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I awish his name was something like Jesus of Ceos, or Jesus et Pharmikon, i mean, not Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, 'gah i hate that, its like trying to be 'izaiah christendome (Messiah Massiachyah in Hebrew) like deliberate doublets of who they literally are, typeve thing. Like, Theres something very Gaul/Latin/Thracian, or like something very broken about that naming scheme that departs from Greek, Latin, Like iuno, its generating its own universe of names and language suddenly, like its 3rd BC i wanna say was *tria nomina naming in Rome, then 5th Century AD it collapses, and theres the window of antiquity where everyones names are just like, buried under so many influences, its hard to tell if its revealing something, or if there names were just that literal, Pontus (Personification of the Sea) Pirate? C'mon. Fk these names dude.

Im watching this episode today, granted im only on the first 5 minutes, and its still Hamilton Moris giving his introduction to what the episode is to be about (im farther along now, and 1st 40 mins., we're on the topic of medicine, which touches on Medea, the sorceress and an accomplished pharmakís, a worker in pharmakeía or aka, medicinal magic, and the larger traditions around Ancient Medicine... @44:30 we get into the Jesus stuff) And ive already watched lots and lots of episodes on Jesus and the possible pedo-like behavior, and what ive learned ~separate from facing that issue directly~ is more on the Ancient Pirating side of things, and how what we would call *magic and ritual today, was often infused w/ the world and the ancient beliefs of these peoples, or atleast, it took on different forms. And certainly, you had things like the Sabbath (sabato) or the Greek word σαβά that has a very specific meaning, αιχμαλωσία, or more specifically "captivity"; Not that anyone knows about this, As most bible scholars believe it to be related to "Shabbat", but little do they know that thats based on the common Greek words and definitions, i.e., captivity, or effectively "prisoners". Its important to understand how ppl taken + forced to serve, were effectively captives, prisoners, atleast at first this is how you would see it (and how we would see it now). If they stayed aboard and worked, they might be treated as part of the crew, whether willingly or not (also look up "the selling of people in antiquity") These are terms & idea used initially to describe the latter era of Pirates and Jewish sects dedicated to the trade of individuals, selling, recruiting, pressed-ganged into λῃστεία (leisteía), piracy or the pirate life. People use the bible to define terms, and what you end up w/ is issues, because the Bible is not directly historical. All the events depicted in the Bible have been compressed down to almost zilch, losing all the necessary context and quality in order to derive terminology, and yet terminology is derived from it ~as if you can use the bible for such terminology~ So some things are pointing to actual events, where as others are additions. So i dont really know, or have a clue how to illuminate the texts or pages/fragments that speak to such interactions w/ children. In my opinion, it is more of a story about children / teenagers press-ganged as recruits or slaves, those to be press ganged as pirates within Pirate crews, or into the pirate life generally, as pirating and trade was so significant, Again it is well attested in trade, like w/ such people as Lydia (or simply a Lydian woman?), an early convert of Paul the Apostles, dealing in such luxurious supplies, and apparently others close to the apostles who deal w/ substances like the purple and other trade substances speak on this too.

George Lakoff and Mark Johnson's 'Metaphors We Live By, argues that abstract thought is fundamentally grounded in bodily and practical experience. You can't reach for a metaphor you haven't lived near. A scribal class person, a Pharisee, a Temple priest, their metaphors skew toward law, purity, genealogy, text. You see that in how the Pharisees argue and think in the gospels. Their conceptual world is documentary and juridical. Likewise, Jesus (or the person writing for him) his conceptual world is tactile and material. He has all this knowledge of stone work, and other artisan skills~Even if its in that sortve, magical triplet feel, its pulling from metaphors that are based in some real place. For that reason, somethings going on w/ Jesus the Carpenter/Stonemason, or atleast... Jesus the Temple Builder, like someone who erects temples, but doesnt want theirselves to be known (possibly a freemason, or templar, whatever) i mean, no one knows what this is, but we do know the main theme. "God" is central to this, and everything is very neatly fitted to speak of it as if it was a real thing that people were talking about. I dont know, but i just see a different story unfolding, one around like, little stories: Whether they were directly relevant at the time of their inclusion, i dont know, and who cares. Its an artists rendering to me. It just so happened to have very strong conviction around it.

