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You're right. I would have rather said "convenient"; something like that. You can declare rape as being bad if it pleases you, but fundamentally it's not for a such subjective reason it's forbidden. It's forbidden because it's a sociopathic behaviour who hurt others humans and their entourage; so the balance of power and interests has resulted to the fact that if you have the idea to rape another human some people will come to your house in uniform to put you in Jail. So what. Yes Are you saying that life isn't worth living if you're going to have problems and die. If that's the case it's a projection of neurosis, of a mood disorder; it's as simple as that. Yes Industrial farm doesn't really mean much. A pig can be fine in a typical industrial farm, and chickens can be stressed and cramped in "free-range" farms. As a general rule, if I had to eat less meat, I would eat less chicken; a chicken produces much less meat, of course, but you can be pretty sure that a pig or a cow will be better cared for.

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I wasn't talking about being a gentle/intelligent man, I'm talking about this persona of "I'm the lean guy in a white shirt who gives serious looks in videos, who makes videos about lying/maturity, who has a protocol even for sex, who talks about black pill but not too much because I'm a serious democrat and not want to be confunded with a stupid MAGA fan of Andrew Ta...", this mask lol; You know what i'm talking about There is no such thing as a "real man." Thinking that will feminize you because it's a mental construct of subjugated individuals; there's an ideal of you imposed by a third party that you must conform to; that's what I was talking about regarding the defense mechanisms of identifying with the father to calm castration anxiety and so on. If it's truly your game to be as masculine as possible, then masculinity consists of having the phallus: If you work to buy yourself a collection of Mr. Potato Head toys lol, it's weird and random yes but it's still masculine. If you work to be a serious great yogi blablabla because you have to, then it means you don't see yourself as the phallus/the law, and that's feminin and feminizing as a result; literally you will see that you function in the second way, the more mannered you will be and have submissive fantasies (sexual or simply your worldview). It's not a question of what, but of why. Because "it's necessary," because "it's good," "it's normal," "it's ethical," "it's mature," etc., etc. -> you're in the realm of being (being your ideal self) -> the phallus (power) is projected outwardly -> Feminization. Hence the fact that women like to wear makeup etc; to "add" to themselves; because they are in the realm of being. Because "I want to," "It pleases me," "It's interesting," "It pisses me off not to do it, etc." -> you're in the realm of having (in the symbolic realm) -> you possess the phallus (you're in "your own fantasy") -> Masculinization. I'll make a thread soon to tidy this up.

Morality is just a thing in your head. There's nothing special about clear-cutting a forest to do things there. Lol what do you narrate Animals exist because you make them reproduce among themselves in large numbers. Your idea is unclear, perhaps you could rephrase it 👍 It was to troll you a little, in reality nobody is going to bother raising livestock in the desert/a place where there is nothing yes. Industrial farm is a very broad term; it basically refers to farms that aren't certified organic. But yes of course, there's bad stuff there.

You debunk nothing. I don't think you understand. I come from the French countryside; I've visited loads of farms; I know people including in my family who work in this sector; I know loads of people who have chicken coops; I'm even friends with people who are studying agriculture. You're an American city girl and the YouTuber you mention next is a metrosexual from London lol It reminds me of when I was in high school and debating with vegans in the comments, they look like bots. I have nothing particular to say in response because it is essentially a mixture of pseudo-puritanical idealism and bigs propagandistic bullshits.

It's normal to transform nature. Actually the best way to fertilize a soil would be to raise livestock on it.

These are traits often found in people with low testosterone, those taking neuroleptics, or those with autism. Men tend to be more stoic, but this is often a form of detachment; testosterone has a similar effect on the central nervous system to ketamine or opioids; therefore, you are also supposed to be fun and reassuring. If that's not the case then this is the first explanation.

It's you who started talking about humans and posing this dilemma; it came from you. I don't know what you're talking about, you bug lol. You mentioned animal exploitation and such, and I told you that there are plenty of animal farms, if not most, that are good and have a concrete economic and ecological purpose. Then you suggested that it's still not fair because I don't want to be killed. Well yes but I'm a human so I project myself into the future a lot which a cow doesn't do, and especially unlike me a cow only exists to be eaten; so there's no alternative where the cow is left alone, it makes no sense. We make judgments like this when we don't actually have any answers to offer. You're repeating yourself. And no, it's not a horrible option; you too live a completely interdependent life, and one day you're going to die, and it might be very painful. Ditto So what; you use other human for pleasure too. So what. It's like you're projecting depression or something. Animals have the right to live if their living conditions are normal; especially if there are also third-party interests involved. No, the countries where people live the longest, are the tallest, strongest, have the largest brain volumes, the best skin, and the best teeth are the countries where they eat the most animal products. There are slightly more centenarians than average who are vegan, but older people tend to reduce their meat consumption, especially red meat, due to the decrease in stomach acid and digestive enzymes. Statistically, there are even more centenarians who smoke, lol; so it's not really worth much. Technically, you can be vegan and healthy and even grow up well; but it's more complicated. What suffering are you talking about Yes there are horrible farms but it's the same for humans; there are plenty of humans who are mistreated at work and are abnormally underpaid. That doesn't mean the problem is that we have humans in existence lol; the problem is being underpaid. As I said earlier, you will live your life in total interdependence and may eventually die violently (accident, heart attack, cancer...); that's its nature. It's just narcissistic rage. What's the problem. It's just a straw inserted into the vulva for a few seconds to produce insemination; it only lasts a few seconds. The calves are temporarily separated from their mothers because otherwise they tend to die from diarrhea, and suckling often causes mammary infections. The calf is separated for a few weeks, and anyway, you're anthropomorphizing cows; a cow basically forgot about her calf in 48 hours, lol. Once again, you're swallowing the misanthropic vegan nonsense but don't know how things really work. You don't need to do that to get milk-fed veal, and it's a marginal production. You're talking nonsense. No because humans are not farm animals. It's truly a misanthropic delirium frankly.

