Basman

Are you being denied this treatment right now? What can you do to get the treatment you need right now?

From being stereotyped unfairly you mean? Or from being sexual abused, if you don't mind me asking?

You shouldn't take the most extreme voices as representative of the general vibe. Yeah, some people feel strongly about Trump for example but there are often good reason for that if you are willing to listen and give the benefit of the doubt. A lot of discourse on social media deteriorates because A) the loudest and most extreme floats to the top and B) people don't tend to give the benefit of the doubt when someone sounds stupid or dramatic even though they might have a point to a certain degree. Just don't take it so seriously.

Yeah, stereotyping around male victims of sexual abuse is problematic, but wanting to kill yourself over it is a bit alarming, no? Consider seeking treatment if you often feel like that.

I think this discussion has a definition a problem as it hinges on what you define "natural" to mean exactly. Arguably, there is nothing inherently unnatural about social constructs as its an expression of how humans survive. If you take away the ability to socially construct and create culture you take away what it means to be human. In my opinion, there's nothing unnatural about sports and games. Its a natural way to hone our cooperation skills and exert ourselves in a safe way among various other things. Stone-Age people likely had games of some kind to. Prehistoric caves in Japan have paintings depicting wrestling on the walls. If you do physical exercises with no socially constructed rules that would deem it a sport they would be simply be exercises or play. You'd eventually grow bored and think of limitations and rules to make things interesting.

What makes porn low-conscious is that its sex and sex is an inherently a low-conscious need. I like the drug dealer example above. There are degrees of consciousness within being a fentanyl dealer but your still just selling fentanyl at the end of the day.

Why is suffering even a problem from the perspective of enlightenment? Surely, not wanting to suffer is a human/creature bias and irrelevant to enlightenment. Just spitballing.

No not necessarily, but porn is inherently low conscious and base. There can be degrees of low consciousness in my opinion. Art, like hentai, can have aspects such as beauty which elevates it above being just porn (but only from an artistic perspective). Its also a matter of what do people want. If they want their porn raw and dirty then that is what they'll get.

This isn't how wise and spiritual people argue. Your a glorified keyboard warrior, ala Reddit, which is why I hardly take anyone seriously here. Just look how defensive you get. Of course, if you have success then loftier spiritual goals are appropriate but that is not the case for the majority. The problem is that your survival needs infect how you approach life so it is better to just be honest and take things step by step instead. That is not devilry. Devilry is abusing spirituality which is what am trying to avoid. There is too much virtue signaling going on in my opinion.

Any stories of bad wingmen?

Can you prove that suffering is a choice? I'm genuinely interested in what you think. I think most of you would benefit way more from just earning more money, getting therapy, getting laid more, living a more successful life in the conventional ways, etc. 99% of the time, the conventional works in my opinion so I'm going to promote that over lofty spiritual ideals. Spiritual fantasy gives the ego license to dabble in self-improvement without truly committing to action, so you just stay stuck spinning your wheels while fancying yourselves geniuses. What I reject is the romanticization by phonies. Most of you are naked emperors as far as I'm concerned and you are not getting an inch of credibility.

Referring to the last paragraph? What is so devilish about rejecting the notion of "spiritual salvation"? Isn't devilry when you abuse spirituality to give your ego license to act out? Maybe your just a dogmatic fool.

Your going to suffer no matter what you do in life, but there are degrees of suffering and if you live a good life then the good feelings will far outweigh the suffering. If you are going to suffer no matter what, why not throw yourself at something that excites you? Suffering can be meaningful and a learning experience, so its not all bad. By the sounds of it, you either need to grow a spine or your genuinely suffering due to some abnormality, in which case I recommend you seek help. You don't have to suffer helplessly. The problem with spirituality online is that so many of you are just seeking to escape suffering as opposed to being curios or following some kind of calling. This kind of escapism leads to so much floundering and weird fantasies that don't serve you. Enlightenment won't solve your problems.

Bad example perhaps... Not saying that porn is inherently unhealthy by the way. More so trying to illustrate sex and porn as something that is inherently base compared to other things.

Women are more socially harmonious in my opinion but the majority of philosophers and great thinkers throughout history have been men. I don't think that is evidence of men being smarter or more conscious than women in of itself but it think that women derive more from connection than men do and therefor are on average less motivated by the significance of reality itself. For example Teal Swan appeals mostly to women and crystal feminists and her content is largely about connection and feelings. Not so much why something is, but maybe I'm conflating understanding with consciousness in an erroneous way. Just spitballing.

You are going to reach more people with frozen pizza than gourmet cuisine because its more base. Of course there are different degrees of depth and quality within porn like how there are different degrees of frozen pizza. But frozen pizza is still junk food.

There are way more risks and costs for women than men sexually and they depend more on social resources on average. Its then natural to gravitate towards commitment and social value.

I think making porn can have elements of higher consciousness as an artistic pursuit but simply consuming porn will hardly reach the same height. Porn is about titillation at the end of the day.

Simon Bisley's art:

ORANGE 10 YELLOW 9 RED 7 GREEN 5 BLUE 2 TURQUOISE 1

What you consider an appropriate reaction is relative. October 7th is convenient for the current Israel government to invade and attack Gaza.

That doesn't change the fact that sex is still relatively base assuming my earlier assertions are true. Also, in my opinion quality should refer to how well something is made on a technical level instead of how high or low conscious it appears to be.

Dude, what is this formatting? You don't strictly need a deeper state of awareness to enjoy breathing or sex but a deeper state of awareness can make those experiences richer whereas certain experiences cannot be experienced without a deeper state of consciousness, like a spiritual awakening. That is the distinction. Its not about difficulty but relative complexity and depth. Parents love their children and are deeply attached on a primal level but they don't necessarily love other people's children. To appreciate children on a deep level takes deliberate conscious thought, which makes it high-conscious. Don't forget your a glorified rat at the end of the day. Humans are just animals. Be careful of projecting the absolute unto the relative.

It might be hard to appreciate when you have been inundated with Leo's concepts for years but his ideas are actually quiet radical and challenging a lot of the time. Going straight to a philosophical conclusion like "everyone acts from good intentions" without building your case will necessarily lead to arguments because they are often upsetting. Like the idea that everyone acts from good intentions can come of as dismissive of legitimate bad experiences. You know that is not true, but you also listened to hours of content explaining why that is. When you challenge a paradigm, it is better to frame it as a question instead of a definite statement. For example: "don't you think that Hitler had good intentions relative to his people or even just himself? Like, how is it possible for someone start a world war without good intentions?" Sometimes people will just feel upset at an idea as a knee jerk reaction no matter how well you explain yourself. They might soften their stance later once they get over it.

That's my point, yes. being enlightened or highly conscious doesn't change anything fundamentally. Anyone can enjoy sex but not anyone can appreciate self-actualization, high art or deep states of awareness. That is a level of complexity beyond base needs that most people don't experience normally. Porn and blood sports are low-conscious because they are inherently less complex forms of pleasure. Even with the breathing example, you have to breath consciously as part of a practice to reach a deep state of consciousness as opposed to just breathing normally with no awareness. That is a distinction between higher and lower you have to make yourself in order to make that example.