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I feel like i should atleast say one more thing to drive the point home here, for we are likely going to read this, unsure of where to turn or how to respond. Look, the interface we call reality is itself part of the machine, so in unwinding the interface, we are immediately faced w/ a paradox, for you dont just get things solved. Like there is no finalizing reality, however one could experience it, as a "form of", as the means to communicate through speech, as the means of transcending boredom, or reaching higher ground, or visiting a lost civilization and swimming under the temples there. Cause everything we are thinking/doing is (to be) an instance of that reality that we think is the immutable, irifutable reality. We are the textures of the thing that sits *Underneath of real reality

Im watching the following, lookin at the term "invers., of truth", And it got me thinking, you know, We are quite literally a machine of texture, experiencing two ends of a textural spectrum, rough on one end, smooth on the other, And we are confounded by that system, such that we feel it means its filled w/ 5 senses, including these thoughts, feelings & emotions And of course, to those of you reading, who have to shift gears to try to decipher this, that might not feel or sound or seem enjoyable at first. Some of yous might even feel like "Fk this, i wanna ride the rollercoaster" but ya gotta understand that this thing we're all in is more than illusion, like... We arent just "solving reality.. Done", finished. We are solving literal "ETERNITY Neverending". Like... THIS is the fkd up part, not the boredom part, like... The part that should be rattling your head is how long you are gonna be in this for, which is forever, like... It literally is the simplest thing, life that is... Its a very simple thing, being experienced on a scale that is an ever-present and incredibly vast and complex thing, like the things we are calling parts of~Or events or moments of reality, they arent like... like those arent *instances of reality. Those are shared beliefs you have for what you *THINK reality is, and thats precisely how it works. Really its just textures, but you dont just draw the line there, for you are solving something that takes you places now, like theres a very clear objective, which could only be described as Actualized... dot org Org in the orgia sense, ὄργια, its like the sacred rites to the soul, the spirit of the individual understanding their own life and reality, and the continued unwinding of exp., for you are lost in your own machine, winding it up simultaneously, as that path itself, on what it perceives to be a path of differences, and samenesses.

Forgive me, as i decided not to answer the ques., as i didnt know anything about it. However i wrote what i consider much more insightful and informative piece in regards to Salvia, as it'll resonate hard w/ anyone whos done Saliva How Salvia Feels (I) and should have been described (i mean, its been like 20 years so weve been thinkin of it for a long time now) I often think of Salvia w/ fond memories, even though i dont know of anyone who tried it w/ such fondness, but what I really liked is, that it was atleast a moment to zoom in, and reiterate on the textures and the music of the textures, like that left/right~leaning~ super drunkenness, that we would come to be very familiar w/, probably whilst taking for granted our abilities in that moment ~ That is, if we take Salvia and compare it to a stage of drunkenness w/ the spins, the spirits or the dragons spinning you/me, that wouldve been what we called it prolly~20 years ago. And that is surely one way to describe it, though its more than that, cause you also are zooming into the *flavor of the moment, of Salvia, this emerald green textural thing... That is, unless you hadnt done it in the right atmosphere... With the right music playing... The right colors. If you didnt do those tings, then you prolly dont share the same fondness (which is perfectly fine, for everyone is different) Like its more akin to a sea of green, the boundary between our lives~right before it becomes pure textural in some like, divine, abstract closet of the world ~like, its a place where music becomes something directly felt; Or rather, "feeling" itself is experienced on Salvia. What we are saying is "directly felt" is really something experienced i mean to say. Albeit it is an experience that takes you to a base, like inside of the almond-shaped gland somewhere, where it strips you of breathing acknowledgement, heartbeat acknowledgments, perception itself, and just leaves you with rhythm itself The rhythm. Anything else is just in the way, atleast on Salvia. For, you are the heartbeat, and the walls that fall each time you bump into them, or the thread that accepts you as thread, or somethin' like... I found this Greek phrase: τις στιγμῆς αἰσθάνεται "one becomes aware of a moment" ~ And thats exactly what i want to say... You are made aware of~ in the sense that you are pulled into the moment. So if the last image you looked at was a picture of an island, you dont just go to the island, you become the picture, you become your wall, and that wall and that picture are in your trip. So you have to be consciously looking at something favorable and somewhat pleasing, before falling into Salvia, for you are to then *Carry with you, that feeling for 5 minutes. And maybe its just the after effects, or our ability to *describe Saliva divinorum that makes it sound pleasing, that gives it some validity, but i just feel like theres something to it, theres something there, much in how theres certain kinds of Oolong teas that share that same sortve thing, this like, taste that really iterates on the same flavor profile. It's a flavor that isnt doing more than it should, like... It's something or someone (a spirit) that is autistic, whilst also being incredible good at explaining its own experience. .... At the same time, it feels horrific so im not even sure what im talking about... but maybe, just maybe if i try it again in the future, ill be like (well you know what, i actually enjoy that feeling now). You never know.