@Emerald The goal of life is to experience pleasure. Basically the more you believe you don't have the right to experience "normal" pleasure the more you will, in order to repress pain and remain functional, operate more or less in a pleasure-oriented way, projecting your desire onto others with negative emotions and elevating deprivation to a value system. Instead of seeking out "normal" objects of pleasure, you will take your frustration and find ways to play with it; this is "sadistic anal" regression, where excrement (frustration) is used as a substitute for the phallus (basically, power, the ultimate meaning behind all objects of desire). In this configuration, the personality does indeed tend to be more split, with: - A phase of "retention," which is roughly the default mode; an inclination towards a superficial pseudo-stoicism, routine, a scrupulous lifestyle (diets, religion, politics, etc.), and masochism in general. -Sometimes there are "outbursts" with sadistic behaviors/thoughts. Generally, it's men who tend to develop this type of obsessive-compulsive neurosis; but depending on your family structure and early experiences (if you've been treated unkindly), it can shift towards a hysterical (or even psychotic or phobic) configuration, although neurosis is often more prevalent than psychosis. I'm not saying you're neurotic for no reason; neurosis exists when there's chronic dissatisfaction accompanied by defense mechanisms (projecting things onto others).

Your exemple is sily because their quality of food is the sine qua non condition to their existence. The real dilemma is would you rather be killed after a decent life (ideally) to be eaten, or would you rather have never been born? In this case the first option is a net positive. And again it's true that humans avoid killing each other but you still experience interdependence; just in a different way.

Animals are also natural insecticides; If you have a vegetable garden it's great to have chickens because they eat everything they find. I recently saw a documentary showing that crabs were being raised in rice paddies for this very reason, this time on a large scale.

It was on another topic. I was saying that there was no problem with most farms where the animals had a decent life, were killed by stunning, created plenty of jobs and a source of local food that could be produced everywhere, and the main source of fertilizer including for monocultures.

Yes but meat consumption is also strongly correlated with a longer life expectancy. Anyway I don't care about those studies; deep down you know exactly what you should ideally eat to be healthy. Following diets is just neurotic self-flagellation against your cravings and your local culture, just to give cravings to people who know nothing about the current state of your metabolism. Just as most people wouldn't want to start chasing their neighbor with a machete if the law disappeared, most people wouldn't eat nothing but pasta and soda if they could eat whatever they wanted; they would actually become quite refined, with the exception of certain compulsive and in fact mentally ill individuals. I'm willing to believe that too much red meat causes problems because I rarely crave red meat; I much prefer fish and pork.

You didn't respond to my arguments about livestock farming the other day, you're just rehashing PETA's bs. It's like if I were to describe Mexico by showing you a video of a guy being tortured by a cartel.

No, because height is far less correlated with wealth than with diet. There must also be a mineral balance factor since the French, Bosnians, Dutch, and those who eat a lot of dairies in general are taller than people from countries with high meat consumption (United States, Argentina, Japan...). https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/protein-quality-not-genes-determine-male-height.16723/ " I posted a study on the height of Dutch men - a well studied phenomenon officially explained by genes, but recently recast as one possibly due to diet. Dutch People Gained 20cm Of Height In Just 150 Years Now this new study adds more evidence to the diet hypothesis as it found a population in my native Balkans that should be (and sometimes is) even taller than the Dutch, but the realization of that potential depends on protein quality. The mountain men whose diet consists mainly of dairy, eggs and meat, realized that potential and are on average taller than the Dutch and thus the tallest in the world. However, the people with the same genes living in the bigger cities and eating commercial crap that passes as food are actually on average some of the shortest in Europe. So, once again, diet (and maybe high CO2 from living in mountains) is elucidated as the main factor that drives height and possibly overall health. It would be interesting to also see longevity charts separated within the same population groups examined by the study. I bet the mountain men also live longer and have much lower incidence of chronic diseases. So, naturally the question is this - what is good quality protein vs. poor quality protein? Well, it's in the quotes below but basically animal protein rules and cereals/grains are crap. Tell that to the vicious vegan munching on a his heap of grass next to you in the cafeteria Finally, if people in B&H are expected to continue growing depending on their diet then we can chalk height - one of the holliest pillars of geneticism - off to diet and socioeconomis conditions. If height is not due to genes then I don't see much hope for the genetic theory of diseases. I suppose it also means we should all be focusing on animal protein to realize our genetic height potential, and Ray's assertions that he grew an inch and a half in his 40s due to using DHEA may be actually due to his insistence on consuming animal protein instead of plant one The mountains of giants: an anthropometric survey of male youths in Bosnia and Herzegovina | Open Science Move Over, Dutch Men. Herzegovinians May Be Tallest in World | American Council on Science and Health "...The Dutch are famous for windmills, impressive feats of geoengineering, and being tall and blonde. At a towering 183.8 cm (just over 6 feet tall), Dutch men are widely hailed as the tallest in the world. But new data suggests that men from regions within the Balkan country of Bosnia and Herzegovina (B&H) are even taller. The inhabitants of B&H display a large variation in average height. This is due to a combination of factors, such as genetics, religion, and socioeconomics. B&H is a multiethnic country, so the genetic background of its citizens is varied. Religion influences a person's dietary choices (e.g., Muslims avoid pork), while socioeconomic status affects the nutritional value of the food that a person can obtain. Just over half the population of B&H is Muslim, and the country is one of the poorest in Europe."