows even more for me the lack of real world experience. For me it's the equivalent of the image of intellectuals sitting in the big arm chairs smoking pipes. Getting high of their own intellectualism that's not grounded in anything anymore. Intellectuals debating different intellectual approaches, is the same as two religions discussing each others flaws, in the end they don't see there own epistemic flaws. Especially for the young people here. TEST your thoughts and ideas in the real world.

I highly respect John Kiriakou (former CIA agent and whistleblower of the US torture program). He has been in prison for exposing the torture program. In this world there is a high price to pay for high integrity. He has been on several podcasts, most are centered around his time in the CIA and the workings of the CIA Some good insights here in the working of the CIA and governments. This interview goes deeper in his life and geo political topics. Worthy to be listened too.