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If anyone is to do research on history and that critical year between the 1 BCE and 1st Century AD, youll likely come across Flavius Josephus. Hes got a very long, long story, and it has nothin to do w/ Jesus. I say that cause Jesus's name comes up next to his, though this is one of those things happening slightly offset from the crucifixions of the same vague years~give or take, and i think this story has alot more moving pieces, Alas you could write several TV shows just on the life and experiences of this guy, see for yourselves When we finally get to the point, an hour or so in, we see Josephus reflecting, right in the mid., of writing The Jewish War in Aramaic, intended for Jewish communities, and a Greek vers., shaped w/ Roman/Flavian audiences in mind; Tho only the Greek vers., survives. Then there's Book 20, Chapter 9, Section 1: Josephus describes the death of the high priest "Festus", and the power vacuum before his replacement "Albinus" arrived. The high priest Ananus (Annas II) took advantage of this gap in Roman oversight to convene a San'hedrin, and execute people he wanted gone. Josephus writes that Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin: "the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned" This execution of James (who we call the brother of "Jesus") is 62 AD by the deduction/offset ~ per the Josephus perspective, and this is corroborated by other sources like Eusebius and Hegesippus. Though im sure even this is debated, cause what isnt debated these days. So he's writing about events that happened roughly 30 years prior to himself. He himself would have been around 25–26 years old when James, the brother was executed. Josephus (age ~25-26) when James was executed in 62 AD, so then working backwards, Josephus would be born around 37 AD. But it doesnt tell us about the time from Jesus TO James, atleast if you're going solely from Josephus. Also, this is the same~w/ regards to what we learn from those later figures, Eusebius and Hegesippus, who say James, brother of Jesus was executed in 62 AD. We can then bring in Pontius Pilate's governorship (26–36 AD). Taking it at face value, the execution falls somewhere within 26–36 AD—although we still dont know bout Jesus—tradition thus far tells us theres a 29-32 year gap between the James and Jesus execution.

This kindve shows yous the lineage of decision making ~ for the Greeks (who were essentially the Romans from generations before) were all about Virtue, and Justice, Virtue & Justice as more of higher priority aspects ~ And it shows you how or why the bible is being written, in the sense that, the Ancient Greeks and Romans didnt care about the Angels; They didnt care about like ~ What Enoch was told... Wait, i shouldnt say they didnt care... They didnt *hold it to such a high priority that they thought it should coincide w/ the broader collection of texts. And so my point is like, Greeks wrote and arranged the bible to preserve what they thought represented justice and virtues, without the Jewish influence really having a say, And thats probably for good reason too as there was alot of "exaggeration" that you had to get through to sortve build this Jewish Magnum Opus... I mean, The Roman Empire went on later as a symbol of these things, that reflect the interests of the Vatican or the church of 4th CE, like that Vatican was, and still is like a symbol of what it is, its like... Rome took over, and Christians were in some sense, traditionless children who were taken ahold of, and forced (through happenstance scenarios) to approach life with the bible at their side. Like we have the wiggle room to see beyond, but the children of the original traditionless children didnt have that type of flexibility. Note, heres some ancient history yous can investigate: The Pentateuch (first five books) was translated around 280–250 BC in Alexandria, Egypt, That leads into a story bout the Torah translated to Greek... BUT what is missing from the story is those are Egyptian priests translating/writing, in the same way the Greeks would be looking at those texts, translating and writing. There is no bible at that point. We would be remissed to make a claim on "What those texts were" that go between Egypt and Greece, cause they dont come as a concrete collection, and they dont have the evidence to back it... They do have the Greek, so thats what yous can say. Like if Egyptian Priests cared, then they would surely be replicating texts all over like crazy, right? But thats not whats happened. Egyptians wouldve prioritized Egyptian beliefs. Who knows what or how the Torah even happens, and it doesnt matter. Its not representative of a puzzle piece that explains history, its just a roadblock to what the history would require in order to make sense. You could say the "Garrish-Maqluba" language was the original language that the bible was written in, and it would be making the same statement that tells us nothing, nor does it even make sense.

e.g. if all the bible was about people having these religious experiences with angels~Like one angel after another, the next obvious question would be if what we are hearing in the text is all about the angels (of heaven) or *Angel as an elaborate version of the non-angelic people experiencing something "Angelic". Like it would become such an obvious question, that it wouldnt be like "Theres two angels here... A direct exp. w/ God there... An interesting magical conclusion there, etc, etc" Instead we would have a bridge towards the next obvious questions, "Are these events real..Are we just misunderstanding *Angelic?"

@R.Thundercat, about M.Biglino ~ I'm listening to Mauro Biglino atm, And i wanna say i like this guy, but i cant understand what he says (XD halol), as hes tryina say something about "taking the book literally/historically"... However ... theres something in the description that says hes gona be talking about how ".. the chars. in the bible contact non-human (alien?) beings" or something, so i prolly wouldnt agree w/ that part. And again, because his accent is so heavy, its hard to understand. Though, so far from what ive heard him say, i do like this guy. Anyone Italian i find that i have a kinship w/ btw, so that parts not missed on me either lolol... And, later If he does bring up non-human, alien beings, like i said, thatll prolly not be my cup of tea, but everything else i would agree w/ I believe "Angels" are just real people. Not that hes said anything about Angels or Giants yet (i havent got to that if he does) but i would just say that, those are refs. to real experiences, interactions between real people. But that doesnt mean that the people in that experience dont transcend reality/experience; For everyones experience of a person is different then what that person could & may be, and so its not to dissuade everyone from the idea that theres Angels, but "Angel" is a personification, a motif of the mind or an Archetype of the mind. Technically, we could be Angels, and someone reading our words could be someone who believes *Us to be Angels. You see what i mean? *p.s. if i say something thats non-specific or its somethin thats not canon to bible, then i meant the larger corpus of texts that had been excluded from~cause the bible i think only has like two Angels in it ever~But you need all of them cause the whole idea imo depended on them. i assume all them angels are suppose to be in there, and they naively cut em out for whatever reason... Maybe they felt it sounded too unbelievable, i dont know, but it bridges the \*reality of the situation imo—But in angelic form

