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There is a clear difference between fantasy and tangible actions. If you play a lot of video games, you are typically engaging in violent fantasies. That doesn't mean you are going to kill people in real life. Or another example, a lot of women fantasize about getting raped. Doesn't mean they actually want to get raped.

Buts it is just a doll. There a plenty of pedophiles who aware of how harmful their sexual desire would be if acted on a child and spend their whole life suppressing their urges. Some even get their balls snipped to get rid of their urges. From a Kantian perspective, these pedophiles are highly moral (in a good way) since they are actively resisting the urge to do evil. What are you supposed to do if you are born or made "evil"? What does it matter if they have sex with a doll?

Yes.

Its not equivalent. They are dolls. What you are reacting against is the sexual fantasy of a pedophile. Not explicit consumption of child porn in of itself. I'm playing devil's advocate, but who is getting hurt here? And yes it is largely illegal to own these dolls as far as I'm aware. I also believe that realistic depictions of children in sexual art is also illegal (there being a distinction between "realistic" and "loli" for instance). That would be the point of a child sex doll lol.

I understand that things are difficult for you. It sounds like you have some serious mental health issues and I'd implore you to consider what options are available to you in terms of treatment or support. Be careful of blaming others excessively for your predicament. It doesn't really benefit you and can make you hopeless. Hope is a lot about how you choose to frame your situation. Consider that have the freedom to choose to see your situation as changeable.

Sounds like a foregone conclusion to me. that is the insidious self-sabotage of incel ideology, to justify complacency, apathy and self-loathing. It is in a sense easier than having to try at life.

Are you being denied this treatment right now? What can you do to get the treatment you need right now?

From being stereotyped unfairly you mean? Or from being sexual abused, if you don't mind me asking?

You shouldn't take the most extreme voices as representative of the general vibe. Yeah, some people feel strongly about Trump for example but there are often good reason for that if you are willing to listen and give the benefit of the doubt. A lot of discourse on social media deteriorates because A) the loudest and most extreme floats to the top and B) people don't tend to give the benefit of the doubt when someone sounds stupid or dramatic even though they might have a point to a certain degree. Just don't take it so seriously.

Yeah, stereotyping around male victims of sexual abuse is problematic, but wanting to kill yourself over it is a bit alarming, no? Consider seeking treatment if you often feel like that.

I think this discussion has a definition a problem as it hinges on what you define "natural" to mean exactly. Arguably, there is nothing inherently unnatural about social constructs as its an expression of how humans survive. If you take away the ability to socially construct and create culture you take away what it means to be human. In my opinion, there's nothing unnatural about sports and games. Its a natural way to hone our cooperation skills and exert ourselves in a safe way among various other things. Stone-Age people likely had games of some kind to. Prehistoric caves in Japan have paintings depicting wrestling on the walls. If you do physical exercises with no socially constructed rules that would deem it a sport they would be simply be exercises or play. You'd eventually grow bored and think of limitations and rules to make things interesting.

What makes porn low-conscious is that its sex and sex is an inherently a low-conscious need. I like the drug dealer example above. There are degrees of consciousness within being a fentanyl dealer but your still just selling fentanyl at the end of the day.

Why is suffering even a problem from the perspective of enlightenment? Surely, not wanting to suffer is a human/creature bias and irrelevant to enlightenment. Just spitballing.

No not necessarily, but porn is inherently low conscious and base. There can be degrees of low consciousness in my opinion. Art, like hentai, can have aspects such as beauty which elevates it above being just porn (but only from an artistic perspective). Its also a matter of what do people want. If they want their porn raw and dirty then that is what they'll get.

This isn't how wise and spiritual people argue. Your a glorified keyboard warrior, ala Reddit, which is why I hardly take anyone seriously here. Just look how defensive you get. Of course, if you have success then loftier spiritual goals are appropriate but that is not the case for the majority. The problem is that your survival needs infect how you approach life so it is better to just be honest and take things step by step instead. That is not devilry. Devilry is abusing spirituality which is what am trying to avoid. There is too much virtue signaling going on in my opinion.

Any stories of bad wingmen?

Can you prove that suffering is a choice? I'm genuinely interested in what you think. I think most of you would benefit way more from just earning more money, getting therapy, getting laid more, living a more successful life in the conventional ways, etc. 99% of the time, the conventional works in my opinion so I'm going to promote that over lofty spiritual ideals. Spiritual fantasy gives the ego license to dabble in self-improvement without truly committing to action, so you just stay stuck spinning your wheels while fancying yourselves geniuses. What I reject is the romanticization by phonies. Most of you are naked emperors as far as I'm concerned and you are not getting an inch of credibility.

Referring to the last paragraph? What is so devilish about rejecting the notion of "spiritual salvation"? Isn't devilry when you abuse spirituality to give your ego license to act out? Maybe your just a dogmatic fool.

Your going to suffer no matter what you do in life, but there are degrees of suffering and if you live a good life then the good feelings will far outweigh the suffering. If you are going to suffer no matter what, why not throw yourself at something that excites you? Suffering can be meaningful and a learning experience, so its not all bad. By the sounds of it, you either need to grow a spine or your genuinely suffering due to some abnormality, in which case I recommend you seek help. You don't have to suffer helplessly. The problem with spirituality online is that so many of you are just seeking to escape suffering as opposed to being curios or following some kind of calling. This kind of escapism leads to so much floundering and weird fantasies that don't serve you. Enlightenment won't solve your problems.

Bad example perhaps... Not saying that porn is inherently unhealthy by the way. More so trying to illustrate sex and porn as something that is inherently base compared to other things.

Women are more socially harmonious in my opinion but the majority of philosophers and great thinkers throughout history have been men. I don't think that is evidence of men being smarter or more conscious than women in of itself but it think that women derive more from connection than men do and therefor are on average less motivated by the significance of reality itself. For example Teal Swan appeals mostly to women and crystal feminists and her content is largely about connection and feelings. Not so much why something is, but maybe I'm conflating understanding with consciousness in an erroneous way. Just spitballing.

You are going to reach more people with frozen pizza than gourmet cuisine because its more base. Of course there are different degrees of depth and quality within porn like how there are different degrees of frozen pizza. But frozen pizza is still junk food.

There are way more risks and costs for women than men sexually and they depend more on social resources on average. Its then natural to gravitate towards commitment and social value.

I think making porn can have elements of higher consciousness as an artistic pursuit but simply consuming porn will hardly reach the same height. Porn is about titillation at the end of the day.

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