Lol, someone mentioned something about this clenching anus thing not too long ago -That i wanted to add something to, cause I thought of another aspect to it, And make sure yous read everything first, or yous wont know what im talking about, trust That is, based on my response to it too, which was something akin the "immune system, generally, and the anticipating of something SUDDEN, before it happens", atleast thats how i describe it when you boil it down. So when you drop down into a stillness mindset or a vacant parking lot or a desolate forest, those are all instances of having begun in a certain gear, but then having ended up *shifting gears, where your mind and body are trying to acclimate to the environment or situation or sudden change in attitude. And that was all related~As the original poster was talking about butt-clenching in certain situations and what I would probably call, outward expressions of the immune system. But i also thought about another important aspect to the overall immune system (in general) and that is this thing about the Carnival vs. Safari, specifically in the area of food, but it might also apply to other things too. That is, when you pulverize your food, atleast ive noticed, it starts tasting the same, like the flavors of a carnival, sortve this odorless cotton candy. Do yous know what im talking about? On the other hand you have the opposite, that is like, fully formed flesh of lettuce and broccoli (or full peanuts, nuts and things like this too) and like what i would call, "Tasking your body with the digesting of the whole safari". Obviously the idea is to find the middle-of-the-road, between food being not-fully-pulverized and somewhat still fully formed, but it goes to show you that theres this extreme that happens at two ends, that atleast for me ive been to these extremes so many times, and thats why im bringing them up; As it goes beyond just food, but its like, you are trying pulverize and digest what is like this ~ Almost sand, like turning everything into sand, and trying to interpret reality based on sand particles that all look identical, and that are all equally thrown into this carnival of personalities. Then you have where, you are seeing and experiencing everything in its most natural form, out in some African wood, or S. American Rainforest, or high up in the Himalayas or something like this, trying to digest the world and its manifestations in a way where they arent really in a form that can be fully digested per say. Iuno, i was curious what yous thought about that: The Carnival v. The Safari *p.s. Just because Science says things happen at a *micro- level, doesnt mean that thats how things operate, down at some micro level, because the way it really works is through surface-level patterns, and Science has conflated those patterns w/ indiscernible things.. Something for yas to think about.

Oh right, i did hear that too. I hope not. Or i do hope there was more on the menu than just ibogaine

Yeah, i question the intentions behind Trump, as it seems to be too coincidental, too much like things are happening for some reason that we cant see, but I dont know what it means. I just see the world changing, and its time for psychedelics to be legalized. I mean, i would go extreme to say all drugs ~ but hey, good enough for now. I havent even really done any drug drugs myself in awhile, and im at the age where im tryina turn people on to these Chinese tea medicines, and these esoteric things, of which i guess must take some time to get more acknowledgement, due to it not really being at the edge of everything provocative and telling. Like, iuno how i knew psychedelics were the answer at like 13, but the provocative and extreme nature of it was evident to me through the connotation. As, it is the 'extremes' that exist far out at the edge that really stick out~that can thus wake people up initially to speak. Hey, it goes back to what Socrates says about Philosophers as a minority, and the nature of those things that exist as a minority, as its outside of the perception of the masses, and public persuasion, seeing as the Philosopher cares about truth and things like this (or Aletheia, or whatever word(s) you might think of it as). True philosophers similarly will always be a minority, as most people are pulled by rep., and practical life, while philosophy demands a controlled, disciplined orientation of sorts.

I have so many fav. parts, like i even like those filler scenes, that im not sure they mean anything, but they are just so funny/awkward and yet somehow are still managing to communicate something. Like not a minute passes where something isnt being said, even through the ambiance and mystic, like (the whole aethetic im still tryina wrap my head around too, this like, Washington state, meets Canada, meets Est or Central America, Ohio or Pennsylvania, meets Nevada/Las Vegas, like that whole Country Sheriffs depa., the Twin Peaks town that looks like Silent hill in some scenes, that setting has my brain twisted up as well, granted maybe that wasn't meant to be confusing, but I was reading into it deeply anyway... Like I felt we were all over Amer., simultaneously) Oh yeah, what was this scene, like it felt like we were in 1950 or something... This was another scene that through me off (haha you are picking all the scenes that totally through me off, lol) About The Website <https://unwrappingtheplastic.com/2018/07/17/the-end-of-time/> Oh , Wow. Very neat.

Please tell me someoneon planet Earth knows what this show is from David lynch, like im tryina figure this out, but this show had some weird reboot in 2017 (given its from 91'), and yeo that sht is the best...