Ive not personally, as i would be curious of what the effects are with psychedelics, and how they are working in the world at large (how the mind experiences reality, and not, how the mind works in a literal sense), which requires insights into what actually goes into a trip 'an experience that has alot of moving pictures and pieces, a rush of things that, when analyzed loses track of the meaning, the content and such, the emotional cues so to speak ~an emotional relationship or state w/ the world~ a city and state of new thoughts, feelings, emotions and ideas that are passing you in the moment, colors and textures and things that can be richly enjoyed, otherwise missed if to dilute the whole process into a scientific study. With that said, i cannot speak to 5ht1a or anything that would be assoc. w/... As there are quite alot of receptors (alot of which are working together harmoniously somehow). An analogy might be to compare it to Ai ~ Today alot of people think theres someways they can steer Ai, but thats not really how Ai works. You cannot really steer things that are infinitesimal by nature, w/ decimal points through the roof. It cant be understood, and it cant be shaped into anything from the standpoint of someone w/ the intention of bringing it into some form of alignment w/ an idea they have~from the naivety to prove something or make it better. As it is~what it is~ You can ask it questions and get answers. You can get goofy ass images (or frames of moving images, same thing). The same applies to the brain, however reality/experience is itself apart of that recipe too. So im not pushing you away from science but i just want you to see that the first step, in the very least, is to notice how the recipe is larger than the ingredient, and, in that ingredient, it is already so incredibly infinitesimal that its sortve counter to what anyone might want to research anyway. Ideally we all would want peace and harmony on earth as a destination, atleast to some degree, where we all feel weve done something that may play into a peaceful resolution, or the least-worst solutions. Many things in your life are gonna be least-worst decisions & solutions. So its something you have to get to thinking about early on... Just something to think about.

hey maybe yous caught this one. I just seen this whilst going through the catelog of videos on Hamilton morris's channel, and theres an ibogaine one from a year ago, and i jus started watchin it, but its sortve funny in the sense that its mentioned someone opposed to Ibogaine in the US, nd here we are, and Ibogaine is atleast being considered / in the pipeline, presumably (i dont know if that means its made legal, or if its like a treatment, and what the treatment would even be.... I mean hopefully its just gonna make things legal, like im not tryina be up in any more hospitals ~any more than i already am, ya know... what are we gonna spend 16 hours a day gettin treatmemts our whole lives, it doesnt make sense. but The first 20 minutes were putting me to sleep, so yous may have to skip ahead 20 minutes or so to get to the bottomline

Now im more so looking for specific instruments (which could also mean, finding the right free VST online), cause back in the 90s, right before Korg went to that digital keyboard w/ linux as its OS ~ which i never tried but it looked awesome ~ there were these unique sounds on the older models i wanted to spend more time w/, as i tried remaking those sounds but it didnt come out right. So im still looking for either the right instru., physical or digital, to find those sounds.

Audacity was, and still is underrated. I made so many unique sound clips w/ one of the specific older vers., that had some of the more unique effects i wanted at the time... granted, i always started out w/ some semblance of an audio recording or partial, but like, i would get lost in stretching clips, slicing them and doing things w those sliced up sounds to either overlay it w/ another slice, or use it as like, the *noise element to some music/audio track. Its also faster for doin audio things w/, where as Ableton was slightly too verbose if what ya wanted was just to edit a soundwave or master a single audio track.

I dont perceive behavior for animals as crazy, so much as i perceive others who perceive it as crazy, but to me, like my cat for e.g., been talking to, and training her for 20 some odd years, almost 24 7, where all i do is circularly poin to, and communicate to her, cyclical exercises over and over non stop, and even w/ all of that she is still lost in her feral world, weighing 5 lbs., still attacking 100 lbs. pitbulls, getting mawled to death... recovers like nothing happened... day 2 or so, back at it again w/ her white vans. jus lives in a different world Obviously now, she doesnt attack things, she doesnt have the temptations dangled in front of her, though i do still keep her in a playful and ecstatic sense of, like how she use to be, but w/ less pitbulls, or atleast not a *pack of pitbulls... we already done the 'pibull challenge on tiktok... ""send your cat to an early grave -tiktok