Oh, italian author right? i think i heard of him but i havent checked him out... i def will though... thanks for that, i am interested in that sortve stuff. I like listening, nd hearing wat ppl have to say, as it helps see what the broader opinion.. Even if its like a scholar who only does bible stuff.. & even if after i watch it and give it my full & honest attention, at the end~Even if i end up disliking him, i still appreciate being given the opportunity to dislike him if that even makes sense i dont know... I think wat im tryina say is, ppl should know that, You Are Appreciated. Atleast, I appreciate you. As some people dont hear that enough, And you can see their fire slowly dimming. Hey, Iuno about what others think out there, but i appreciate you. And that goes for everyone. I mean, its weird how we are sortve challenging each other as a form of appreciation... but then again, if we didnt do that, And if alls we said was "I appreciate you" over & over, it would surely lose its meaning, dont yous all agree? And there is something i wanted to leave for others who dont yet know or understand how to get started in history, languages, etc.... @everybod: My personal suggestion for others is... Dont start w/ learning Greek or Hebrew (language) unless you are coming from the Italian language. Greek is not hard by any means, but just to ensure the smoothest transition and exp., go in this order of operations, 1. Italian, 2. Latin (or go w/ Alchemical Latin first, And THEN italian, cause thats wat i did), 3. THEN Greek, and Hebrew if you are into it (it only has like a couple thousand words anyway) ... And i dont mean learn EVERYTHING in italian, i mean, sortve Dive into Italian to immerse yourself in it, then Dive into Latin to immerse yourself in it... Then do that w/ Greek. Lemmas/Thesaurus & dictionaries and very helpful. You def wanna learn the rules. Write down "your interpretations" of the rules, so that all these things *belong to you... Like, *to appreciate something, is to possess it... if you know wat i mean.. And so thats the sequence you want to follow. and after you do that you will understand why i suggested it that way. I mean most ppl prolly do know this, maybe some dont. But i jus thought i should make it explicitly said.. Itll just be easier... again, not that its that hard... but in order to sortve "backtrack the philosophy" of the romantic language emergence, you have to follow that yellow brick road, and not go, gellow, red, blu, gren, indigo, cerulean, etc p.s. in order to *backtrack Alchemical Latin, this is the key resources that i used to start, note however they also delve into some unusual bits of history, atleast these first books... And i forget if its the second or first volume that had the actual index of all the names (that is, Latin names of Elements + stages/processes, actions, substances, materials, recipes, qualities): i. Histoire de la pharmacie à travers les âges. Tome I, de l'Antiquité au XVIe siècle (In French, "History of Pharmacy Through the Ages. Volume I, from Antiquity to the 16th Century", 8th Century BC — 16th Century, et cætera) ~ ii. Histoire de la pharmacie à travers les âges. Tome II, du XVIIe siècle à nos jours (In French, "History of Pharmacy Through the Centuries. Volume II, from the 17th century to the present day", approx. 1700 — 1931 or 1932). ~ iii. Medicinisch- Chymisch- und Alchemistisches Oraculum: *(...)* (In German, which goes on, and fully reads as, "Medicinal-Chemical- and Alchemical Oraculum: in which one finds not only all the signs and abbreviations which appear in the prescriptions and books of physicians and pharmacists as well as in the writings of chemists and alchemists, but also a very rare chemical manuscript of a certain Reich, is enclosed", Ulm, Germany, 1755). ~ iv. In addition, I should reference the various alchemical writings by Paracelsus of the 15th Century — Archidoxes, Coelum Philosophorum, et cætera. Note theres, Alchemical Latin, German, French and Italian (And Ancient Greek Alchemy which is a whole other story) And so you are getting a little taste of this right from the start.

I just wanna leave one more note here for yall to build on, and that is how this story is bigger than Jerusalem and surrounding areas ~ As the common fascination is w/ the common era (1st AD Century), the same 12 disciples, or the same characters that pertain to the new testament, and thats a story of not so many characters, and trying to work w/ evidence that youd be hard pressed to say one way over the other about. I found it interesting because it related to "Rome" and Greece. Like, i believe that theres a piece of Rome / Greece that we are missing in order to change things for the better. I dont think things are gonna change for the better by looking at Jesus for the 50'ith thousan'th time again. Its the same situation w/ the old test., that is, your Noahs, Abrahams, Isaacs.. Jacobs, Josephs, Moses'... Alongside Aaron and Miriam (P.s. Moses is a common name... Thutmoses, Amenmose, Ramesses essentially = RaMoses); And several hundred years later n the old testa., you got Joshua, Gideon, Naomi, Ruth, and Boaz, followed by Samuel, Jephthah, Ephraim, Samson, Saul, David and Solomon, and then Jehoshaphat, Elijah, Jehoram. Similarly you have the Angels outside of the bible (though theres one or two mentioned in the bible~canon): Arariel, Ariel, Azazel, Azrael, Bachiel, Cassiel, Cherubim, Daniel, Eisheth, Gabriel, Jerahmeel, Jophiel, Lailah, Michael, Nuriel, Nephilim, Ramiel, Raphael, Raziel, Samael, Seraphim, Sariel, Teraphim, Uriel, Zerachiel These are anecdotal figures from the ancient era, if they are real; Not characters that we know forwell (beyond any verses they might have in the bible). The new testament figures assoc., Jesus (or James or Mary) are the kinds of characters that fascinate ppl, but like, theres only so many times you can look at Luke 3:4 –> As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: Or ‘A voice of one calling in the wilderness... “Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him. Theres mystical theology and material not included in the bible, but you are reading the same things over and over, its stuff about Jesus (or stuff leading up to him) and im not sure what the goal in all of that would be, other than being like a fake-intellectual scavenger hunt toward nothing. Theres little, if any, Philosophy hanging at the other side of the rainbow. But, if yous wanna see a crazy story, https://eulogikon.org/index_alphabetic Start from the first figure at the top, "Abydenus the Historian", and just scroll up a little to see if the figures that start with /A/, see if they ever end... or count to yourself (1, 2, 3...) And see how long it takes to get to the first figure that starts with /B/... Thats jus' a slice of all of the figures (starting with /A/ alone) that derive from the Ancient Greece / Roman era of literature and fragments, fragments that we've had passed down to us. That is the epitome of Philosophy since it contains the seeds of what would be the recordings of~and the guide itself on Philosophy; Philosophy as a common term/notion that ppl would come to know I am going off topic, cause i already made a thread specifically on Philosophy, but this is just to say that, I wasnt actually interested in Jesus or the bible. I was tryina make a thread on whats-his-face, Josephus Flaviius to demonstrate that there are people from Jerusalem that are able to lead the story towards something \*else, instead of leading it BACK into that sht show that is Jerusalem, And they somehow survive, possibly being lucky enough to tell the tale and say something significant, and not about, "glory to the lord". Someone like Josephus Flavius wouldve been an example of someone staggered and shook, and just trying to *resolve those events in his head, in some way that felt like it was the truth for his situation / dilemma. All lives / experiences are like a resolve of a particular dilemma that we are thrown into, you know, if it isnt Jesus, then its like the Planetary Aliens and the Galactic Light on the Pedestal or somethin. If it isnt Big Foot, then its the Abominable Snow Man / Yeti', if its not Skinwalker Ranch, its something else... I mean, theres gonna be something at the *center of the conversation, and Jesus just so happens to look like something that fits in the center of a story, but that is like, a pointer to an experience that is a mystery, in the same way a' rare unicorn creature in S.Amer., or N.Russia is a mystery~seeing as nobodies ever found it yet. We continue to search for the unicorn, we continue to search for Jesus (or Satan, same thing, same *seed atleast). But these may not even be real people or creatures. History makes alot more sense when you see it from like a step-by-step, like carving one inscription on the wall at a time, and adding puzzle piece inscriptions to the canyon-side-winde or somethin', that which hold the most potential.