Oh ya ya, this was the last scene, it really through me off, Ha

Its so amazing. I just recently watched it, my lord, its so good, so weird, and so riddle-like. Im still tryina decipher wat i watched, and everynow and then, i think i got a sense for what was happening; but theres so many things interweaved throughout, that im not sure. Maybe with some more time ill stumble on to something, but its like, i mean, its one of those things where ya need more than a week... Like maybe several decades, to really peel back whats going on, or whats bein said, atleast for me, i would need a decade, Ha.

wait.. wait.. wait... Thats not how i want to describe it... Towards the end, i was leading into this thing about patterns.. But it isnt exclusive from scale, where things are starkly either this way or that way, Instead, I shouldve said this... You all *exist a the surface level, as a hierarchy of what is most prominent. And that is just speaking to the very blatant and obvious observations of who we (you) and everyone else is... Like, we experience ourselves from the most obvious perspective. Everyone knows that. Thats not what im speaking to, though its part of what im touching on... As this part that is also hard to describe too... Like, the patterns of experience are not patterned on the micro scale, nor is the micro scale a priority, though it is a consequence of a system where the surface level things have to go right, have to go *as planned, in order for it to go right/correctly. Like im saying, the priority of experience is a drastic point of experience, and the micro scale is almost irrelevant to it, HOWEVER its hard to express what that means for certain people, cause you may (and most people in the future) absolutely will find theirselves in positions where you have to sort things out in an almost scientific and technical way in order to unravvel the predicaments yous are in, like... You can absolutely find yourself in a scientific/technical places naturally, due to the scientific paradigms we find ourselves in today already. Now thats not quite the way i originally intended to explain it, but fuck it, yolo, i dont know how to explain it.

I find this interesting, as a window into the whole methodology and Philosophy beliefs of Sparta and the way people were recruited as Spartans (but just looking at it from an historical point, and how it could speak to those beliefs ~if ever discussed). So disregarding Plutarch as well, and the infant boys w/ deformities being thrown into the catacombs below, children could become what were called Spartitiates, which were children who had ancestry or some connection to Sparta; And in alot of places this is still the case, where you can gain citizenship to a place (atleast alot easier, in a certain places) if you have prior ancestry in that place~from some point in your distant past. From the age of 7, boys entered *agoge,* military training for basic obedience and endurance, so they likely were keeping a very tight, tight unit in there; And where my curiosity went last month, was i was doing research in 700 BC Sparta, when Taranto (of Italy) is founded by Spartan immigrants who get kicked out because of this stupid exception ~ Note, there are alot of little movements/interactions between tribes of Italy and Greece from Ancient times, all throughout BCE During the Messenian Wars, unions in Sparta were permitted to increase their number of soldiers, like an intermezzo and exception, in order to keep up w/ war and such, however later, those who were made citizens/soldiers were *nullified, and that later wave of Spartan sons were forced to leave Sparta; Palanthus, the Parthenuan leader, went to Delphi to thus consult the oracle, and the answer, designated by said oracle said for them to settle @ the harbour of Taranto~or the soon to be~New home of the exiles Taranto. The Partheniae arrived in Puglia region, and founded that city, naming it Tarentum after the son of Poseidon. Granted, it gets a little crazier after that, so im not gonna belabor the point. So anyway, that is just to say, they were keeping a tight shift over there in Sparta, and the political purge lead to those in the military losing their citizenship, and what we would now call "a really stupid *exception to a rule". The whole thing was stupid. And Sparta eventually became very brittle and weak because of this as well as their refusal to adapt, as in the 300-400 BCE, w/ only 700 Spartitiates, there was a decline in everything that once made Sparta so essential to the greater Greek provinces. I mean, after that point the story gets funny ~Once Rome takes over~ As well as when the Visigoths (300-400 AD) sack the city, and thats pretty much it for Sparta at that point.