The question is phrased so people must press the blue button to survive, any alt., being promortalist & efilistic in their thinking. Unless the outcome or reasons for pressing the buttons is *unknown* , then the idea of "following the heard" does not really have the same efficacy towards the bottomline of pressing the blue button. The red button here is bringing cynicism to the table for no reason, as theres nothing in the question you have to distrust but your own perception of whats been given priority. Or you are just young and stupid, and dont understand how to read, and things like this "See red button, press red button", without having read into "why you make decisions". For you make decisions because they have efficacy in the realm of the hierarchy, that you yourself are calling important, based on language. If what explained is about the blue button, then the blue button is the main character p.s. you might also wanna blame the creators who phrased the question, 'cause they are the ones that've phrased it in that way, and are thus creating an unequal playing field, which isnt quite right if you want there things to be equal; For to make it equal, you just say "red button" or "blue button" without explanation, which is closer to mirroring the amount of unknown decisions you'll have experienced in life.

I awish his name was something like Jesus of Ceos, or Jesus et Pharmikon, i mean, not Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, 'gah i hate that, its like trying to be 'izaiah christendome (Messiah Massiachyah in Hebrew) like deliberate doublets of who they literally are, typeve thing. Like, Theres something very Gaul/Latin/Thracian, or like something very broken about that naming scheme that departs from Greek, Latin, Like iuno, its generating its own universe of names and language suddenly, like its 3rd BC i wanna say was *tria nomina naming in Rome, then 5th Century AD it collapses, and theres the window of antiquity where everyones names are just like, buried under so many influences, its hard to tell if its revealing something, or if there names were just that literal, Pontus (Personification of the Sea) Pirate? C'mon. Fk these names dude. quick note, κοινόχρηστος (koinochrestos) κοινός (koinos) — “common,” “shared” χρηστός (chrēstos) — “useful,” “fit for use,” “usable” He could be Jesus the Skilled/Useful Artisan

Im watching this episode today, granted im only on the first 5 minutes, and its still Hamilton Moris giving his introduction to what the episode is to be about (im farther along now, and 1st 40 mins., we're on the topic of medicine, which touches on Medea, the sorceress and an accomplished pharmakís, a worker in pharmakeía or aka, medicinal magic, and the larger traditions around Ancient Medicine... @44:30 we get into the Jesus stuff) And ive already watched lots and lots of episodes on Jesus and the possible pedo-like behavior, and what ive learned ~separate from facing that issue directly~ is more on the Ancient Pirating side of things, and how what we would call *magic and ritual today, was often infused w/ the world and the ancient beliefs of these peoples, or atleast, it took on different forms. And certainly, you had things like the Sabbath (sabato) or the Greek word σαβά that has a very specific meaning, αιχμαλωσία, or more specifically "captivity"; Not that anyone knows about this, As most bible scholars believe it to be related to "Shabbat", but little do they know that thats based on the common Greek words and definitions, i.e., captivity, or effectively "prisoners". Its important to understand how ppl taken + forced to serve, were effectively captives, prisoners, atleast at first this is how you would see it (and how we would see it now). If they stayed aboard and worked, they might be treated as part of the crew, whether willingly or not (also look up "the selling of people in antiquity") These are terms & idea used initially to describe the latter era of Pirates and Jewish sects dedicated to the trade of individuals, selling, recruiting, pressed-ganged into λῃστεία (leisteía), piracy or the pirate life. People use the bible to define terms, and what you end up w/ is issues, because the Bible is not directly historical. All the events depicted in the Bible have been compressed down to almost zilch, losing all the necessary context and quality in order to derive terminology, and yet terminology is derived from it ~as if you can use the bible for such terminology~ So some things are pointing to actual events, where as others are additions. So i dont really know, or have a clue how to illuminate the texts or pages/fragments that speak to such interactions w/ children. In my opinion, it is more of a story about children / teenagers press-ganged as recruits or slaves, those to be press ganged as pirates within Pirate crews, or into the pirate life generally, as pirating and trade was so significant, Again it is well attested in trade, like w/ such people as Lydia (or simply a Lydian woman?), an early convert of Paul the Apostles, dealing in such luxurious supplies, and apparently others close to the apostles who deal w/ substances like the purple and other trade substances speak on this too.