@ButtersIve seen this before. It was okay.

In Classical Greek (5th–4th c. BCE), / χ / was pronounced [kʰ] → that is, [k] + puff of air (like an inner aspiration) within... Later, during the Hellenistic period, / χ / shifted: /kʰ/ → /x/ → kch sound (like, "Bach", a rough, gutteral fricative sound) That's when it starts to resemble German *Bach (e.g., Scottish loch... Or theres the Welsh breathy "hiss", though i think its higher pitch). It use to be quite different. The point is, i dont actually know why it starts to go in that direction (someone mentioned the Babylonians having these kindve sounds, but those gutteral sounds are going through significant changes; Ergo its more complicated than that). The Phoenician alphabet had a letter called ḥet (𐤇) first of all, so we are beginning from the West. In some sortve round about way however, Akkadian/Assyrian eras in the timeline are going to encounter Egyptian inscriptions or Phoenician (possibly just stones assoc. w/ "tones"~sortve like runestones, introduced, or demonstrated as to why its better than scratching cuneiform marks). *Note, on the topic of *stones, scholars bring up Greek πέτρα in the bible alot, and totally miss the analogy somehow, but lets not get into it or we will be way off topic... By the late first millennium BCE, Aramaic alphabet writing emerges alongside cuneiform, and they are like "Well fck, why are we writing these little unintelligible marks... We need to switch to this since the whole natural speaking world is tryina write us messages" You cant send messages to Egypt unless you are writing in a shared languages. You can think of it like a proto-UN language: if two empires dont share a language for official documents, theres no way to make treaties, trade agreements, or military reports work reliably. But what is the point to all of this? Well you can use the evolution of language to understand when or where these words are coming from, whether it be a word from the bible, or a word from something else. You can thus tell, for instance, take Paul, if Paul is using some word, we can tell where that word is coming from by looking at its etymology, and the sounds in it during his time. p.s. Just to reiterate, you cant go by Proto-Indo European (unless you can see the actual connection it makes clearly), and nor can you go by Jewish Assyrian or Paleo-Hebrew, or Magikal Hebrew, or Hebrew-Hebrew, as they are languages that either are used as a *catch-all, or they are Magickal languages happening after the bible~unless your research is on the Medieval ages and Renaissance. But anyway, u dont want to investigate Hebrew, as its an *intentional deadend/limiter, like an intentional tribal garbage-collector language(s), granted they dont actually have distinct evidence, so you just have to imagine that there is some evolution/incentive leading up to distinct variations. Like the Bronze Age happened in 1200–1150 BC, but for Hebrew it was a Bronze Age Collapse happening every year~era, forcing them into a perpetual bronze age reboot... we're mostly reconstructing what we think is Hebrew from later forms, which hides centuries of variation!) p.s.s. Egypt/Nile R., & the Red Sea is a natural divider, policing the border of the continents of Africa and the M.East. And thats not a coincidence. That's pure strategical history carved out, though it is later generations of Egypt that are closing the gates so to speak ~

What about "Grey" (... theyve washed away)

It might be better next time for us (or to others who are to *pickup what you are putting down) or "what you mean" essentially, by presenting it to *us like... (NOTE: This is a demonstration for any future definitions) Example: Knowing = The ability to represent (explain "representation" ~) Example: Doing = To understand (e.g., to embody/digest/process, physically & mentally) ~ p.s. "the ability to do a thing" could also imply "abilities ~" (clarify what you mean, otherwise it would be akin to "Reminder: X means Y, Goodbye")

Im diagnosed w/ Schizophrenia; Alas i am sympathetic to your whole scenario: regarding your ques., "... be better if i stop taking it?my mom says that im gonna have a serious crisis but im confident that i will have a better life widthout them..." I would need more information to answer such a ques., but i digress, 'Cause alot of ppl ask questions like this, but they dont give any context or explanation besides "I dont wnna do this thing, should i do this thing?" Ergo, this is a question that I would require more information~knowing more into your situation in order to properly think about~and to subsequently answer correctly, as just going on a sentence or two isnt enough in the area of medicine and diagnoses.