This stuff is very hard to figure out, so i dont blame anyone if they cant contribute, Alas ive started reading and writing alot on this topic, and I def am interested, BUT admittedly, its one of the hardest topics to really see into. That is, if any of yous want to figure it out w/ me, this is the invitation to do just that, and to join me in figuring it out ~or to point me in a direction that might help me (us) understand the Archaic Period and Classical Greece, in order to get a better sense for what it was like, leading into the Hellenistic and Roman Periods. I was inspired by @Nemra in how he titled his thread, but i thought that i dont think theres gonna be enough books around this very specific thing that im looking at ATM, which rests on knowing "the history of the Muse and the Musician" (or just helping me to understand day to day life in Archaic/Classical Greek living), and learning about places such as Ancient Sparta and the rest of Greece, cause there's this peculiar and unrecognizable thing going on~After we come out of the Mycenaean Period to Archaic an Classical Period of Greece, specifically in terms of How the Muse is perceived, and its relationship to the Musician, we begin to see this personification of the gods through the musicians. Musicians back then were quite different: And just how Greeks experienced & thought of the Muse was quite different. The common word for Muse simply referred to rhythmic speech ... We have to figure the Muse out, cause its so complex, just in itself By the Medieval Period, we all know how the Musicians had all become more like the town jesters, or the town scryer in the way they functioned in day to day life. In stark contrast, the musician in Archaic Greece WAS the personification, they were the Metamorphoses, or a Mythological Anthropomorphism towards people not objects (characters or people), because they received the Muse and communicated it further. Im using terms that i am assuming you are familiar with, so hopefully you will looks into these terms, and what they mean in the context im talking about. Some of you might know what im talking about. Youd be surprised what weve come to learn, as far as the role of the musician and music itself is concerned, how they could subsequently evoke the muse ~or~they were the muse ~invoking through them, and being perceived as such, given their connection to the gods... And the gods are basically like, 'who the Greeks rely on for answers and for settling disputes, et caetera, etc. So, invoking the muse, to them, it was seen as this powerful thing that went beyond inspiration for some artsy means (quite the contrary), it crossed into political, social and spiritual affairs and disputes, and many more things going on in their daily lives (of course, thats is part of my question, getting to the bottom've Ancient Greece) The muse was an extension of the gods, and the musician was akin to a vehicle for that purpose. Likewise, it was the musician who would personify the Muse and play the songs that would then dictate what would happen, like they depended on the musician to say "who is stronger" or "who performed the best" or "who deserves to be heard by the oracle" or something, transferring the right of personification to the individual, and in some sense giving a voice to that individual. In some sense they even were playing the role of the oracle. These are of course the kinds of questions we want to have answered. The musician was essentially establishing what the rules and laws would be in the coming centuries. They were establishing what the language itself should be and sound like, what significance should be carried in words and their meanings, prescribing meaning and giving a voice to the things that we, in todays day and age take for granted as already having and possessing a voice. The word i use for the tradition around Greek gods is Metamorphoses: That is, the transformation of the quality within a god, likened to that of a quality we now see as something a human today may express, or possess (emotions, qualities, traits, et caetera). And the Greeks relied on the gods for those things, including answers to solve hard dilemmas, even if the musician wasnt there or the muse wasnt there, they had to really weigh on the gods for a clue as to what to do, given their devotion towards them. The Greeks have this musical language, this mode of expression that you really have to understand in order to understand them. Of course, i havent done a good job explaining just how significant the language/music was (not to mention, the gods themselves were) in everyday life, nor have I explained WHY the gods were so significant, and things like that, but that is because this topic sortve requires you to have investigated it ~im sortve asking for alot, but I believe yous will figure something out~

Yous might find the stuff in first hour interesting, And do feel free to talk bout, but i actually found the latter half, bout an hour or 2 hours in, where we are tlkin bout like all these competing departments in the universities and industries who want to get the financial support for their particular area... Like our system is so screwed up, its like, what could we do about it, i mean it seems to be the story w/ almost anything that relates to scientific research and stuff, i mean, theres potentially good science happening out there, that doesnt survive w all of the competition (or its atleast lesser known, and exists in theoretical forms in papers nd such)

It might be helpful to know the following three terms: Theomorphos, vs. metamorphoses, vs. teofania~of "theophany" Given that youll have to think of things in this way, as far as the nature of the Ancient Greeks, and whats happening in writing and speech, in regards to the tangled nature of all of those things, together. ϴεόμορφος (Theomorphos) is used when something resembles a god in form or presentation, like a human portrayed w/ divine features. Any quality, idea or concept described as having divine shape, or an artistic expression, depictions where a figure is given godlike proportions or attributes. Its sortve the transposed version of metamorphoses, whereby theomorphos describes the resembling of god in form, presentation, or god-like proportions that may take the form of metamorphoses (the manifestation or transformation of qualities that can become mortals, plants, animals, gods and events) ϴεοφάνεια, made of θεός (god) + φαίνω (to appear) Ergo a "teofania" is any moment where a god becomes perceptible in the world—seen, heard, or otherwise revealed to humans; This of course may transcend typical godly figures as manifestations within natural events instead, but still interpreted as divine presence (storm, light or voice)

