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I find this interesting, as a window into the whole methodology and Philosophy beliefs of Sparta and the way people were recruited as Spartans (but just looking at it from an historical point, and how it could speak to those beliefs ~if ever discussed). So disregarding Plutarch as well, and the infant boys w/ deformities being thrown into the catacombs below, children could become what were called Spartitiates, which were children who had ancestry or some connection to Sparta; And in alot of places this is still the case, where you can gain citizenship to a place (atleast alot easier, in a certain places) if you have prior ancestry in that place~from some point in your distant past. From the age of 7, boys entered *agoge,* military training for basic obedience and endurance, so they likely were keeping a very tight, tight unit in there; And where my curiosity went last month, was i was doing research in 700 BC Sparta, when Taranto (of Italy) is founded by Spartan immigrants who get kicked out because of this stupid exception ~ Note, there are alot of little movements/interactions between tribes of Italy and Greece from Ancient times, all throughout BCE During the Messenian Wars, unions in Sparta were permitted to increase their number of soldiers, like an intermezzo and exception, in order to keep up w/ war and such, however later, those who were made citizens/soldiers were *nullified, and that later wave of Spartan sons were forced to leave Sparta; Palanthus, the Parthenuan leader, went to Delphi to thus consult the oracle, and the answer, designated by said oracle said for them to settle @ the harbour of Taranto~or the soon to be~New home of the exiles Taranto. The Partheniae arrived in Puglia region, and founded that city, naming it Tarentum after the son of Poseidon. Granted, it gets a little crazier after that, so im not gonna belabor the point. So anyway, that is just to say, they were keeping a tight shift over there in Sparta, and the political purge lead to those in the military losing their citizenship, and what we would now call "a really stupid *exception to a rule". The whole thing was stupid. And Sparta eventually became very brittle and weak because of this as well as their refusal to adapt, as in the 300-400 BCE, w/ only 700 Spartitiates, there was a decline in everything that once made Sparta so essential to the greater Greek provinces. I mean, after that point the story gets funny ~Once Rome takes over~ As well as when the Visigoths (300-400 AD) sack the city, and thats pretty much it for Sparta at that point.

This stuff is very hard to figure out, so i dont blame anyone if they cant contribute, Alas ive started reading and writing alot on this topic, and I def am interested, BUT admittedly, its one of the hardest topics to really see into. That is, if any of yous want to figure it out w/ me, this is the invitation to do just that, and to join me in figuring it out ~or to point me in a direction that might help me (us) understand the Archaic Period and Classical Greece, in order to get a better sense for what it was like, leading into the Hellenistic and Roman Periods. I was inspired by @Nemra in how he titled his thread, but i thought that i dont think theres gonna be enough books around this very specific thing that im looking at ATM, which rests on knowing "the history of the Muse and the Musician" (or just helping me to understand day to day life in Archaic/Classical Greek living), and learning about places such as Ancient Sparta and the rest of Greece, cause there's this peculiar and unrecognizable thing going on~After we come out of the Mycenaean Period to Archaic an Classical Period of Greece, specifically in terms of How the Muse is perceived, and its relationship to the Musician, we begin to see this personification of the gods through the musicians. Musicians back then were quite different: And just how Greeks experienced & thought of the Muse was quite different. The common word for Muse simply referred to rhythmic speech ... We have to figure the Muse out, cause its so complex, just in itself By the Medieval Period, we all know how the Musicians had all become more like the town jesters, or the town scryer in the way they functioned in day to day life. In stark contrast, the musician in Archaic Greece WAS the personification, they were the Metamorphoses, or a Mythological Anthropomorphism towards people not objects (characters or people), because they received the Muse and communicated it further. Im using terms that i am assuming you are familiar with, so hopefully you will looks into these terms, and what they mean in the context im talking about. Some of you might know what im talking about. Youd be surprised what weve come to learn, as far as the role of the musician and music itself is concerned, how they could subsequently evoke the muse ~or~they were the muse ~invoking through them, and being perceived as such, given their connection to the gods... And the gods are basically like, 'who the Greeks rely on for answers and for settling disputes, et caetera, etc. So, invoking the muse, to them, it was seen as this powerful thing that went beyond inspiration for some artsy means (quite the contrary), it crossed into political, social and spiritual affairs and disputes, and many more things going on in their daily lives (of course, thats is part of my question, getting to the bottom've Ancient Greece) The muse was an extension of the gods, and the musician was akin to a vehicle for that purpose. Likewise, it was the musician who would personify the Muse and play the songs that would then dictate what would happen, like they depended on the musician to say "who is stronger" or "who performed the best" or "who deserves to be heard by the oracle" or something, transferring the right of personification to the individual, and in some sense giving a voice to that individual. In some sense they even were playing the role of the oracle. These are of course the kinds of questions we want to have answered. The musician was essentially establishing what the rules and laws would be in the coming centuries. They were establishing what the language itself should be and sound like, what significance should be carried in words and their meanings, prescribing meaning and giving a voice to the things that we, in todays day and age take for granted as already having and possessing a voice. The word i use for the tradition around Greek gods is Metamorphoses: That is, the transformation of the quality within a god, likened to that of a quality we now see as something a human today may express, or possess (emotions, qualities, traits, et caetera). And the Greeks relied on the gods for those things, including answers to solve hard dilemmas, even if the musician wasnt there or the muse wasnt there, they had to really weigh on the gods for a clue as to what to do, given their devotion towards them. The Greeks have this musical language, this mode of expression that you really have to understand in order to understand them. Of course, i havent done a good job explaining just how significant the language/music was (not to mention, the gods themselves were) in everyday life, nor have I explained WHY the gods were so significant, and things like that, but that is because this topic sortve requires you to have investigated it ~im sortve asking for alot, but I believe yous will figure something out~