Returning to Paul~addressing the question from ealier (as i havent forgot about Paul, Alas i am just quite busy lookin up many things in the process) But anyway, I had recently come across some more things. 1st I want to define some terms that'll help us understand better~That is, the situations in and around Levant during the 1st CE (~ when we would officially go from Jewish religion to whats later going to be called Christianity~And the hope to close THAT gap in future research... granted, we are the evidence that it isnt gonna last, from todays future, unless we back it w/ tradition) Antioch (near the Orontes River) was the birth place of Χριστιανός (Christianos) as a way to refer to followers of Christ. The term was used teasingly, most likely, as the local, non-Jews heard Jewish followers (Nazarenes) say Yeshua ha-Mashiach or Ἰησοῦς ὁ Χριστός, which stood out from other Jews who didnt follow Jesus. I think we had already described the situation around the region, and all those beliefs that had existed at the same exact time, and how you had normal Greeks living alongside foreign groups, the Jews, etc. I thought we should also mention terms related to the Jews, such as a "polis" (a self governing community of citizens, or sojourners, i.e., temporary citizens of a place); A "proselyte", a convert of Judaism ~which can be a Christian or Gentile of any type. So that sortve give you some terms to look for when looking @ Paul and early Christianity. But looking specifically on Paul (or "St. Paul" as he's called in Christian tradition 'cause of his saintly role) as prior to his conversion to Christianity, he was actually known for persecuting early Christians himself... In Acts 7–9, it says Paul (or "Saul", his Jewish name) was present at the stoning of Stephen, one of the first Christian martyrs, and that he actively sought to arrest Christians in Jerusalem. He's described as zealously defending Jewish law and seeing the new Christian movement as a dangerous sect. Paul himself too, mentions it in his letters (in Galatians 1:13–14). Again i dont want to go too deep into the bible, as my main concern is in The Old Testament towards "Creation" and "Exodus", or the events in or around Israelites v. Egypt. But Paul is a good entry towards that direction, to get us towards the truth of the text. After Paul's conversion—famously on the road to Damascus—he is to become one of the most influential missionaries and theologians of early Christianity; And he addresses various Christian communities the letters, the epistles, of the New Testament, them containing moral instructions and guidance and so forth. Some scholars suggest that certain ideas in these letters—like the mystical language in or around *spiritual knowledge and the distinction between flesh v. spirit, were compatible w/ ~or influenced later by~ Gnostic thought. That may likely depend on how we view Jesus and his followers, and what the context is to their religion. I honestly couldnt care less about Jesus, unless it gives us something on the Old Testaments. But what I like about Paul, is how he is our main witness, like... Paul is the revealer and the savior, atleast in the context of these call 'em "disclosures". So to me Jesus is sortve the victim of a million piece puzzle, and the others hold the pieces. Some ppl try and figure out Jesus, and im sortve the opposite, using the little we know about him to understand everything else. Plenty of others have prioritized Jesus in terms of searching him out in some regard. *p.s. Just to reiterate, if ppl have info on Genesis and Exodus, and those verses that can help point us to the events touched upon in those sections, let me know more bout it, as thats where my foot gets between me and the door~so to speak. Or if you have more on Paul and you want to answer the question of "Who was Paul" (or even "who was Josephus Flaviius") whether it be from a more gnostic perspective, or from the traditional route, plz do feel free to say anything you want. Im just *throwing stuff up on the wall to look at, that is, a wall of brainstorming and haphazard facts, but well articulated facts.

Ive seen lots of different text and writing in africa & the middle east, and i find this very much relevant to the endeavor to investigate other languages, as theres many, many, many writings, that all have potential to tell part of the story ~ a million piece puzzle story that weve only jus begun... Also i like Arabic cause, although theres all these variations of like an ancient arabic-esque writing goin back to thousands BC to the end of antiquity, Arabic doesnt get standardized til 7th CE, wherein they are workin w/ what they got to make somethin that ended up wholly unique... Cause i mean, Assyrian/Aramaic i feel has the best writing system, in terms of like, the ability to communicate & understand each other, and its written form looks great ~ but arabic ~ over time said, lets actually use the glyphs as iterations of each other... And what i mean is, they said, let this *swoop be letter#1, then let swoop with a break be letter#2... etc... Then, When we get to letter#4 or #5 lets go w/ a different shape or style, repeating that motif... And thats an interesting way to think of things, As its not like what we get from Phoenician, or not the later derivation, where everything is scattered (p.s. the arabic system is very interesting yous should look into it... my description only describes the visual pattern) The only thing i dont like is the way you are squinting to see what letters, alt., and sound relationships are coming up, but thats not entirely an arabic thing... Even greek and others began with wat i would call like a "closed vowel" system, like.... The spectrum doesnt prioritize [Ay] or [Ohhh] in the way we make everything distinct and w/ everything Long vowel & loud vowel in English... Like, we make distinctions in English but we dont get the nuances of somethin like Arabic~distinct abjad, and/or the syllabic styles that were more simplistic. I mean, i like it when the sounds are more closed, but more importantly i just want more [guh] in a language. I feel like theres so many [ka] but not enough "ga", except "god". I think [g] was more popular in older languages, nd we went through a period turning words into all [k] sounds. p.s. if yous ever ask yourselves, why do we have /c/, /k/, /q/ and /s/ and /c/ is sometimes /s/, thats a long story, but we can make it a short story by bringing up greek & phoencian, where greek also has 3 different glyphs for /s/, and phoenician too has 3 different /s/ 'like letters, long story short, the adoption and communication of phoenician going between these, creates a different system in the beginning, as the tribes in italy & greece have their own language but are using phoenician to represent their native sounds, and those 3 different /s/ sounds dont fit cleanly onto the ancient italic and ancient greek systems. Eventually Greek is brought to italy permanently, and, that makes it even more confusing for Latin. Theres history on wikipedia bout Etruscans using /Q/ and more the uses of /C/ and /K/... ill hav to find the page.