George Lakoff and Mark Johnson's 'Metaphors We Live By, argues that abstract thought is fundamentally grounded in bodily and practical experience. You can't reach for a metaphor you haven't lived near. A scribal class person, a Pharisee, a Temple priest, their metaphors skew toward law, purity, genealogy, text. You see that in how the Pharisees argue and think in the gospels. Their conceptual world is documentary and juridical. Likewise, Jesus (or the person writing for him) his conceptual world is tactile and material. He has all this knowledge of stone work, and other artisan skills~Even if its in that sortve, magical triplet feel, its pulling from metaphors that are based in some real place. For that reason, somethings going on w/ Jesus the Carpenter/Stonemason, or atleast... Jesus the Temple Builder, like someone who erects temples, but doesnt want theirselves to be known (possibly a freemason, or templar, whatever) i mean, no one knows what this is, but we do know the main theme. "God" is central to this, and everything is very neatly fitted to speak of it as if it was a real thing that people were talking about. I dont know, but i just see a different story unfolding, one around like, little stories: Whether they were directly relevant at the time of their inclusion, i dont know, and who cares. Its an artists rendering to me. It just so happened to have very strong conviction around it.

Lol, someone mentioned something about this clenching anus thing not too long ago -That i wanted to add something to, cause I thought of another aspect to it, And make sure yous read everything first, or yous wont know what im talking about, trust That is, based on my response to it too, which was something akin the "immune system, generally, and the anticipating of something SUDDEN, before it happens", atleast thats how i describe it when you boil it down. So when you drop down into a stillness mindset or a vacant parking lot or a desolate forest, those are all instances of having begun in a certain gear, but then having ended up *shifting gears, where your mind and body are trying to acclimate to the environment or situation or sudden change in attitude. And that was all related~As the original poster was talking about butt-clenching in certain situations and what I would probably call, outward expressions of the immune system. But i also thought about another important aspect to the overall immune system (in general) and that is this thing about the Carnival vs. Safari, specifically in the area of food, but it might also apply to other things too. That is, when you pulverize your food, atleast ive noticed, it starts tasting the same, like the flavors of a carnival, sortve this odorless cotton candy. Do yous know what im talking about? On the other hand you have the opposite, that is like, fully formed flesh of lettuce and broccoli (or full peanuts, nuts and things like this too) and like what i would call, "Tasking your body with the digesting of the whole safari". Obviously the idea is to find the middle-of-the-road, between food being not-fully-pulverized and somewhat still fully formed, but it goes to show you that theres this extreme that happens at two ends, that atleast for me ive been to these extremes so many times, and thats why im bringing them up; As it goes beyond just food, but its like, you are trying pulverize and digest what is like this ~ Almost sand, like turning everything into sand, and trying to interpret reality based on sand particles that all look identical, and that are all equally thrown into this carnival of personalities. Then you have where, you are seeing and experiencing everything in its most natural form, out in some African wood, or S. American Rainforest, or high up in the Himalayas or something like this, trying to digest the world and its manifestations in a way where they arent really in a form that can be fully digested per say. Iuno, i was curious what yous thought about that: The Carnival v. The Safari *p.s. Just because Science says things happen at a *micro- level, doesnt mean that thats how things operate, down at some micro level, because the way it really works is through surface-level patterns, and Science has conflated those patterns w/ indiscernible things.. Something for yas to think about.

Oh right, i did hear that too. I hope not. Or i do hope there was more on the menu than just ibogaine

Yeah, i question the intentions behind Trump, as it seems to be too coincidental, too much like things are happening for some reason that we cant see, but I dont know what it means. I just see the world changing, and its time for psychedelics to be legalized. I mean, i would go extreme to say all drugs ~ but hey, good enough for now. I havent even really done any drug drugs myself in awhile, and im at the age where im tryina turn people on to these Chinese tea medicines, and these esoteric things, of which i guess must take some time to get more acknowledgement, due to it not really being at the edge of everything provocative and telling. Like, iuno how i knew psychedelics were the answer at like 13, but the provocative and extreme nature of it was evident to me through the connotation. As, it is the 'extremes' that exist far out at the edge that really stick out~that can thus wake people up initially to speak. Hey, it goes back to what Socrates says about Philosophers as a minority, and the nature of those things that exist as a minority, as its outside of the perception of the masses, and public persuasion, seeing as the Philosopher cares about truth and things like this (or Aletheia, or whatever word(s) you might think of it as). True philosophers similarly will always be a minority, as most people are pulled by rep., and practical life, while philosophy demands a controlled, disciplined orientation of sorts.