This is a megalist of *100 books, granted the first part is just going through alot of whats called the Greek Collections (First Assortment) But if you continue down youll see stuff that I got from another person's reading list (its not someone from Actualized dot org, but again, its possible some of these books have been mentioned), and it includes things ive added~that i thought were missing, that seemed to fit the aesthetic of this list in particular. Some of the books on the reading list got removed, e.g., a couple books on magick i didnt find appealing since it involved things like locating a knife that is the length of a goat or something odd like this, as it just doesnt seem to be representative of the kind of esoteric/mystic (<3 divination, theurgia, spellcrafting and prayers, & vancian magick) that most people would respond to. You sortve have to look at the Greek & Roman entries into this field, or skip to the modern era, closer towards the third/fourth assortment, to get straight to the more modern writing tradition, attitude and novelettes n'poetry, or the scaffold of which everything has lead up2 So anyway, here's the list. If yous want any resources to websites and such (including words/term's definitions, or anything about Greek literature, e.g., reading material on Poseidon), feel free to ask me here. Πρωτο Reading List: First Assortment Apollonius of Rhodes, Argonautica Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica Orphic Argonautica Petrarch, The Secret Petrarch, Secretum Pindar's Odes (Olympian, Pythian, Nemean, etc.) Plutarch, Roman Questions Plutarch, Of Isis and Osiris Hesiod, Shield of Heracles Hesiod, Theogony Hesiod, Works and Days Horace, Ars Poetic Horace, Odes Horace, Satire Herodotus, Histories Palaephatus, Peri Apiston Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses Apuleius, Metamorphoses Ovid, Metamorphoses See also, Roman de la rose, il fiore, et caetera* Ovid, Art of Love Ovid, Fasti Ovid, Tristia Aristophanes, Frogs Aristophanes, Birds Aristophanes, Acharnians Aristophanes, Assembly Women Aristophanes, Knights Aristophanes, Lysistrata Aristophanes, Peace Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae Aristophanes, Wasps Library Of Diodorus Siculus Library Of Apollodorus Library Of Photius Aeschylus, Agamemnon Aeschylus, Eumenides Aeschylus, Libation Bearers Aeschylus, Persians Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes Aeschylus, Suppliant Maidens Iamblichus on the Mysteries (See 'Chaldean Oracles) Iamblichus, Life of Pythagoras Euripides, Alcestis Euripides, Andromache Euripides, The Bacchae Euripides, Cyclops Euripides, Electra Euripides, Hecuba Euripides, Helen Euripides, Heracleidae Euripides, Heracles Euripides, Ion Euripides, Iphigenia at Aulis Euripides, Iphigenia at Tauris Euripides, Medea Euripides, Orestes Euripides, Phoenician Women Euripides, Rhesus Euripides, Suppliant Women Euripides, Trojan Women Seneca, Medea Seneca, Thyestes Seneca, Phaedra Seneca, Hercules Furens Seneca, Agamemnon Seneca, Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium *(n.18, Saturnalia)* Bacchylides, Epinician Odes Dithyrambs of Bacchylides Nonnus, Dionysiaca Hyginus, Fabulae Fragments of Sappho Fragments of Simonides Fragments of Anaximander Lucian, Reading List: Second Assortment Lucian, Anacharis Lucian, A True Story Lucian, Alexander the Flase Prophet Lucian, Consonants of Law Lucian, Charon Lucian, Dance Lucian, Descent not Hades Lucian, Dialogues of Courtesans Lucian, Dialogues of the Dead Lucian, Dialogues of the Sea Gods Lucian, Double Inditement Lucian, Fisherman Lucian, Hermotimus Lucian, How to Write History Lucian, Ignorant Book Collector Lucian, On Sacrifice Lucian, On the Syrian Goddess Lucian, Parliament of the Gods Lucian, Praise of Demosthenes Lucian, Scythian Lucian, Ship or Wishes Lucian, Toxaris Lucian, Zeus Rants Miscellany, Reading List: Third Assortment Aetius of Amida, Libri Medicinales See also "Full Summary on Medea, Snake Medicine & the Context around Theriac" Hippocrates, Ancient Medicine Lucretius, De Rerum Natura Parmenides, On Nature τὰ Χαλδαϊκὰ λόγια (Chaldean Oracles): Julian the Theurgist, Julian the Chaldean Philostratus, Life of Apollonius of Tyana Galen, Opera Omnia Galen, On the Natural Faculties Pliny the Younger, Epistulae Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia Cain, A Mystery *(Lord Byron)* Aradia, Gospel of Witches Sir Arthur, A Study in Scarlet John Tzetze, Ad Lycophronem John Tzetze, Book of Histories Georg Luck, Arcana Mundi Sarah Iles Johnston, Hekate Soteira H.D., Helen in Egypt H.D., Hermetic Definition H.D., Hermione Hellenica Oxyrhynchia Antonin Artaud, Heliogabalus Ljuba Bortolani, Magical Hymns from Roman Egypt Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to King Helios Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to the Mother of the Gods Carl Ionescu, She Who Hunts Christine de Pizan, The Book of the City of Ladies Michael Marullus, Hymni Naturales Celsus, De Medicina Catullus, Poems Colluthus, Rape of Helen Pseudomonarchia Daemonum Karl Kerenyi, Dionysus Karl Kerenyi, Eluesis Karl Kerenyi, Prometheus Karl Kerenyi, Hermes Stephanie Budin, Artemis Alan Moore, Promethea Pausanias, Descriptions of Greece Sarah Iles Johnston, Restless Dead Sarah Iles Johnston, Mantike Fritz Graf, Ritual Texts for the Afterlife Walter Otto, Dionysus: Myth and Cult Walter Otto, Theophony Ludwig Klages, Cosmogonic Eros Maria Mili, Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly Henry Chadwick, Origen Contra Celsum Macrobius, Saturnalia Petronius, Satyricon Miscellany, Reading List: Fourth Assortment (in no particular order) The Derveni Papyri Athanassakis, The Orphic Hymns The Orphic Fragments of Otto Kern Thomas Taylor, The Hymns of Orpheus GRS Mead, Orpheus: The Theology of the Greeks B.P. Reardon, Collected Ancient Greek Novels Algis Uzdavinys, Orpheus and the roots of Platonism Ἑλληνιστικοὶ ποιηταί, Nicander, Alexipharmaca (from a tradition of Orphicesque Metamorphoses, Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, Sophocles, Callimachus, Alcaeus, etc.), etc. Wasson, Ruck, Hoffman, The Road to Eluesis Ekaterine Kobakhidze, Metaia Herman Hesse, Narcissus and Goldmund Federico Garcia Lorca, Blood Wedding Callimachus, Lycophron and Aratus Carmina Profana, Romulea X (Medea) Edgar Allan Poe, Ligeia Edgar Allan Poe, Morella Boccaccio, De Mulieribus Claris Satisfactio ad Guntharium James Clauss and Sarah Iles Johnston, Medea Jeffery Henderson, The Maculate Muse Jeremy Reed, The House of the Dead Madison Cawein, The Waste Land (T.S. Eliot) Jack Vance, The Dying Earth Felix Gilman, The Revolutions Edward Bulwer-Lytton, Zanoni Robert Graves, The Greek Myths Robert Graves, The White Goddess James Fraiser, The Golden Bough Peter Grey, The Red Goddess Reginald Scott, The Discovery of Witchcraft Hans Dieter Betz, The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Henry Corbin, The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism Jean-Pierre Vernant, Myth and Thought Among the Greeks Marcel Detienne's The Masters of Truth in Archaic Greece Maria Mili's Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly The Seven books of Paulus Aegineta Le Comte de Lautreamont, The Songs of Malador The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal Note, this list does not focus on Philosophy/Greater literature of Greek thought and such (maybe youd call it "philosophical foundations and such"), Alas there's another +100 books that we could've added