When i was in 4th or 5th grade or so i had that Harry potter & the philosophers stone book, and that sht was so good, nd i dont think the other books were out yet as jk rowling was writing them sequels on the fly at a coffee house in UK or Ireland or whereverthefk. And this was before lotr, even though LOTR went through spurts of being well known in the 70s or one of these generations. But anyway, the philosophers stone, that sht was the philosphers stone. Now i thought the first book was good, but its hard to really do like 17 harry potter fkin movies nd expect it to carry steam, like i know ppl in hollywood make movies, they arent think like "lets work on one thing and have that one thing be incredible". Its like, they are doin a scattered, 9-5 sortve, get the job done, and hire the artists typeve thing, so if you are lucky you get a script on your desk thats an original like harry potter was. I mean the book had jus came out. Then you hope to find a cast and crew and digital artists or watever else. You use to have alot of effort put into where things were gonna be filmed, like the hobbit & LOTR was the last time prolly where they made everyone go to New zealand and campout there to get natural shots, granted they still had digital tech all throughout, so iuno if there was a greater reason to do it that way. Point being its like, they arent even trying things out, like Wizard of Oz style, or like tryin somethin with half disney animation, half real ppl... Like i could make a list of tjousands of experimental ideas to try, and yet hollywood is made of how many millions of ppl who cant even get one godamn non Marvel comic or remade script together.

@Jowblob Thats interesting. Hey, thats the first time i heard that experience, though i could imagine it of course, as im comin from a perspective of not bein gay, but im sure gay men are the opposite, cause their kundalini goes up thinkin bout cute guys I was actually thinking of a something, in regards to the perspective of those of the Middle East. Like i think somewhere, theres a city/state or regions of the Middle East or India, or like a Gay Tropical island, where all the Gay Middle Easterners go to be freely gay or tran and such, as I could imagine that that the strictest countries of the middle east probably dont take well to gay guys or girls. What are the vehicles called in the M.Est, that are like those tiny carriages? took-tooks? Everytime i see a video of one of those coach drivers that sell the took-took rides, i feel like all of them are def the gay indians that are tryina find other gay men via driving around on the took-tooks , but maybe thats just me. I feel like it was Constantine I, or one of these early emporers in early AD, where they saw the people still into the gay orgies and such, worshipping Greek or Roman Gods and they put there foot down and started banishing ppl, nd hanging anyone that was caught at the gay and trans orgies. If you look at the Roman art, they got quite a few ancient roman art w/ some gay loving going on, that somehow survived. You know, theres not a fragment of ancient hebrew, but gay roman art survives i guess.

I noticed there was alot of "trans-" interest and/or related posts, and as i have a few gay friends, it got me thinkin bout something i jus recently learned about Uranian (a sexuality term) The term Uranian being a 19th-century word refers to men who are attracted to other men. from classical Greek ideas about love—specifically Aphrodite~Urania, a heavenly form of love that ancient writers assoc. w/ love~between males Its sortve like tattoos and stuff like this that go through phases (going back to ancient Dacians and/or the tattoo gingerbread Grandmother's of Bosnia/Croatia, etc) where ppl today are tryina come from it like its this new thing / area of reality, but these are just phases of Mother Nature and its creatures, circling on the same set of ingredients, especially if you look at how Ulrich is circling back to mythology, and how he frames these things. The last hundred years have heavily suppressed all of these ancient ideas; however when it comes to the Uranians, these were just people standing up for their sexuality in the 1800s ~ and was Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, a German, was very much outspoken in regards to He published essays, multiple, under his own name~arguing that men attracted to men was a natural variation of human beings, not criminals or sinners, and of course in 1860~the pinnacle of like, suppressing everything, it was seen as radical. In 1867 @ the German Jurists' Conference 1867 in Munich, he stood up and tried to argue publicly for the decriminalization of homosexuality (note, long story short, he was shouted down before he could finish). But the point is, he was one of the first people to openly argue that homosexuality was natural. He sometimes described gay men as having a "female psyche in a male body" ~ Alas that was a common way to think of it~Or atleast by Ulrichs time it began to ~ He coined terms like: Urning (German) = Uranian ... Opposite is Dioning which is "men attracted to women" (though i dont think it means ordinary typical "straightmen", as hes getting his term from Dionysus, and Dionysus is not a normal character to use, to describe such a thing, so there must be more to it) inb4, later on writers like John Addington Symonds and Oscar Wilde used Uranian to talk about male same-sex love in a more idealized or noble way. There was even a small literary movement called "Uranian poetry" And so, In todays day n age, Uranians (as a word) isnt even really known about. Its not some strange modern category—And this gets to the conclusion here, which is Ulrich, and how he he built a whole universe of descriptions and ideas~of what kind of person Uranian was describing~through a mix of early psychology and classical myth. And if yous wanna get into some old history of "trans" thats a good place to start to build up to Hirschfeld (the classic "transvestite"), David Cauldwell, et caetera (note, those terms we use today around trans- are from the 50s or 60s or around there, though Ulrich was one of the first to really argue that same-sex attraction was inborn and not criminal... And going to Ancient times you have Hermaphroditus, the child of Hermes and Aphrodite, merging male and female, etc) Anyway there was quite a few trans' threads, so i felt it was incumbent upon me to get involved in some way, to some degree, so yous might start to see what/where the preceding terms in this category are coming from ~ p.s. ꝝ → is an abbreviation used for -rum (but i use a similar symbol for capital letter "P", though its more like /ꝝP/ visually)

@everyone p.s. yous can use this thread to talk about (\*things from your own perspective and opinion) on any thing on man on man love, woman on woman love, or how a person feels inside, if they feel feminine or masculine, et caetera, but be careful cause iuno wat yous did ~ but yous got the thread on trans stuff \*closed, and i wasnt there to see what it was about, so im jus saying, jus' try to speak on things that are somewhat sensible or intellectual and things like this.