I have so many fav. parts, like i even like those filler scenes, that im not sure they mean anything, but they are just so funny/awkward and yet somehow are still managing to communicate something. Like not a minute passes where something isnt being said, even through the ambiance and mystic, like (the whole aethetic im still tryina wrap my head around too, this like, Washington state, meets Canada, meets Est or Central America, Ohio or Pennsylvania, meets Nevada/Las Vegas, like that whole Country Sheriffs depa., the Twin Peaks town that looks like Silent hill in some scenes, that setting has my brain twisted up as well, granted maybe that wasn't meant to be confusing, but I was reading into it deeply anyway... Like I felt we were all over Amer., simultaneously) Oh yeah, what was this scene, like it felt like we were in 1950 or something... This was another scene that through me off (haha you are picking all the scenes that totally through me off, lol) About The Website <https://unwrappingtheplastic.com/2018/07/17/the-end-of-time/> Oh , Wow. Very neat.

Please tell me someoneon planet Earth knows what this show is from David lynch, like im tryina figure this out, but this show had some weird reboot in 2017 (given its from 91'), and yeo that sht is the best...

Oh ya ya, this was the last scene, it really through me off, Ha

Its so amazing. I just recently watched it, my lord, its so good, so weird, and so riddle-like. Im still tryina decipher wat i watched, and everynow and then, i think i got a sense for what was happening; but theres so many things interweaved throughout, that im not sure. Maybe with some more time ill stumble on to something, but its like, i mean, its one of those things where ya need more than a week... Like maybe several decades, to really peel back whats going on, or whats bein said, atleast for me, i would need a decade, Ha.

wait.. wait.. wait... Thats not how i want to describe it... Towards the end, i was leading into this thing about patterns.. But it isnt exclusive from scale, where things are starkly either this way or that way, Instead, I shouldve said this... You all *exist a the surface level, as a hierarchy of what is most prominent. And that is just speaking to the very blatant and obvious observations of who we (you) and everyone else is... Like, we experience ourselves from the most obvious perspective. Everyone knows that. Thats not what im speaking to, though its part of what im touching on... As this part that is also hard to describe too... Like, the patterns of experience are not patterned on the micro scale, nor is the micro scale a priority, though it is a consequence of a system where the surface level things have to go right, have to go *as planned, in order for it to go right/correctly. Like im saying, the priority of experience is a drastic point of experience, and the micro scale is almost irrelevant to it, HOWEVER its hard to express what that means for certain people, cause you may (and most people in the future) absolutely will find theirselves in positions where you have to sort things out in an almost scientific and technical way in order to unravvel the predicaments yous are in, like... You can absolutely find yourself in a scientific/technical places naturally, due to the scientific paradigms we find ourselves in today already. Now thats not quite the way i originally intended to explain it, but fuck it, yolo, i dont know how to explain it.

I find this interesting, as a window into the whole methodology and Philosophy beliefs of Sparta and the way people were recruited as Spartans (but just looking at it from an historical point, and how it could speak to those beliefs ~if ever discussed). So disregarding Plutarch as well, and the infant boys w/ deformities being thrown into the catacombs below, children could become what were called Spartitiates, which were children who had ancestry or some connection to Sparta; And in alot of places this is still the case, where you can gain citizenship to a place (atleast alot easier, in a certain places) if you have prior ancestry in that place~from some point in your distant past. From the age of 7, boys entered *agoge,* military training for basic obedience and endurance, so they likely were keeping a very tight, tight unit in there; And where my curiosity went last month, was i was doing research in 700 BC Sparta, when Taranto (of Italy) is founded by Spartan immigrants who get kicked out because of this stupid exception ~ Note, there are alot of little movements/interactions between tribes of Italy and Greece from Ancient times, all throughout BCE During the Messenian Wars, unions in Sparta were permitted to increase their number of soldiers, like an intermezzo and exception, in order to keep up w/ war and such, however later, those who were made citizens/soldiers were *nullified, and that later wave of Spartan sons were forced to leave Sparta; Palanthus, the Parthenuan leader, went to Delphi to thus consult the oracle, and the answer, designated by said oracle said for them to settle @ the harbour of Taranto~or the soon to be~New home of the exiles Taranto. The Partheniae arrived in Puglia region, and founded that city, naming it Tarentum after the son of Poseidon. Granted, it gets a little crazier after that, so im not gonna belabor the point. So anyway, that is just to say, they were keeping a tight shift over there in Sparta, and the political purge lead to those in the military losing their citizenship, and what we would now call "a really stupid *exception to a rule". The whole thing was stupid. And Sparta eventually became very brittle and weak because of this as well as their refusal to adapt, as in the 300-400 BCE, w/ only 700 Spartitiates, there was a decline in everything that once made Sparta so essential to the greater Greek provinces. I mean, after that point the story gets funny ~Once Rome takes over~ As well as when the Visigoths (300-400 AD) sack the city, and thats pretty much it for Sparta at that point.

