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Let me "double up the information" here so to speak, via linking/quoting, that we its re bumped, and its not missed on ppl when they join. And i understand, you are looking for others exp., im jus making sure everyone is on the same page, more or less, though we can never really be sure bout it anyway (skip to the end for summary) That is to say, theres a more fundamental idea to that, which is "Anticipating something SUDDEN, before it happens". Now that might not sound related, but our bodies are primitive. So when you drop down into a "stillness mindset" or a "vacant parking lot" or a "desolate forest" those are all instances of~Having started/begun in a certain gear, but then having ended up *Shifting gears, where your mind and body are trying to acclimate to the environment or situation. You might even say that our butt (really our immune/nervous system) knows us better than ourselves.

This is interesting (And everything you said sounded sound and logical to me, granted im joining the conversation late) Alas, ive been following this thread, as i find it all very intriguing/insightful. And it is also interesting—When you mentioned Politicians and companies, it got me thinking (XD Yes im always thinking). We should start a Discord specifically for anyone who is into these sorts of things, whether it is Islamic, Jewish or anything else, but also split into Mysticism and these things, that way we can all band together. Of course, it would be better if we all who join, dont depend on a business or family that would require obeying the rules and laws that are pushed onto the public. I myself can confirm i am not tied to any such system, so i am a dangerous asset in this regard (or rather, there are *degrees of*). But i understand if others are too afraid to band together and try to make a difference, as it is threatening to these things like family and business—Alas, that is fine too, and not everyone would have to be on the same degree of freedom as everybody else. It would be open to anyone interested. p.s. im currently bouncing around some ideas for titles (feel free to bounce 'em back) like very simple stuff since i dont speak arabic, But i like the sound of this one — العربية والنور الإله and i think the persian equiv., فارسی و نور الهی and i had a vers., in Syriac Aramaic aka Sureth, but i dont like how the computerized font looks, or maybe i jus dont like the modernized vers., of the language. Like, the Old Phoenician style was more interesting, but whatevs, atleast Arabic and Persian have that sortve \*rough canvas look that i was looking for.

You know whats also crazy, or not crazy but like, if you think bout it, there really isnt like a strong presence of a forum for all things like truth, or being, or mysticism, or hermetic/sufi nd watever other teaching forum, as i guess it was hard to find a good keyword that everyone was gonna be able to find like, i just named so many things, so thats somethin to consider (ive looked through some alchemy discords nd i felt like anyone could easily try nd start their own to surpass the little ways theyve come) Like its just so broad of/encompassing of a~many ideas, that iuno. Its a totally missed opportunity. And i guess its like, its not as big as i thought, or ive never encountered it as like a popular thing. It feels like it would be though, right? iuno. Its strange, who knows.

I was lookin this up, and thats beautifully said, imo, as far as what ive felt nd experienced. I mean, i myself dont really~or havent really attempted to describe spirit (or actually i have "defined spirit", but ive never "placed it inside of a larger framework"), And seeing as they already got stuff like this, that which is very sound and logical, and i see nothing wrong with it: Ego-self - Lower level (w/, maybe even a slice of grounding, -apart of it, cause you need your ego to even begin in the first place dont ya) Qalb, centering (Hey, what else would we call it? Sounds fine) Ruh - spirit - And it says:" The spirit is from the command of my Lord, and you have been given only little knowledge about it." Hey that jives w/ me. Im sure they all sortve go along a similar idea, even if the terminology and ideas are slightly mixed around. But i like this, cause then you simultaneously leave room to define the "soul" as more of the synonym for what we talk about when we are pointing to consciousness, that is, the thing that doesnt dissolve, infinite/eternal, and can never die, or whatever it is (i wrote a thing about it, and im tryina remember how i phrased it, but its something like that). p.s. im writing a thing that begins in an Hermetic direction -So now knowing this about Sufi ism, i can start to feed in these types of things nd ideas, such that i (all of us really) can just work on making the language English derived, or whatever language yous want, i mean take it in a poetic direction~it doesnt matter, seeing as all of this stuff already is out there in a base form already. And then everyone is not only on the same page, everyone is feeding in these sorts of ideas that are building on a common center. Not that it wasnt already, but its def now i believe.

This got me thinkin today, and i got watchamakalit to make be this beautiful chart out of all the middle eastern belief groups nd such, zoroastra., manichaens, the chaldeans, the sufis... etc, etc, so that i could just see like the common nd similar threads, nd shades of... nd then i thought, maybe we use Sufism as more of an interlink between islam and just mystical side in general, as iuno if yas know, the islamic ppl/religion are taking over, one day at a time. But yas can use Sufism as that gobetween, i mean, in the most extreme cases. As Sufism is not only alot newer, its also got the most in common w islam, i feel, or so thats what this ai talking to me today had made it seem like. The others are too mystical. So Sufi is the perfect go-between, nd like, that could be the like, you know, your (our) way of talking to someone, or meeting someone to balance the tide, like... Say you are approached by someone of middle eastern decent, nd you only hav a moment to respond with what/who you are, nd what you are about. So you are like "Oh, blah, blah, blah, of nd you know, i been gettin into Sufi-ism..." And you know, not saying too much, otherwise youll scare ppl haha... Or maybe try that. Maybe its like you gotta be aggressive w it. Lol. No, dont be aggressive.