The term Hebrew must be a catch all term then, cause thats sortve accidentally what theyve created here. As they dont have any clear evidence for any old hebrew alphabet, that is, the jewish assyrian looks assyrian, the hebrew aramaic looks aramaic, etc, so thus hebrew is thus a catch all term, in the same way the proto indo euro-, is just "that which reaches the limit to what we know" in the area of words and etymology and such... So in that way, its just that, they should popularize the jewish words, "Ivri" which refers to "Hebrew", יְהוּדִי (Yehudi) — "Jew/Jewish" (though tech, Jewish~as a people/term~isnt what we are tlkn about, its about Judaism/or *hebrew) יִשְׂרָאֵ (Yisrael) — "Israel" in order to refer to "todays square hebrew" which we have evidence & alphabet for... thats the shortcut to fixing the mistake that is paleo hebrew nd all that stuff down the road. p.s. im watchin this, nd it has me so confused, as im tryina imagine how something goes from like a syllabic context to a daily language for talkin bout real stuff. they must be wrkin on these languages for specifics

Real quick i was tryina draw this analogy between these two areas of research, and how We might start from a sequence that better encapsulates the details ~by which we subsequently come to a conclusion that better reflects said encapsulation... And one thing to add to this is to say that, there is, once again, many different periods (within a reasonable window where Greek has been introduced) where Italy is speaking Greek, alongside Latin-esque languages. Alas this is an era that is after the eras im talking about when mentioning *earlier trade and interactions; As if youve read my stuff before, i talk about there being whats called "Early Pirate Language" (going back to the beginning) And then, another lineage called "Later Pirate Language", which is more related to Phoenician, and those latter-based pirate-based languages that people point out when doing research. But theres whats called "intermediaries" too, that which exist between Egyptian hieroglyphs and those languages to become Phoenician~The Mother tree, the subsequent latter eras that are to inspire ~all languages... The point to this is to say that, there isnt just one lineage of Egyptian-based languages (see "Sinai inscriptions"), and later Phoenician-based~ancient lingua-franca languages, that influence all of these languages in the beginning; As'it leads to the *Phoenician canon- that starts to derive geometrically-relevant languages to today, The Italic Runes and the Greek-canon, and the era before~when the phoenician lineages are interacting w/, as well as after , which is the era that im also *speaking on, when talking about them HAVING established some Phoenician-based language/writing, and the interactions during ~ Now going way back, there is also the Linear B script (see "Linear B") Because that is the syllable-based language from earlier in time, that which doesnt look anything like Greek; And which is one of many~of what yous might call *primitive languages or something, though its important for creating a timeline) P.s. Linear B is actually fascinating, and i still dont know what to make of it, as theres ALOT of these primitive intermediaries like this-that existed-but none of them are anything like Linear B, so wrap your head around that. P.s.s. Also keep in mind, if you look @ Greek from the perspective of the Celticwave (that being essentially composed of Scandanavians-to-be, Celts-to-be, Italians-to-be, etc) they are cork-screwing in from the tribal lands of Ukraine~Russia~round'about areas... landing somewhere in The Alps Region~ Austria-ish areas, but i forget at the moment the exact place where the oldest evidence of civilizations are found... The point being, these are to become all of Europeans. However, they are not natives, as they are encountering ACTUAL euro-natives, and killing off the men to reproduce w/ the women.... So, that Celticwave is to become the Northern Greeks, wherein they are ~like Greeks into Italy~ joining together w/ Turkeytribes/MiddleEstTribes @ Greece/Asia Minor, forming a slow but eventual pact, to acknowledge eachother & liv together, just as the Greeks do when they settle over in Italy So the Greeks are only part Pirate, technically..., but then again, the Scandinavians were a seafaring culture, and depending on how far back seafaring goes, and how influential that Celticwave was to Greece, it could be that they have two different early Pirate cultures coming together as one (to form Greece) though one of them would only be like, "Black sea" or "Caspian Sea" pirates, and the logistics on how they would even be related to this initial Celticwave, or more on the Turkeytribal wave, im not sure, as i suppose its hard to pull those threads apart anyway. ---- Edit: Something else ive been looking at... Ive been real into this Greek Font Society website, which atleast like 20 years old, and you can go to their publications site and find a bunch of free pdf's on the information around Greek typefaces and engravings and all sorts of interrelated history: https://greekfontsociety-gfs.gr/_assets/pdfs/greek_letters/KyleMcCarter.pdf That links you to a book called The Early Spread of the Greek Alphabet, and you can scroll down to the picture~As they demonstrates evolutions between different type (engravings) and how there is a long period of evolution that occurs between these letterforms, to even get to what we would even know&consider a Greek canon... That shows you jus how much time we're talking about, as even the Greek letterforms are taking years and years to develop out of Phoenician based script; ALas, that is a period of evolution that we must assume wouldve taken time. Linear B is quite different from these periods of engravings and such, and like i said; Iuno wat it is

(part iv) in a perfect world, we would get ahold of that Mahdii character (the mahdii has appeared dude) cause hes not Jewish or doesnt consider himself to be~i dont think~So therefore theres no Bias on his part to be brutal... And to create a specialized group from out of his major following, who could work on figuring out all the history involved in Christianity, Judaism and Islam, in order to build up a *New picture of what i call "The scribes deriving scripture at the same time" -sortve thing, but doing so in a broader way, building a system of etymologies, and of like, logically produced epithets. An epithet is a descriptive word or phrase attached to, or substituted for a person's name that captures some defining quality. Or it could involve like "A World Tree of Diaspora Jew" & Muslim, et caetera.... some system that is considerate of how many changes there are, iuno... im sure they would figure it out, as hes got enough ppl to build like a cult following specifically for researching and adding / modulating. And they are all like, Super experts on his stuff im sure, so they jus need to take that dang broad worldview, and build like the "Charles Manson World Tree" lol i say that to be funny, cause ya know, cults can put some serious work in, lol, even if they end up goin in a dark direction (not that i think itll go in a bad direction, but hey, thats wat im sure everyone thought before X cult became wat they were... im speaking to all cults in general of course xD)