Please tell me someoneon planet Earth knows what this show is from David lynch, like im tryina figure this out, but this show had some weird reboot in 2017 (given its from 91'), and yeo that sht is the best...

Yous might find the stuff in first hour interesting, And do feel free to talk bout, but i actually found the latter half, bout an hour or 2 hours in, where we are tlkin bout like all these competing departments in the universities and industries who want to get the financial support for their particular area... Like our system is so screwed up, its like, what could we do about it, i mean it seems to be the story w/ almost anything that relates to scientific research and stuff, i mean, theres potentially good science happening out there, that doesnt survive w all of the competition (or its atleast lesser known, and exists in theoretical forms in papers nd such)

It might be helpful to know the following three terms: Theomorphos, vs. metamorphoses, vs. teofania~of "theophany" Given that youll have to think of things in this way, as far as the nature of the Ancient Greeks, and whats happening in writing and speech, in regards to the tangled nature of all of those things, together. ϴεόμορφος (Theomorphos) is used when something resembles a god in form or presentation, like a human portrayed w/ divine features. Any quality, idea or concept described as having divine shape, or an artistic expression, depictions where a figure is given godlike proportions or attributes. Its sortve the transposed version of metamorphoses, whereby theomorphos describes the resembling of god in form, presentation, or god-like proportions that may take the form of metamorphoses (the manifestation or transformation of qualities that can become mortals, plants, animals, gods and events) ϴεοφάνεια, made of θεός (god) + φαίνω (to appear) Ergo a "teofania" is any moment where a god becomes perceptible in the world—seen, heard, or otherwise revealed to humans; This of course may transcend typical godly figures as manifestations within natural events instead, but still interpreted as divine presence (storm, light or voice)