Speaking of, if you go outside, it went from like, being ass cold — to now where its like its a warm spring day out w all the snow meltin° (or atleast where im @Est), like thats another instance where its like this thing w/ the body/And gettin' use to it, or trying to - where your body says something like, "Ah, what is going on", to then having to acclimate to those sudden changes.

Like i use to get something when i was very little/young, and my parents would like, bring me / leave me in a wooded/forest area w/ all the horses and shit~Wildlife and like, desolate forest, And in those cases my stomach would churn and i was put off from that whole idea of nature at that point. But this was like what alot of ppl felt as well, like when you are sortve THRUST against your will, or against the nature of your immune system ~not quite havin prepared ur self, then yeah ur butts prolly gona clench up at that point cause its like , "Ah, Whats going on". But as you get more like, accustomed to switching gears, your body wont feel as staggered and whatknot, going from this like "stay still" mode, to a more *hyper mode

I actually know what you are talking about XD, but its like, im not quite sure id call it an ass clenching, lol. But sure i guess thats sortve what it is in a way. Its more like, your immune system drops down~shifts into a new gear, but Hey, its not like any of us have the science/right terminology. I certainly dont.

Whadyas wanna end up in a Lord of the Flies predicament where its like, the children of Eden live out in the great fields of Elizia and watch everyone get swept to sea by the pebbles they tripped on, and then all the children are like "Yeah, we dont speak the language that would be necessary to help them or to even know if-wat they are saying means anything", whilst theyre like, in clear proximity to be saved? And then the cont., destruction of the poor shirt+pant wearing ppl, floating down the river, who cant be helped in any way, shape or form, is a misfortune upon the ways of tripping on things by accident, like. the continued ignorance for the sake of said cont., lord of the flies/scouts honor, like thats where things are headed, as you dont need English in the new world order. Everyones just floating around through the apocalypse that is Earth~And returning to some touchstone of Eden to emulate the routine that a thousand other Lord of the Flies children have par'-took in, like—We repeat the primordial events that you didnt think were real, until they happen and its like, in the endless misfortunes that are those very clear sequences of identical events, its like, Oh okay that was a real thing? Well shit.

How much Salvia divinorum 60x do we need, where you are leaning to the left, enclitic to the thing you are leaning on~Where it feels like you are falling over the same thing, combined with how many gallons of alcohol and having the spins to the right, where it feels like you are leaning and spinning from the right of it - do we need — til a little gnome of smurftown, or the worm from richard scarrys book, pops out from in between those left & right leaning curtains ~ in order to then be given the right magical, reading-rainbow interface for speaking towards one another.

Like what we need is DMT Laser code i guess. Cause i feel like we are reachin one of these perpetual walls~Where its like, apparently just saying things on a base reality terms nd agreement is good enough, right? So, how much DMT drip do we need, nd how many laser pointers do we need set up with masking tape? Like im tryina take things in such a ridiculous place that its like, yous hav no choice but to see base reality as the solutio to all of these like, extremeties typeve offerings, Like do i gotta call Elon musk so we can get an electronic interface between us and the thing we want to spreak through

First we need to learn about base level of reality, like communication and observation of base reality, before any lvl of "no thing" can be A) Explained, B) Practiced. Because you can try nd point to a *no thing* all day and its precision upon the exact sensation you are feeling isnt gonna be indicative of what it is to someone else.

@everyone/all Regarding evil, in America we have like a bad opiod nd other drug epidemic, where u hav ppl whove never have wanted to get hooked on drugs, nd the doctors or someone~turns them on to something like this, like say after theyve fallin on the job, or theyve hurt their back or something. Then you have like these young 30 or 40 year old dudes who are hooked on drugs cause they originally thought they were on some pain management, not realizing they were subscribing to be a full time drug addict, stuck in a loop of tryina resolve pain + whatever other mental / life dilemma theyre in, and thats how the drugs get ya, especially the life stuff and mental stuff. The pain is like, i mean is the worst, you wanna die, but like, "consenting to something you didnt understand" is real

Have i ever thought about that?.... I mean. Ive experienced it, like. Im confused, lol. Like, i literally explained exactly that experience of what it is.