φύσις (phýsis) looks simple, but its got an intricate meaning in the context of Ancient Greece. The basic meaning of φύω (phýō), means "to grow" or "to bring forth" (to emerge) So physis seems like growth, or coming-into-being, the way something unfolds according to what * is * But perhaps a closer, rhetorical plain-English vers., might be, "the inner way a thing develops and shows itself" Heraclitus, Parmenides, et caetera tied physis to the ques., of "What is the real nature... of things... beneath appearances?" .. as another word to invoke the physical nature of things (among several others). In Greek medicine (Hippocrates), Physis becomes the natural constitution of the body, and the body's own tendency to heal / balance itself If you were talking about illness, you were asking how someone's physis had gone out-of-alignment. This connects to the pharmakeia and incantation, as well as modern spiritual prayer, though it is a line that is stretching far between medicine, ritual, and natural processes... into the physical, chemical, alchemical, magical, mystical, spiritual and religious. In modern times, we separate all of these things in our mind, but to Greeks, these things did not have distinct lines or divisions. We, atleast in the modern American English speaking world, are speaking of things in terms of discrete points, as opposed to continuous and infinite spectrums around us. That is, the mystical world is something we can only describe by thinking of it as a range of colors, *pointing* to different shades and colors within an infinite range. That idea is in itself a way to grow out of the basic Amer., principles, and to bring forth one's spirit towards~relating to the eternal, or how to exist within' the eternal (theres more to it) FourTwenty: 2026-04-20 04:20 Feel free to make a *420 post, in here~420 posts being just my normal posts.