This is a megalist of *100 books, granted the first part is just going through alot of whats called the Greek Collections (First Assortment) But if you continue down youll see stuff that I got from another person's reading list (its not someone from Actualized dot org, but again, its possible some of these books have been mentioned), and it includes things ive added~that i thought were missing, that seemed to fit the aesthetic of this list in particular. Some of the books on the reading list got removed, e.g., a couple books on magick i didnt find appealing since it involved things like locating a knife that is the length of a goat or something odd like this, as it just doesnt seem to be representative of the kind of esoteric/mystic (<3 divination, theurgia, spellcrafting and prayers, & vancian magick) that most people would respond to. You sortve have to look at the Greek & Roman entries into this field, or skip to the modern era, closer towards the third/fourth assortment, to get straight to the more modern writing tradition, attitude and novelettes n'poetry, or the scaffold of which everything has lead up2 So anyway, here's the list. If yous want any resources to websites and such (including words/term's definitions, or anything about Greek literature, e.g., reading material on Poseidon), feel free to ask me here. Πρωτο Reading List: First Assortment Apollonius of Rhodes, Argonautica Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica Orphic Argonautica Petrarch, The Secret Petrarch, Secretum Pindar's Odes (Olympian, Pythian, Nemean, etc.) Plutarch, Roman Questions Plutarch, Of Isis and Osiris Hesiod, Shield of Heracles Hesiod, Theogony Hesiod, Works and Days Horace, Ars Poetic Horace, Odes Horace, Satire Herodotus, Histories Palaephatus, Peri Apiston Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses Apuleius, Metamorphoses Ovid, Metamorphoses See also, Roman de la rose, il fiore, et caetera* Ovid, Art of Love Ovid, Fasti Ovid, Tristia Aristophanes, Frogs Aristophanes, Birds Aristophanes, Acharnians Aristophanes, Assembly Women Aristophanes, Knights Aristophanes, Lysistrata Aristophanes, Peace Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae Aristophanes, Wasps Library Of Diodorus Siculus Library Of Apollodorus Library Of Photius Aeschylus, Agamemnon Aeschylus, Eumenides Aeschylus, Libation Bearers Aeschylus, Persians Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes Aeschylus, Suppliant Maidens Iamblichus on the Mysteries (See 'Chaldean Oracles) Iamblichus, Life of Pythagoras Euripides, Alcestis Euripides, Andromache Euripides, The Bacchae Euripides, Cyclops Euripides, Electra Euripides, Hecuba Euripides, Helen Euripides, Heracleidae Euripides, Heracles Euripides, Ion Euripides, Iphigenia at Aulis Euripides, Iphigenia at Tauris Euripides, Medea Euripides, Orestes Euripides, Phoenician Women Euripides, Rhesus Euripides, Suppliant Women Euripides, Trojan Women Seneca, Medea Seneca, Thyestes Seneca, Phaedra Seneca, Hercules Furens Seneca, Agamemnon Seneca, Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium *(n.18, Saturnalia)* Bacchylides, Epinician Odes Dithyrambs of Bacchylides Nonnus, Dionysiaca Hyginus, Fabulae Fragments of Sappho Fragments of Simonides Fragments of Anaximander Lucian, Reading List: Second Assortment Lucian, Anacharis Lucian, A True Story Lucian, Alexander the Flase Prophet Lucian, Consonants of Law Lucian, Charon Lucian, Dance Lucian, Descent not Hades Lucian, Dialogues of Courtesans Lucian, Dialogues of the Dead Lucian, Dialogues of the Sea Gods Lucian, Double Inditement Lucian, Fisherman Lucian, Hermotimus Lucian, How to Write History Lucian, Ignorant Book Collector Lucian, On Sacrifice Lucian, On the Syrian Goddess Lucian, Parliament of the Gods Lucian, Praise of Demosthenes Lucian, Scythian Lucian, Ship or Wishes Lucian, Toxaris Lucian, Zeus Rants Miscellany, Reading List: Third Assortment Aetius of Amida, Libri Medicinales See also "Full Summary on Medea, Snake Medicine & the Context around Theriac" Hippocrates, Ancient Medicine Lucretius, De Rerum Natura Parmenides, On Nature τὰ Χαλδαϊκὰ λόγια (Chaldean Oracles): Julian the Theurgist, Julian the Chaldean Philostratus, Life of Apollonius of Tyana Galen, Opera Omnia Galen, On the Natural Faculties Pliny the Younger, Epistulae Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia Cain, A Mystery *(Lord Byron)* Aradia, Gospel of Witches Sir Arthur, A Study in Scarlet John Tzetze, Ad Lycophronem John Tzetze, Book of Histories Georg Luck, Arcana Mundi Sarah Iles Johnston, Hekate Soteira H.D., Helen in Egypt H.D., Hermetic Definition H.D., Hermione Hellenica Oxyrhynchia Antonin Artaud, Heliogabalus Ljuba Bortolani, Magical Hymns from Roman Egypt Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to King Helios Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to the Mother of the Gods Carl Ionescu, She Who Hunts Christine de Pizan, The Book of the City of Ladies Michael Marullus, Hymni Naturales Celsus, De Medicina Catullus, Poems Colluthus, Rape of Helen Pseudomonarchia Daemonum Karl Kerenyi, Dionysus Karl Kerenyi, Eluesis Karl Kerenyi, Prometheus Karl Kerenyi, Hermes Stephanie Budin, Artemis Alan Moore, Promethea Pausanias, Descriptions of Greece Sarah Iles Johnston, Restless Dead Sarah Iles Johnston, Mantike Fritz Graf, Ritual Texts for the Afterlife Walter Otto, Dionysus: Myth and Cult Walter Otto, Theophony Ludwig Klages, Cosmogonic Eros Maria Mili, Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly Henry Chadwick, Origen Contra Celsum Macrobius, Saturnalia Petronius, Satyricon Miscellany, Reading List: Fourth Assortment (in no particular order) The Derveni Papyri Athanassakis, The Orphic Hymns The Orphic Fragments of Otto Kern Thomas Taylor, The Hymns of Orpheus GRS Mead, Orpheus: The Theology of the Greeks B.P. Reardon, Collected Ancient Greek Novels Algis Uzdavinys, Orpheus and the roots of Platonism Ἑλληνιστικοὶ ποιηταί, Nicander, Alexipharmaca (from a tradition of Orphicesque Metamorphoses, Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, Sophocles, Callimachus, Alcaeus, etc.), etc. Wasson, Ruck, Hoffman, The Road to Eluesis Ekaterine Kobakhidze, Metaia Herman Hesse, Narcissus and Goldmund Federico Garcia Lorca, Blood Wedding Callimachus, Lycophron and Aratus Carmina Profana, Romulea X (Medea) Edgar Allan Poe, Ligeia Edgar Allan Poe, Morella Boccaccio, De Mulieribus Claris Satisfactio ad Guntharium James Clauss and Sarah Iles Johnston, Medea Jeffery Henderson, The Maculate Muse Jeremy Reed, The House of the Dead Madison Cawein, The Waste Land (T.S. Eliot) Jack Vance, The Dying Earth Felix Gilman, The Revolutions Edward Bulwer-Lytton, Zanoni Robert Graves, The Greek Myths Robert Graves, The White Goddess James Fraiser, The Golden Bough Peter Grey, The Red Goddess Reginald Scott, The Discovery of Witchcraft Hans Dieter Betz, The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Henry Corbin, The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism Jean-Pierre Vernant, Myth and Thought Among the Greeks Marcel Detienne's The Masters of Truth in Archaic Greece Maria Mili's Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly The Seven books of Paulus Aegineta Le Comte de Lautreamont, The Songs of Malador The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal Note, this list does not focus on Philosophy/Greater literature of Greek thought and such (maybe youd call it "philosophical foundations and such"), Alas there's another +100 books that we could've added