As potentially the only person whos exp. this typve dying and coming back, quite literally, after stepping out and having to focus on said spirit, to speak on what happens after the point of losing the ability to go back to said body? In that case, i mean... Hey... I mean... Throw your hands in the air, cause its goin Everywhichway! Lololol

Its like theres a string/thread that we tie our waiste to, and then when we launch out w/ said string/thread still attached, we forget that its only a string keeping us floating from the homebase. The moment we remove the tether, its all types of fkd. Like, \*throw your hands up in the air at that point, cause it may go everywhichway. Of course, i feel like theres alot of fear. Like... Iuno bout yous, but ive had one of those near-deathers. You know, the good ole, you die and then you travel around as a spirit, one of those. And Oh god, the fear you feel when encountering that white light, i mean. It doesnt signify a good thing. Its like "Nope", "i guess ill walk the other way".

Dont yous remember what happens on LsD/Mushroons? Maybe its just me, but all your beliefs are simultaneously and actively throttled and replaced, continuously. Like, you never have a grounding, and thats what makes everything just so damn out of reach, conversations, all of it. The whole shebang. Its all so congested, like this ball of utter confusion, and not being on psychedelics is what it is to forget, its like, we forget how utterly broken the mind is, or how broken it could be. Even my words are in fact a joke next to the exp. of what happens within the breaking. Like thats how it works. Everything is ever so slightly, annoyingly never gonna line up. Thats the sortve leeway we have to give each other, considering how we dont know like, what is going on.

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Like what i wanna ask now is, are yous just tryina be silly, or are yous talkin bout somethin real, cause if yous got somethin real to say, yous gotta say it quick, cause im not a person who sticks around for long. My appearance cannot be taken for granted.

Or if yous mean, its like a roadblock as far as the eye can see, as in "its either too dull nd boring, and/or its literally uncontestable — and in either way we should move one..." typeve thing. im fine w that as well.

Hey, im not sure how the thread started, but im interested. Like Im interested in Islam atleast. As i see how theres two sides to the story. Im also interested in what anyone else whos interested, what they see in it, or, what they feel is to be appreciated, as i can see theres some emotional thing goin on here.

@Schahin I should also tell yas why i like the middle east languages too, as im genuinely interested in it beyond just the surface level, but also , the deep dirty level of the language and writing: And thats cause i find myself very interested in the Old, Ancient Assyrian/Syriac/New Aramaic or whatever they call it -languages, and that whole branch, like... And its relationship to Egyptian language. As im real into writing systems, as yous might know by now.

Ooooh. Okay so yous are on to "Sufi-ism". Gotchya. I like the Sufi's, though admittedly, its been somewhat neglected in my studies, as ive looked at some many groups, Sufi's, Manichaeans, Chaldeans, Zoroastrians... and various other Islamic, gnostic and jewish and/or esoteric groups, and i seem to have let the Sufiism stuff fall through the cracks. Though now that youve brought it up i might give it another look.

Or maybe i should ask, do you take his interpretations to be a bit outlandish? Or, do they corroborate somewhat of the truth of islam and these things, as i dont know.. Like... Am i watching the wrong person to learn about Islam and what the perspectives are around it? I dont know i can say ive watched up to so far where hes explained the two different kinds of islam and stuff, so im atleast in on that whole story. If theres more to it, that which is told by someone else, its likely that i dont or havent heard of him or what ever this other perspective is, if such a thing exists, which im sure there is, but like, i have a limited window into these sorts of things. p.s. i also find him interesting, meaning Madhi or watever his real name is, as im interested in Egypt and learning bout like, whats goin on there, as ive talked to real ppl before from various regions of the middle east, persia, israel, algeria, libya, etc., but i forget if/when i talked to someone from egypt. nevertheless im intetested in hearing bout islam, and their relationship/history to egypt. p.s.s., ive had a couple friends from Israel, though they had like, traumatic exp., like they didnt tell me about it, but they had just told me they were involved in some of the wars over there or something, meaning in Israel or places around it or something. But like i said, they didnt want to elaborate on anything more than that, so i didnt really ask them anything about it. Like, as "men" we dont normally ask each other things that are like, super-close or super family related stuff, like we are more like "wanna see this cool thing" and rarely do we say "hey hows your family, hows your parents", like maybe people from other countries go through that whole shpeel, but i dont think we do this in America, as we are a land of Traditionless children. Or maybe thats just me, iuno.

Yousll have to tell me what yous think of him (or point me to the thread bout him if yous have already tlked bout him before) cause i feel like, hey, atleast he is goin for peace or he seems to have a goal towards it~Though thats why i ask what others think of him, as im not an expert or anything on Islam or this side of religion. I know history of course, but do i know bout like, religion as it would pertain to Islam and these freedom fighters? I dont believe so—Or Rather—Like, i have a very limited window into it, in other words. *p.s see my post before this one on madhi*