Basman

People miss the more obvious and basic point of civic consent. Letting in a bunch of migrants is not so much the issue as much as it is if the people feel that they gave permission to that policy. Democracy means to negotiate policy but that step has largely been skipped till now relative to migration. Now many parties risk losing power to far-right parties that speak directly to people's grievances about migration. Many parties changed their tune promptly now recently. It's a democratic game. When people moralize or try to argue as if your intellectually wrong what they are really doing (in effect) is trying to circumvent the democratic game and strong arm policy. There has to be a vote, which means you can lose (but maybe win another time). And right now pro-migration seems to be losing readily.

Civil consent is the real issue. If you skip democracy then soon enough you won't have one anymore. 60k people rushing a border is unacceptable, regardless of who does it. Cry racism all you want.

Lets not derail into Israel bashing. The connection between the border rush and Israel is tenuous any way.

Like, all Russian media is super depressing. I can't think of any cheery media from that part of the world. Everyone dies tragically.

Sounds fun. Plenty of casual sex with hippie hipster girls.

No I don't think so. Not the exact mix of interests and style of moderation. Talking points you commonly see here would easily get you banned elsewhere for one, speaking from experience. Anything Reddit is going to be shit. Gas station weed tier. Ragebaited by idiots all day.

Since when do Americans have a say over another country's affairs like that? It's a complete non-starter.

Five. Hundred. Migrants.

There's some conjecture that the incident was largely caused by the Morocco government wanting to punish Spain for dealing with Algeria, who they are in conflict with, similar to Bulgaria with Poland. They apparently done it before with the border incident in 2021. The Spanish government won't acknowledge that for political reasons though, if true.

I don't see Europe taking in the same amount of people as during the war on terror again any time soon, even with the added pressure caused by the climate crisis.

I've heard that convicts who became religious often have some sort of vision or mystical experience with angels and shit. Crazy stuff.

What is Africa doing in Spain?

Part of the problem is that illegitimate migrants think that they stand a chance. It's a soft system. Try that shit anywhere else you might not even get the chance to just walk back home, like 25k of those Morocco ended up doing when there was no accommodation miraculously waiting for them. There's a tension between human rights and border control that needs to be negotiated. I err towards control of the border as I don't think the alternative is politically viable. You can't have a state who's borders people feel are insecure. It's the crux of liberalism, how loosening of restrictions tends to lead to instability and fragmentation. Then you get hordes of people risking their lives rushing a border for no realistic gain. 57 have already died during this picnic. Shouldn't have happened in the first place. It is interesting to note how the vibe has changed since the 2010s on migration. It's seen much more as a nuisance now politically.

The holocaust was caused by Nazi Germany and the fascistic need to manufacture enemies. Criticizing Israel, even if conspiratorial, isn't suddenly going to lead to Jewish genocide. That is ridiculously untrue. The holocaust card is so tired now, it's starting to get pathetic. Crocodile tears from a genocidal state.

Leto seems like the brand of creep to give unsolicited close ear whispering. Brrrrr 🥶