φύσις (phýsis) looks simple, but its got an intricate meaning in the context of Ancient Greece. The basic meaning of φύω (phýō), means "to grow" or "to bring forth" (to emerge) So physis seems like growth, or coming-into-being, the way something unfolds according to what * is * But perhaps a closer, rhetorical plain-English vers., might be, "the inner way a thing develops and shows itself" Heraclitus, Parmenides, et caetera tied physis to the ques., of "What is the real nature... of things... beneath appearances?" .. as another word to invoke the physical nature of things (among several others). In Greek medicine (Hippocrates), Physis becomes the natural constitution of the body, and the body's own tendency to heal / balance itself If you were talking about illness, you were asking how someone's physis had gone out-of-alignment. This connects to the pharmakeia and incantation, as well as modern spiritual prayer, though it is a line that is stretching far between medicine, ritual, and natural processes... into the physical, chemical, alchemical, magical, mystical, spiritual and religious. In modern times, we separate all of these things in our mind, but to Greeks, these things did not have distinct lines or divisions. We, atleast in the modern American English speaking world, are speaking of things in terms of discrete points, as opposed to continuous and infinite spectrums around us. That is, the mystical world is something we can only describe by thinking of it as a range of colors, *pointing* to different shades and colors within an infinite range. That idea is in itself a way to grow out of the basic Amer., principles, and to bring forth one's spirit towards~relating to the eternal, or how to exist within' the eternal (theres more to it) FourTwenty: 2026-04-20 04:20 Feel free to make a *420 post, in here~420 posts being just my normal posts.