This stuff is very hard to figure out, so i dont blame anyone if they cant contribute, Alas ive started reading and writing alot on this topic, and I def am interested, BUT admittedly, its one of the hardest topics to really see into. That is, if any of yous want to figure it out w/ me, this is the invitation to do just that, and to join me in figuring it out ~or to point me in a direction that might help me (us) understand the Archaic Period and Classical Greece, in order to get a better sense for what it was like, leading into the Hellenistic and Roman Periods. I was inspired by @Nemra in how he titled his thread, but i thought that i dont think theres gonna be enough books around this very specific thing that im looking at ATM, which rests on knowing "the history of the Muse and the Musician" (or just helping me to understand day to day life in Archaic/Classical Greek living), and learning about places such as Ancient Sparta and the rest of Greece, cause there's this peculiar and unrecognizable thing going on~After we come out of the Mycenaean Period to Archaic an Classical Period of Greece, specifically in terms of How the Muse is perceived, and its relationship to the Musician, we begin to see this personification of the gods through the musicians. Musicians back then were quite different: And just how Greeks experienced & thought of the Muse was quite different. The common word for Muse simply referred to rhythmic speech ... We have to figure the Muse out, cause its so complex, just in itself By the Medieval Period, we all know how the Musicians had all become more like the town jesters, or the town scryer in the way they functioned in day to day life. In stark contrast, the musician in Archaic Greece WAS the personification, they were the Metamorphoses, or a Mythological Anthropomorphism towards people not objects (characters or people), because they received the Muse and communicated it further. Im using terms that i am assuming you are familiar with, so hopefully you will looks into these terms, and what they mean in the context im talking about. Some of you might know what im talking about. Youd be surprised what weve come to learn, as far as the role of the musician and music itself is concerned, how they could subsequently evoke the muse ~or~they were the muse ~invoking through them, and being perceived as such, given their connection to the gods... And the gods are basically like, 'who the Greeks rely on for answers and for settling disputes, et caetera, etc. So, invoking the muse, to them, it was seen as this powerful thing that went beyond inspiration for some artsy means (quite the contrary), it crossed into political, social and spiritual affairs and disputes, and many more things going on in their daily lives (of course, thats is part of my question, getting to the bottom've Ancient Greece) The muse was an extension of the gods, and the musician was akin to a vehicle for that purpose. Likewise, it was the musician who would personify the Muse and play the songs that would then dictate what would happen, like they depended on the musician to say "who is stronger" or "who performed the best" or "who deserves to be heard by the oracle" or something, transferring the right of personification to the individual, and in some sense giving a voice to that individual. In some sense they even were playing the role of the oracle. These are of course the kinds of questions we want to have answered. The musician was essentially establishing what the rules and laws would be in the coming centuries. They were establishing what the language itself should be and sound like, what significance should be carried in words and their meanings, prescribing meaning and giving a voice to the things that we, in todays day and age take for granted as already having and possessing a voice. The word i use for the tradition around Greek gods is Metamorphoses: That is, the transformation of the quality within a god, likened to that of a quality we now see as something a human today may express, or possess (emotions, qualities, traits, et caetera). And the Greeks relied on the gods for those things, including answers to solve hard dilemmas, even if the musician wasnt there or the muse wasnt there, they had to really weigh on the gods for a clue as to what to do, given their devotion towards them. The Greeks have this musical language, this mode of expression that you really have to understand in order to understand them. Of course, i havent done a good job explaining just how significant the language/music was (not to mention, the gods themselves were) in everyday life, nor have I explained WHY the gods were so significant, and things like that, but that is because this topic sortve requires you to have investigated it ~im sortve asking for alot, but I believe yous will figure something out~

Yous might find the stuff in first hour interesting, And do feel free to talk bout, but i actually found the latter half, bout an hour or 2 hours in, where we are tlkin bout like all these competing departments in the universities and industries who want to get the financial support for their particular area... Like our system is so screwed up, its like, what could we do about it, i mean it seems to be the story w/ almost anything that relates to scientific research and stuff, i mean, theres potentially good science happening out there, that doesnt survive w all of the competition (or its atleast lesser known, and exists in theoretical forms in papers nd such)