Thats interesting. Ive had that author steve on my youtube since like, back when he started youtube. And although hes never landed within spiritual realms ~or rather, he starts material-practical, and leaves it open-ended, in regards to the -istemi to the more absolute epistemic thoughts and feelings, He's able to capture things in an articulated and well-spoken way, which i suppose is why he has become such an outspoken figure now in those specific target areas hes working w/ @Erybody, And i gues if anyone ever asks what is meant by absolute, epistemic thoughts and feelings (again, im borrowing the term from @gettoefl) It is comparable to a dream, you could say, because its something that exists and can be experienced, and we do think of it like a feature of reality, but its indescribable and thus separated within said reality (separated conceptually by some people who need to separate things that way). That's what the absolute is ~opposed to the absolute in some modern science realm~ the absolute can only be A) Experienced or B) Pointed toward, or only the -istemi towards it — "istemi" being a word i made up to mean "link / linked" or "channeled intention / direction" or something. You prolly have to preface w/ something like that in todays day and age (Note: We've prolly had this problem since the dawn of humanity, iuno), As so many people are confused, that is, when you go out in the world, talking to people, to those people who dont have a background in actualization or self-inquisition; which again, that is many, many people, possibly even the majority of people, theres just an overwhelming sense of speaking to those who do not have any experience w/ basic levels of self-inquiry.

Theres a few options that could help w/ this, the most obvious thing being, if you havent updated your package manager, as itll error out the packages cause of the package database not being sync'd w/ everything. I mean you might know that by now. Its jus good to remind people anyway. Try it if you havent though.

I guess whats great about Linux then, though i havent really thought of it in terms of really separating it out, given the walls or the ways we fall into our own niche, is that, you are playing w/ a puzzle that, for all intents and purposes doesnt end. I mean, thats touching on the nuts and bolts aspects, w/ regards to how you are throwing yourself into this dilemma~although its a dilemma you can absolutely solve. And then you can take it anywhere you want, i mean, people are def working on it, from the standpoint of what they like, and what they decide Linux should be, what it should do. I personally dont get too deep into it, but you can really build whatever you want, like... I was using watchamakalit, FVWM95, which i do still have on my laptop, and that was gonna be a project. Like thats one of many projects, and really its like, theres so many ways you can attack it. You know, its like, James and the Giant Peach, and theres alot of ways to bite around it, and surely ive only mentioned a very small area that I happened to be investigating when I started. I mean, because theres so many ways to view it from, theres too many possibilities and its hard to explain it from any one point~unless presented w/ the right topic/keyword... Like I mentioned "Sound/Audio", and thats like its own separate thing (one of many things). It is its own project. Some areas have been more built up, over time, and some areas of Linux are still a little behind. Like sure, the Desktops, for the most part (And last time i checked) they were a little behind. Its another project, another place to investigate, to try building it the right way~where its not all sketchy (there might be better Desktops out there, i dont know, Again im living in 1990 probably) Im just following the little voice in my head that told me someone was interested in Linux, so I continued said broadening of said interest.

@UnbornTao And if you cant be specific, then i cant be more specific, specifically for you. Its a give and take situation. If you want to know what something means, you have to learn how to use the quote feature.