Thats interesting. Ive had that author steve on my youtube since like, back when he started youtube. And although hes never landed within spiritual realms ~or rather, he starts material-practical, and leaves it open-ended, in regards to the -istemi to the more absolute epistemic thoughts and feelings, He's able to capture things in an articulated and well-spoken way, which i suppose is why he has become such an outspoken figure now in those specific target areas hes working w/ @Erybody, And i gues if anyone ever asks what is meant by absolute, epistemic thoughts and feelings (again, im borrowing the term from @gettoefl) It is comparable to a dream, you could say, because its something that exists and can be experienced, and we do think of it like a feature of reality, but its indescribable and thus separated within said reality (separated conceptually by some people who need to separate things that way). That's what the absolute is ~opposed to the absolute in some modern science realm~ the absolute can only be A) Experienced or B) Pointed toward, or only the -istemi towards it — "istemi" being a word i made up to mean "link / linked" or "channeled intention / direction" or something. You prolly have to preface w/ something like that in todays day and age (Note: We've prolly had this problem since the dawn of humanity, iuno), As so many people are confused, that is, when you go out in the world, talking to people, to those people who dont have a background in actualization or self-inquisition; which again, that is many, many people, possibly even the majority of people, theres just an overwhelming sense of speaking to those who do not have any experience w/ basic levels of self-inquiry.

Theres a few options that could help w/ this, the most obvious thing being, if you havent updated your package manager, as itll error out the packages cause of the package database not being sync'd w/ everything. I mean you might know that by now. Its jus good to remind people anyway. Try it if you havent though.

I guess whats great about Linux then, though i havent really thought of it in terms of really separating it out, given the walls or the ways we fall into our own niche, is that, you are playing w/ a puzzle that, for all intents and purposes doesnt end. I mean, thats touching on the nuts and bolts aspects, w/ regards to how you are throwing yourself into this dilemma~although its a dilemma you can absolutely solve. And then you can take it anywhere you want, i mean, people are def working on it, from the standpoint of what they like, and what they decide Linux should be, what it should do. I personally dont get too deep into it, but you can really build whatever you want, like... I was using watchamakalit, FVWM95, which i do still have on my laptop, and that was gonna be a project. Like thats one of many projects, and really its like, theres so many ways you can attack it. You know, its like, James and the Giant Peach, and theres alot of ways to bite around it, and surely ive only mentioned a very small area that I happened to be investigating when I started. I mean, because theres so many ways to view it from, theres too many possibilities and its hard to explain it from any one point~unless presented w/ the right topic/keyword... Like I mentioned "Sound/Audio", and thats like its own separate thing (one of many things). It is its own project. Some areas have been more built up, over time, and some areas of Linux are still a little behind. Like sure, the Desktops, for the most part (And last time i checked) they were a little behind. Its another project, another place to investigate, to try building it the right way~where its not all sketchy (there might be better Desktops out there, i dont know, Again im living in 1990 probably) Im just following the little voice in my head that told me someone was interested in Linux, so I continued said broadening of said interest.

@UnbornTao And if you cant be specific, then i cant be more specific, specifically for you. Its a give and take situation. If you want to know what something means, you have to learn how to use the quote feature.

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Im watchin these videos atm (p.s. he says somethin bout a series called Atlantica, but iuno wat that is, im behind on this particular area) I think these are the exact same video, though im watchin both anyway just to make sure. Now i dont know if this is jus divin deep into history on spain, nevertheless there are ancient monuments underwater, so its not like this guy is out there diving for now reason over and over again. So that is to say, someone was in spain over many, many thousands of years ago building some megaliths, granted its just been underwater so long now, and its like tryina explain the Entire story of Greece from looking at a single Doric Greek column. We have to use our imagination and see what could be our options ∆ Like theres gonna be different sides explaining the stories all throughout time, And it may be the case some stories ~before Plato were those exaggeraters, where others were against those people by people who were raised to think of Atlantis as demoted (or jus non existent) By the time it gets to Plato, the stories about it being a great city survived, but it couldve just been like the Pyramids, that is like, these unknown megaliths that dont have any function (any *obvious function that would be immediately clicking) I mean just knowing that they were built is the first step to curiosity, And the details can be considered later as we think over it, and weight the options and such... Now im at the part (@40:00 round about) where im learning about the people of Tartessos, which yet again, this is adding a whole nother layer to the story. Very interesting stuff, if yous are into it.