It might be helpful to know the following three terms: Theomorphos, vs. metamorphoses, vs. teofania~of "theophany" Given that youll have to think of things in this way, as far as the nature of the Ancient Greeks, and whats happening in writing and speech, in regards to the tangled nature of all of those things, together. ϴεόμορφος (Theomorphos) is used when something resembles a god in form or presentation, like a human portrayed w/ divine features. Any quality, idea or concept described as having divine shape, or an artistic expression, depictions where a figure is given godlike proportions or attributes. Its sortve the transposed version of metamorphoses, whereby theomorphos describes the resembling of god in form, presentation, or god-like proportions that may take the form of metamorphoses (the manifestation or transformation of qualities that can become mortals, plants, animals, gods and events) ϴεοφάνεια, made of θεός (god) + φαίνω (to appear) Ergo a "teofania" is any moment where a god becomes perceptible in the world—seen, heard, or otherwise revealed to humans; This of course may transcend typical godly figures as manifestations within natural events instead, but still interpreted as divine presence (storm, light or voice)

This is a megalist of *100 books, granted the first part is just going through alot of whats called the Greek Collections (First Assortment) But if you continue down youll see stuff that I got from another person's reading list (its not someone from Actualized dot org, but again, its possible some of these books have been mentioned), and it includes things ive added~that i thought were missing, that seemed to fit the aesthetic of this list in particular. Some of the books on the reading list got removed, e.g., a couple books on magick i didnt find appealing since it involved things like locating a knife that is the length of a goat or something odd like this, as it just doesnt seem to be representative of the kind of esoteric/mystic (<3 divination, theurgia, spellcrafting and prayers, & vancian magick) that most people would respond to. You sortve have to look at the Greek & Roman entries into this field, or skip to the modern era, closer towards the third/fourth assortment, to get straight to the more modern writing tradition, attitude and novelettes n'poetry, or the scaffold of which everything has lead up2 So anyway, here's the list. If yous want any resources to websites and such (including words/term's definitions, or anything about Greek literature, e.g., reading material on Poseidon), feel free to ask me here. Πρωτο Reading List: First Assortment Apollonius of Rhodes, Argonautica Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica Orphic Argonautica Petrarch, The Secret Petrarch, Secretum Pindar's Odes (Olympian, Pythian, Nemean, etc.) Plutarch, Roman Questions Plutarch, Of Isis and Osiris Hesiod, Shield of Heracles Hesiod, Theogony Hesiod, Works and Days Horace, Ars Poetic Horace, Odes Horace, Satire Herodotus, Histories Palaephatus, Peri Apiston Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses Apuleius, Metamorphoses Ovid, Metamorphoses See also, Roman de la rose, il fiore, et caetera* Ovid, Art of Love Ovid, Fasti Ovid, Tristia Aristophanes, Frogs Aristophanes, Birds Aristophanes, Acharnians Aristophanes, Assembly Women Aristophanes, Knights Aristophanes, Lysistrata Aristophanes, Peace Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae Aristophanes, Wasps Library Of Diodorus Siculus Library Of Apollodorus Library Of Photius Aeschylus, Agamemnon Aeschylus, Eumenides Aeschylus, Libation Bearers Aeschylus, Persians Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes Aeschylus, Suppliant Maidens Iamblichus on the Mysteries (See 'Chaldean Oracles) Iamblichus, Life of Pythagoras Euripides, Alcestis Euripides, Andromache Euripides, The Bacchae Euripides, Cyclops Euripides, Electra Euripides, Hecuba Euripides, Helen Euripides, Heracleidae Euripides, Heracles Euripides, Ion Euripides, Iphigenia at Aulis Euripides, Iphigenia at Tauris Euripides, Medea Euripides, Orestes Euripides, Phoenician Women Euripides, Rhesus Euripides, Suppliant Women Euripides, Trojan Women Seneca, Medea Seneca, Thyestes Seneca, Phaedra Seneca, Hercules Furens Seneca, Agamemnon Seneca, Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium *(n.18, Saturnalia)* Bacchylides, Epinician