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Im watchin these videos atm (p.s. he says somethin bout a series called Atlantica, but iuno wat that is, im behind on this particular area) I think these are the exact same video, though im watchin both anyway just to make sure. Now i dont know if this is jus divin deep into history on spain, nevertheless there are ancient monuments underwater, so its not like this guy is out there diving for now reason over and over again. So that is to say, someone was in spain over many, many thousands of years ago building some megaliths, granted its just been underwater so long now, and its like tryina explain the Entire story of Greece from looking at a single Doric Greek column. We have to use our imagination and see what could be our options ∆ Like theres gonna be different sides explaining the stories all throughout time, And it may be the case some stories ~before Plato were those exaggeraters, where others were against those people by people who were raised to think of Atlantis as demoted (or jus non existent) By the time it gets to Plato, the stories about it being a great city survived, but it couldve just been like the Pyramids, that is like, these unknown megaliths that dont have any function (any *obvious function that would be immediately clicking) I mean just knowing that they were built is the first step to curiosity, And the details can be considered later as we think over it, and weight the options and such... Now im at the part (@40:00 round about) where im learning about the people of Tartessos, which yet again, this is adding a whole nother layer to the story. Very interesting stuff, if yous are into it.

Eventually, I do wanna get to these other things i been working on (eventually) involving Poseidon and Atlantis, as i also feel like yous would find it all interesting, granted i dont know ifanyones mentioned Atlantis before... So its just a feeling. But for right now, and going by what the trend has been, such as in books, like The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal which ive only gotten through the first 20 pages, So i dont know if it ever describes things in terms of geography and/or family lineages, as its more akin to a prose-ified narrative or somethin', that is, someone having received the emerald tablets, who is passing down the information to us~what the tablets say/mean, and what this person learned as a result Sortve akin to divine inspiration or connection to a higher power, Poimanders to H.Trismegistus ~ but in story form, And so, that begins w/ Thoth having come from Atlantis to establish Egypt. But I was thinking there could also be something in history, where someone begins from Egypt/Africa ~more likely~ and then says "Hey, lets try boating over the lip of water here~at the coast of Libya~to see whats on the other side" And in doing that, a small commune agrees to establish that land in Europe, and something happens, and they never really get things going, or the locals there (and those who 'held back in LibYa), figure out that that 'settlement that had all the people going to Atlantis', it was very much successful, And then they decide to go over there and steal all their sht Very conniving, backstabbing, as its sortve like *secret commune that they are encroaching But also, they are ruining the history in terms of like, having broken the relationship between the Atlanteans and the Africans who are to become Egyptians. They sortve end up staggering what wouldve been a peaceful community. Nevertheless, we might say that Thoth was one of these individuals (a representative of) or a *marker, like the name "Moses" in that, many people had the name Moses~granted Moses was a real name, and im not so sure about like, how we get to the Egyptian vers., of Thoth, but i do know that its ḏḥwty (transliterated Djehuty or Tehuti) and if you pronounce that in your head [djuh-who-tee'] or [teh-who-tee'] that sounds like a real name that many people wouldve had, making it more than just a pseudonym or a characterization, but its probably like Moses or Adam, etc., like these are super common names probably. But anyway, Poseidon adds a whole nother wrinkle to the story. It is why we would have to split these two stories up, as we are opening a very weird can of worms by going in both directions, Alas i thought yous might find this interesting. And if yous have anything yous wanna add, know, or say~or if you wanna know more about the things im writing about, on Poseidon, i mean, feel free to just let it roll off the tongue. And I realize that it might be too much on ppl, too much for yas to digest. Nothin wrong w/ that.

part ii I tried looking for people who, i thought wouldve understood this instinctively (as it seems fairly obvious), cause like i thought this was just everyones assumed mind set, right? But apparently, not many people understood this, or atleast, they couldnt internalize it as such... (def., there is alot, alot, alot of ppl who havent even started on the first like, first literal stage?) As im not really saying anything different than what actualized dot org is, and its relationship to the self experience, the system, atleast from the very first point of Philosophically delving into the self. I guess thats the problem. I started looking for people, in a world where they wouldnt have already mastered self inquiry, so therefore the fundamentals around the keyboard were also sortve an unknown~atleast on that plane/dimension i was in, which is a long story as to what im speaking to~but you can imagine.