Eventually, I do wanna get to these other things i been working on (eventually) involving Poseidon and Atlantis, as i also feel like yous would find it all interesting, granted i dont know ifanyones mentioned Atlantis before... So its just a feeling. But for right now, and going by what the trend has been, such as in books, like The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal which ive only gotten through the first 20 pages, So i dont know if it ever describes things in terms of geography and/or family lineages, as its more akin to a prose-ified narrative or somethin', that is, someone having received the emerald tablets, who is passing down the information to us~what the tablets say/mean, and what this person learned as a result Sortve akin to divine inspiration or connection to a higher power, Poimanders to H.Trismegistus ~ but in story form, And so, that begins w/ Thoth having come from Atlantis to establish Egypt. But I was thinking there could also be something in history, where someone begins from Egypt/Africa ~more likely~ and then says "Hey, lets try boating over the lip of water here~at the coast of Libya~to see whats on the other side" And in doing that, a small commune agrees to establish that land in Europe, and something happens, and they never really get things going, or the locals there (and those who 'held back in LibYa), figure out that that 'settlement that had all the people going to Atlantis', it was very much successful, And then they decide to go over there and steal all their sht Very conniving, backstabbing, as its sortve like *secret commune that they are encroaching But also, they are ruining the history in terms of like, having broken the relationship between the Atlanteans and the Africans who are to become Egyptians. They sortve end up staggering what wouldve been a peaceful community. Nevertheless, we might say that Thoth was one of these individuals (a representative of) or a *marker, like the name "Moses" in that, many people had the name Moses~granted Moses was a real name, and im not so sure about like, how we get to the Egyptian vers., of Thoth, but i do know that its ḏḥwty (transliterated Djehuty or Tehuti) and if you pronounce that in your head [djuh-who-tee'] or [teh-who-tee'] that sounds like a real name that many people wouldve had, making it more than just a pseudonym or a characterization, but its probably like Moses or Adam, etc., like these are super common names probably. But anyway, Poseidon adds a whole nother wrinkle to the story. It is why we would have to split these two stories up, as we are opening a very weird can of worms by going in both directions, Alas i thought yous might find this interesting. And if yous have anything yous wanna add, know, or say~or if you wanna know more about the things im writing about, on Poseidon, i mean, feel free to just let it roll off the tongue. And I realize that it might be too much on ppl, too much for yas to digest. Nothin wrong w/ that.

part ii I tried looking for people who, i thought wouldve understood this instinctively (as it seems fairly obvious), cause like i thought this was just everyones assumed mind set, right? But apparently, not many people understood this, or atleast, they couldnt internalize it as such... (def., there is alot, alot, alot of ppl who havent even started on the first like, first literal stage?) As im not really saying anything different than what actualized dot org is, and its relationship to the self experience, the system, atleast from the very first point of Philosophically delving into the self. I guess thats the problem. I started looking for people, in a world where they wouldnt have already mastered self inquiry, so therefore the fundamentals around the keyboard were also sortve an unknown~atleast on that plane/dimension i was in, which is a long story as to what im speaking to~but you can imagine.

~part i The more I got a chance to think about what im tryina capture, as well as what im tryina express through The Unix Philosophy Its not necessarily about "design patterns or programmatic architecture", or how to code things (though, on Linux that is important given the nature of Linux, and, atleast in its case, the ability to design things in a somewhat complimentary way...) Rather, its more like, the ability to gain *insight into a system (Linux, and the programs within it, ideally) and to understand those systems. If even its "just enough to use the system", which is what we are really targeting at first, right. Like its more subtractive in a way, and more about stripping it all down (more like a Philosophy or spiritual practice) Afterwards, it can then take on these analytical, additive elements, something i kindve think of as "applying even pressure". Applying even pressure around all facets of the program, or the kernel, or around the environment, etc., like you are then applying everything evenly, whether it be "researching" or "updating" or "maintaining" or "fixing an ongoing project..." i mean, there's any countless number of things that is implied by The Unix Philosophy, or the stages that come after the initial 1 Unix Stage (that somewhat encapsulates it... though there is more that i want to say... And those are just the bare basics) 1 Unix Stage 2 Unix Terminal/Shell 3 ... ^Like its something like that, is what im tryina say, atleast from my perspective. I mean, everyone is attacking it from different point, so you have to acclimate it somewhat from your own perspective, and try to get it to be more Unix-like, Unix in the Philosophical sense we described here (not the Old Unix-literally speaking, as I dont know whats in them old books/articles)

ya true. Hey, i figured out how to illustrate it. When you are jus startin out, its like you are jus learnin it, so its like buffalo bob or bill and the poodle scene. But then you get it up and running~which doesnt take long, and its then like this John Wick sequence (mind you, if you are into like audio nd stuff, im not sure its a good switch, cause theres no Ableton live... you gotta go in non ableton routes... which is fine, as theres lota interesting programs in the works) *p.s. iuno what linux would have to do w/ dogs, as im more of a cat person myself but i guess it has somethin to do w/ dogs, maybe the cunningness of a dog or sumthin

Im really great at marketing things to people, you know. "You ever seen that movie where Buffalo Bill/Bob has the girl down the well, and shes like, Mr. Im gonna kill your dog" the experience is exactly like that. You know? Get me on the marketing team.