Odes Dithyrambs of Bacchylides Nonnus, Dionysiaca Hyginus, Fabulae Fragments of Sappho Fragments of Simonides Fragments of Anaximander Lucian, Reading List: Second Assortment Lucian, Anacharis Lucian, A True Story Lucian, Alexander the Flase Prophet Lucian, Consonants of Law Lucian, Charon Lucian, Dance Lucian, Descent not Hades Lucian, Dialogues of Courtesans Lucian, Dialogues of the Dead Lucian, Dialogues of the Sea Gods Lucian, Double Inditement Lucian, Fisherman Lucian, Hermotimus Lucian, How to Write History Lucian, Ignorant Book Collector Lucian, On Sacrifice Lucian, On the Syrian Goddess Lucian, Parliament of the Gods Lucian, Praise of Demosthenes Lucian, Scythian Lucian, Ship or Wishes Lucian, Toxaris Lucian, Zeus Rants Miscellany, Reading List: Third Assortment Aetius of Amida, Libri Medicinales See also "Full Summary on Medea, Snake Medicine & the Context around Theriac" Hippocrates, Ancient Medicine Lucretius, De Rerum Natura Parmenides, On Nature τὰ Χαλδαϊκὰ λόγια (Chaldean Oracles): Julian the Theurgist, Julian the Chaldean Philostratus, Life of Apollonius of Tyana Galen, Opera Omnia Galen, On the Natural Faculties Pliny the Younger, Epistulae Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia Cain, A Mystery *(Lord Byron)* Aradia, Gospel of Witches Sir Arthur, A Study in Scarlet John Tzetze, Ad Lycophronem John Tzetze, Book of Histories Georg Luck, Arcana Mundi Sarah Iles Johnston, Hekate Soteira H.D., Helen in Egypt H.D., Hermetic Definition H.D., Hermione Hellenica Oxyrhynchia Antonin Artaud, Heliogabalus Ljuba Bortolani, Magical Hymns from Roman Egypt Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to King Helios Julian the Philosopher, Hymn to the Mother of the Gods Carl Ionescu, She Who Hunts Christine de Pizan, The Book of the City of Ladies Michael Marullus, Hymni Naturales Celsus, De Medicina Catullus, Poems Colluthus, Rape of Helen Pseudomonarchia Daemonum Karl Kerenyi, Dionysus Karl Kerenyi, Eluesis Karl Kerenyi, Prometheus Karl Kerenyi, Hermes Stephanie Budin, Artemis Alan Moore, Promethea Pausanias, Descriptions of Greece Sarah Iles Johnston, Restless Dead Sarah Iles Johnston, Mantike Fritz Graf, Ritual Texts for the Afterlife Walter Otto, Dionysus: Myth and Cult Walter Otto, Theophony Ludwig Klages, Cosmogonic Eros Maria Mili, Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly Henry Chadwick, Origen Contra Celsum Macrobius, Saturnalia Petronius, Satyricon Miscellany, Reading List: Fourth Assortment (in no particular order) The Derveni Papyri Athanassakis, The Orphic Hymns The Orphic Fragments of Otto Kern Thomas Taylor, The Hymns of Orpheus GRS Mead, Orpheus: The Theology of the Greeks B.P. Reardon, Collected Ancient Greek Novels Algis Uzdavinys, Orpheus and the roots of Platonism Ἑλληνιστικοὶ ποιηταί, Nicander, Alexipharmaca (from a tradition of Orphicesque Metamorphoses, Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, Sophocles, Callimachus, Alcaeus, etc.), etc. Wasson, Ruck, Hoffman, The Road to Eluesis Ekaterine Kobakhidze, Metaia Herman Hesse, Narcissus and Goldmund Federico Garcia Lorca, Blood Wedding Callimachus, Lycophron and Aratus Carmina Profana, Romulea X (Medea) Edgar Allan Poe, Ligeia Edgar Allan Poe, Morella Boccaccio, De Mulieribus Claris Satisfactio ad Guntharium James Clauss and Sarah Iles Johnston, Medea Jeffery Henderson, The Maculate Muse Jeremy Reed, The House of the Dead Madison Cawein, The Waste Land (T.S. Eliot) Jack Vance, The Dying Earth Felix Gilman, The Revolutions Edward Bulwer-Lytton, Zanoni Robert Graves, The Greek Myths Robert Graves, The White Goddess James Fraiser, The Golden Bough Peter Grey, The Red Goddess Reginald Scott, The Discovery of Witchcraft Hans Dieter Betz, The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Henry Corbin, The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism Jean-Pierre Vernant, Myth and Thought Among the Greeks Marcel Detienne's The Masters of Truth in Archaic Greece Maria Mili's Religion and Society in Ancient Thessaly The Seven books of Paulus Aegineta Le Comte de Lautreamont, The Songs of Malador The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean by Maurice Doreal Note, this list does not focus on Philosophy/Greater literature of Greek thought and such (maybe youd call it "philosophical foundations and such"), Alas there's another +100 books that we could've added