(part iii) And so the larger idea we could say ~temporarily~ is that, you come across a lot of rabbis and jews today, some Russian Jews, some Jews from all of the various middle eastern countries, some jews who had returned to israel, some jews in Europe, or in Greece, Turkey, Georgia, or that are East / North of the caspian sea. Some Jews in Egypt, some Jews in Northern Africa, S. Amer., N. Amer., the point being its like, the whole world has little pockets of jewish families from entirely different branches, before the word Jew/Jewish existed, and certainly before the Medieval era when Hebrew started to be shaped into what it is now. Returning to Paul... Scholars placed the life of Paul in 5–15 AD for his birth, and his death around 62–68 AD, most likely in Rome. His active missionary career runs approximately 47–62 AD. The Gallio Inscription is a fixed date in the Pauline chronology ~Gallio~ who was the Roman proconsul of Achaia (Greece), and..... Acts 18 describes Paul being brought before him in Corinth. An inscription found at Delphi independently dates Gallio's tenure to around 51–52 AD. The Roman historian Suetonius mentions Emperor Claudius expelling Jews from Rome, which Acts also references. That's independently dateable to around 49 AD Paul has a couple important biblical passages, but ill let the bible scholars riff on that whole front. Anyway, lets come back to it wen we know more on Paul (P.s. Im not sure wat to make of the bible parts assoc. w/ Paul, so if yous wanna bring them into the fold, go ahead... I just dont want to use the bibles exact wording to give rise to our ideas, as theres no telling where that would lead us, probably down shits creek. Rather, well find *Other Landmarks to match PAUL TO~Working on Paul-the otherway around essentially)

(part ii) anyway, letts call that a totem/pillar, a sortve landmark that we have established on Paul. Now we can investigate paul without any of the scholarly generalizations around it, and locate and describe "Who is what", as each era can be wholly unique. Also we have to consider the Greek language in all of this, which is to say then that, during the development of these proto-languages, they are using Greek to base said writings (eras of Proto languages they call hebrew... they call everything hebrew) We have to be careful here, cause many of this stuff is a trap, that is, not just a trap around scholarly/mainstram views on jewish religion and greek being distilled into "this one little moment in time" (same thing they do to Greek, though its usually from scholars missing or ignoring a large majority of Greek history, and how it is utilized by non-native Greeks, etc) we also have to avoid these narratives that theres no evidence for, or that have been conflated together... Now some things jus "make sense". If something from history just makes sense, then it makes sense and we should be thinking of history from terms that make sense. Let me give yous an example: Scholars ~And even many experts try to say the Latin lineages, or that the majority that relates to the eventual Latin (and i presume all of them from italy in their minds) that it all comes directly from Greek. We know for a fact that Italy is settled by Greeks, who in turn, invite Italic, Etruscan, etc, etc people into their settlements to start a community. As the years go by, many of these tribes are taught Greek, alongside their tribal tongue... But this is YEARS after there had been Italian and Greek tribal interactions. So heres the question; if Greeks interacted with pre- Italian ppl years before this colonization, in order to influence each others language, why did italians have their own language? Why wouldnt the Greeks have just turned them all on to their system? That is, why wouldnt they have just been using Greek? That is, they already had an alphabet, granted it may not have been A B C D E F G.... it mightve been a barbaric vers., plus ordering, but its like saying Greek generated all runic inscriptions, however we see Celtic inscriptions without any runes, And that is a tradition that doesnt rely on this obvious A B C D E F G.... In other words, those pre Germanic, Celtic & Italian tribes , et caetera, they have a long history, and they got their language in the same way Greeks got their language, through interactions with the broader world, and through trade, and this goes back to years where very geometrically simple pirate languages exist: Someone just turned me onto a North African Berber language/writing system (it began w/ a /t/) And, i'd never seen it before last night... That language is an example, of the MANY, many, many languages there were, and how they have potential to play apart in this million-piece puzzle. p.s. round about the same time Greeks came to Italy is actually round bout when we start to see an Alphabet, so i wouldnt be surprised if "Ordering each letter" was an idea traded to Greeks, but we dont have evidence for that, so lets not jump ahead til we know for sure... And i jus bring this all up, so that when we dive into Paul and related areas of history, that we have the most logical answers / foundation established.

I will, now that youve brought him up... Let me see what i can find about him, as far as intrestin stuff. Paul is a very intetesting character, and it gives rise to all of are conception round Christianity. Lets begin w a baseline for now (and theres a few more chunks of history on him in part iii of the following posts) Saul of Tarsus was his full name. Tarsus was a major Hellenistic city in Cilicia (modern southern Turkey/Asia minor Greece), which means he grew up steeped in Greek philosophy, rhetoric, and culture. He wrote in sophisticated Greek — not the koine of a fisherman, but the prose of an educated cosmopolitan. He was simultaneously a diaspora Jew (a jew livin outside the ancestral homeland) and a Roman citizen — a rare and privileged combination. Theres alot of death & destruction around what we might call the earliest *Paul years, or later capitulation ~ surrenderings... that which lead to the Paul who can read + write essentially Theres the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 AD, right around when Paul's letters were circulating and the Gospels were starting to be written. Another major Jewish revolt was crushed in 135 AD and Jews were formally banned from Jerusalem entirely. This essentially ended Judea as a Jewish homeland for nearly two millennia and pushed the remaining population fully into diaspora existence. If we rewind and go back, the following events sortve cause scholars to want to bring thes latter terms like, Jewish and Hebrew, into contexts where, in order to describe the same people, youd have to draw a direct connection, however.. one issue w this is how many times these so called tribes are relocated / displaced throughout history, so theres different tribes in different eras, Hebrew looking nothing like it did just 50 years ago... Not to mention theres gona be Jews everywhere on Earth, independently believing their era of ancestral religion to be of a common era of language, and so forth... but let me rewind... The Assyrian Conquest (722 BC) The northern kingdom of Israel (722 era israel) was conquered and a large portion of the population was deported into Assyria. These are the famous "ten lost tribes." Many of those communities never returned and dispersed further over generations. The Babylonian Exile (597–539 BC) The southern kingdom of Judah was conquered by Nebuchadnezzar. The elite, the priests, the skilled — were forcibly relocated to Babylon. This is a hugely formative era for Judaism as a religion. Jewish identity had to be renegotiated around Torah and practice rather than a physical temple. When the Persians under Cyrus conquered Babylon and allowed Jews to return, many did — but a significant number simply stayed. They had built lives, businesses, communities in Babylon. So even the "restoration" left large populations outside the homeland voluntarily.