O ya'. Linux will do that to yah. Its like the movie hostile (2005), when they say, "where is this art show..." The Girl is like "No, Have a drink first" And he says, "No. I don't want a drink. I wanna see some art." And then he goes there, and some random Chinese guy coming out of the show says, "You could spend all your money, in there..." You could spend All your free time in linux. And, May or may not be worth it tho ha.

Ya thats a good point.

O wow, African languages. I feel like I couldnt even get started on African languages, cause if i did it would be like black hawk down, like a stranger landing or entering into a stranger land ~type've thing. Im assuming theres lots of languages, the congo and tribals underneath, to the west/somalia, to south africa, to the east morocco and such, to the north, libya/algeria... I think theres weird islands too, like in that Gulf of Aden / Arabian Sea area maybe it was~where you had an island with places named by some explorer from the Netherlands or something. Something weird like that that seemed out-of-place. Im just putting the pieces together now, cause your name is Japanese sounding. I see it. I guess its hard to tell by names what someone is, or learned growing up, cause everything is like, part of our fantasy character~or atleast, playing into one of the characters that we want to illustrate. There's this one Japanese-script extension called kara katakana that i like. It jus extends the glyphs/sounds (i think for the purpose of communicating with Koreans, or vice versa... something like that) And its deceptively hard to find information about. Where i first seen it~that is, a subtle depiction of it, was in Dreamcastle™s thumbnails, and then i found it on omniglot https://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/karahiragana.php Ive not investigated japanese beyond that, as i was jus looking at writing systems.

Thats amazing you bring up Unix, I've been trying to get people to see it as The Unix Philosophy, in terms of what Linux's direction really sat upon, and what those paradigms are still really sitting on. And after @Joseph Maynor made that connection of the backend-to Linux, that is potentially a way to frame it. I mean, alot of the puzzle pieces are there, right, like I just so happen to have spent time looking at the terminal/shell, fonts, language, etc., neglected portions that no ones really gotten into as i have, but thats fine cause, these terms that yous may have mentioned bein funny, they are actually funny to me cause they are like, the direction im really trying to paint vividly on the walls~in order for it to be seen. Thinking of it as a Philosophy is really quite important as well, though its a Philosophy thats very frontal lobe... i mean, its not that hard tbh im makin it sound like tha, plus you hav me to lend your ear to in that regard (We have ChatGPT now, so alot of those conversations can be sortve, brainstormed w/ Ai first, to get started, or to get a sense of the questions you should be asking, or areas that yous are curious of... And i dont mean to elect yous specifically, i just mean "Anyone who is interested... or that wants to spend some weeks gettin in the weeds w/ some fairly crazy stuff")

Thats a nice way to put it. As i think i think of it like that, or atleast, the desktop experiences need some work, given they are fighting against the older paradigns, nd really just gotta go fully in one direction or the other, leaving the base Unix backend-ish to dwell on its own, and the more modern to go in what usually is questionable directions, but maybe they can work on it nd make it into something interesting, or just very solid and familiar... I mean, i have alot of ideas~granted its in the backend space, figuratively speaking. Iuno, i guess its a long story. ive not found anyone that i can lend an ear to, to really delve deep into it jus yet. Hey, dont get me started here, or ya know, or ill turn this into a very very long conversation thatll blow up the servers. or itll set a new record~for longist consecutive posts/characters sent in a session.

Im lookin for a real substantial scene from utube, but in the meanwhile

We may get into things that require pulling from passages of Hermetic tradition (theres various related compilations of), as well as Greek Literature, Hymn and Mythology, The Odyssey and Theogony, etc., but I wanted to start from some point, some initialization on our staggering history of magick on Earth. I just thought Jesus was the best point, but i guess medieval period couldve been a place to start, going backwards towards ancient history. *p.s. notice everything i write reads like music, cause thats actually important to this. As, in Ancient Greek tradition, "speech" is intertwined w/ actions, as well as patterns of behavior w/ symbolic meanings (thats how i read it phrased in "The Masters of Truth in Archaic Greece" anyway -of which i'm still reading).