This is hard to explain, so plx bear w/ me, as it involves two separate roads; Alas we are going to be walking upon two separate roads, simultaneously, and you need to understand it from the present-future moment perspective. From the present-future moment, one can look into the past, the present or the future. And when looking into the past, we dont mean to invoke God, because, to invoke God is to speak upon the coincidences, the chance encounters, *fate in general, fortunate situations, and serendipity of the future (or within the present) though granted, the present is an abstract and complex idea in itself... Anything that speaks of the present-future circumstances is Not the past. Thats just a matter of differentiating, as we could just as well say that "everything is one, thus no distinctions exist" and be done w/ it from then on~let it go. However, in this case, the past is an entirely separate field, as it starts from the present, pointing backwards into a memory, a memory of a memory. It is that which transcends the "real", as we arent speaking to the real moment. The purpose is to invoke that spirit or memory that we have, and to share it, or to experience it ~ \*through the real, and thus we are Not talking about a direct experience w/ God whilst in the present-past moment. That leads us to a bigger idea which involves "searching for truth" contra to "the istemi to" (i explain this as we go, and will be explaining "-istemi" in ALL of my posts, as its the ultimate on the topic of spirituality) What is God? You may ask that question. Is it not an *intention, introspection into some reflection of the Divine nature of the universe, that which requires \*us to unlock ourselves? Theres decisions happening when you are on "the road", the multiple roads "you COULD HAVE chosen". THat is to say then that, God cannot be with you on a road you havent decided on... God cannot lean towards the left if you are leaning towards the right. God cannot be invoked if you literally MUST disconnect from God/Source, in order to explore the left, or the right. When you choose a road, you allowing the Divine~or the concept of God, you allow it to exist. God is not something that can exist without being invited, because we have freewill. THat is to say then that, the notion of God (the conceptual notion of) is not a "one size fits all", though we mean (try as we might) to experiment and explain what that idea of God is~As when we speak of *It w/ the capital /i/, we are speaking to ourselves, no matter what. When it comes to the one-way-trip, that is the entrance into a road-decided theres alot going on there that we could talk about. Im only speaking to the general notion of, and how God is a conceptual piece of something *within God, *It or /i/ with a capital /i/, it is sortve is like a hologram, or one of those things that are like a reflection of something else. So returning to the "one-way-trip", the (***) path-decided on — If we speak of God in the pejorative, conflating Satan and God together, then we might be mixing everything up, making it very hard to explain other things. Everything starts from a belief in something. It doesnt matter if its religion, or some other idea (however, it doesnt start/end w/ it...) The road you choose is the act of shutting out the road Not chosen. The Light you believe in is not the same light that follows everyone... but try as we might we might hope to explain it. note: i had alot more i was gonna say, but i have a doctors appt. For now, this is more of a roughdraft / or intro towards~what will be a better explanation later.

I assumed yous would actually look up 'who jospehus flavius'~as thats a good place to start to be able to start (thats not the name he was born w/ and its a title he took on later...) And on the topic of pirating, since i brought that up ~ Yas gotta realize that pirating was a lucrative gig, so ppl would been joining it in order to make a living, granted theres different eras of maritime trade. Maybe i have to teach yous about what all the different categories are in the realm of learning and teaching and such... As someone asked if "my goal had anything to do w/ the present moment". However, just in general you want to be specific. Saying "Im confused about everything" or "is this about something that its not about at all" isnt a good place to start, in order to be taken seriously in the world, so heres a list of what everything falls under... 1. Humanities (human meaning): History, Literature, Philosophy, Religion (Language as well, on the interpretive side) note: "Language"-is not only symbolic and interpretative, etc., but its primary~as well as having itself listed as "a requirement" for everything here, so its one of those things that gets "taken for granted" even though you have to learn it~even on a minor level, in order to be able to do or study anything else 2. Trivium/Quadrivium: Trivium (fundamentals, clear thinking): Which has sub genres: "Grammar", "Logic" (also called dialectic), "Rhetoric" — expressing ideas effectively;; Quadrivium: "Arithmetic" — number itself (or the theory therein), "Geometry" — number in space, "Music" — number in time (not just art—but patterns, ratios, harmony, et caetera), "Astronomy" — number in space and time 3. Formal/Conceptual Sciences (pure structure... starts to blend into *applied sciences): Mathematics, Logic, Theoretical Sciences, et caetera 4. Natural Sciences (physical reality): Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Astronomy, Earth science 5. Social Sciences (human systems), Humans (scientifically treated), et caetera, Psychology, Sociology, Economics, Political science, Anthropology. This is about human behavior and organization. I tried to go in order, starting from the categories of history to the modern era, as the modern era has begun to mix things up, in that its not circling back and teaching things in the way they use to be taught. Its not your fault, its the schools & universities job to teach these things, and the direction modern teaching has decided to go has been abysmal. Rather then make a new thread, i just thought we'd continue here, as ive made lots of threads, and it doesnt speak to anyone getting a better understanding, or being able to understand things better. I think things have actually gotten less of an understanding and normal response via the spectrum of specificity and attention-to-detail on my part. Its also why im less likely to return, or try to respond to anyones ques., and just go about my business addressing issues here & there.