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I consider this a kind of prose poetry style (from wikipedia on Francesco di Petracco) And as the book fell open, Petrarch's eyes were immediately drawn to the following words: And men go about to wonder at the heights of the mountains, and the mighty waves of the sea, and the wide sweep of rivers, and the circuit of the ocean, and the revolution of the stars, but themselves they consider not. Petrarch's response was to turn from the outer world of nature to the inner world of "soul": I closed the book, angry with myself that I should still be admiring earthly things who might long ago have learned from even the pagan philosophers that nothing is wonderful but the soul, which, when great itself, finds nothing great outside itself. Then, in truth, I was satisfied that I had seen enough of the mountain; I turned my inward eye upon myself, and from that time not a syllable fell from my lips until we reached the bottom again. ... We look about us for what is to be found only within. ... How many times, think you, did I turn back that day, to glance at the summit of the mountain which seemed scarcely a cubit high compared with the range of human contemplation.

Yea thats not bad. I mean, theres no ways to communicate what you are feeling or experiencing whilst its happening. There are maybe hints at, maybe. I mean, I just refer to it like a "gyration" of some sort, like we go around one edge of the experience {trying to describe it} only to realize that by that time we are the other end of the spectrum, therein we've misrepresented the ~whole via the other end

humor me on this—theres the mystical side of things, and then, there is mother nature's side of things, like the physical earth, the foundation, the roots, the bone, that bottom level that no one wants to go down but that you have to go down. Its like, think bout how much DIRT, how much shit is around us—Wouldnt yous say, theres alot more dirt than there is for instance, life, right? point being its like, we are blinded by the dirt. We are drowning in it, and thats just whats on the outside. Then youve got the crust in our brains... but i digress... this is akin to the exploration of earth, ourselves and the spiritualness therein. like, to communicate anything about the mystical realm is one thing, and if you are thinking of the mystical realm in those sortve logical terms, ya its gonna be a confusing/uneventful experience tryina contend w/...but everyone can experience the mystical side of things, through said mystical directions. Like you qre very much just starting, so thats more like, you are just now trying. Like, the conclusion most come to isnt exactly that "it cant be understood", rather its that, "understanding it" is more the logical depiction of it, where as "experiencing it" is closer to what you would be going for—Again—when in the mystical

Theres another thing thats neither astral projection or lucid dreaming, which is just, imagining youve woken up, thereby dreaming that you are exiting the bed, leaving the room, et caetera, at which point that fake-awake state starts to vibrate / collapse, since its gonna increase in a feeling like it feels like its a dream, since the only difference between that and being awake is in the way you feel about it. Like, for all intents and purpose, we're all astral projecting/lucid dreaming now, and the only difference is that, since youve woken up last, youve told yourselves that its like a wakeful state, and the dream you came from was the dreaming state. Like the only thing separating states is the way you subsuquently feel about that state, in contrast to the last, and so memory exists temporarily between states, and had it been dream memory, the sequence of those conclusions on which state was a dream~and which was awake~would be different, granted its not that simple still, cause the dreams are also encountering their own habitual sequences each night based on that final sink of thoughts, before having flushed the toilet all the way down. Like the habitual sequence of random thoughts at night have the most impact — in the same way dreaming is impacting how you feel in the rest of waking day, but on a different level—one that is being disregarded like its part garbage dna or something, but its actually more fundamental in some sense, as it functions to contrast this very conclusive one. It always depends too on what you are trying to do, like to strive towards lucid dreaming or astral projection is like saying i want to be king of candyland, however it doesnt explain what candyland is, and who else is there and what it looks like, et caetera.

Everyones on the same page. Just drive forward. Words get in the way of adjoining to what is suppose to feel like "agreeing". As yous were.

Movement essential, the limbs of the spirit body, AND the angry mushroom In life we call things local, non-local, relative and absolute. Theres areas that exist in between, and one is called "movement essential", which is different from "i moved locally, from here to there", or "i moved relative to you, from here to there", rather its like, "my spirit body evolved, to shed away the limbs of the spirit body", which is considered an essential movement, like how a butterfly has evolved to become what it is, and so we think our memories function as a means for a human body, but they dont function quite like that, nor do they follow rules that can be contained, as you must also expect you will live and die in whatever hell youve reached mentally, and so, beyond what there is to imagine, and to ever imagine, theres also "base nature of the problems we are creating", cause its not as simple as saying we are all a frequency. We have to imagine how reality can work first, before we can say what it is, and that my friends is no simple and ordinary feet. That is more like, finding out the mushrooms werent there to be your friend typeve thing, like. Its more like, you gotta "ake up, and wake up fast", nono time to dillydallysilly

Theres psychosomatic factors, theres prior health reasons, theres environmental reasons, theres so many reasons that the karmic reasons almost arent important. The things in ur body now , like your historic karma since birth are important because those involve your deep roots, and the roots get tangled and/or they create faults in the tree, like conflicts with others, or lack of sun, or just like, say your an axe-felled green wood tree... you are then the property of some like lumberjack, and that itself is a dilemma, like are we even free in america, who knows, but it would be nice if we could live somewhere and build things such that everyone can play a part, otherwise we are like, working on things to no end, like without a clear direction or goal. Its hard to find a heading on a ship thats like, just sailing for the sake of, but i myself like sailing, doesnt matter where really. p.s. toxin free living would be a very small change in the grand scheme, as it plays into all the others, as they are all interrelated (or in other words, its all tangled, and the tangling itself doesnt end or begin at toxins)

Give a more specific example, as you might be on to something, but its difficult to see what we're working towards without knowing the down side of absolutes, like its more efficient to say "the problem was resolved", then "the problem had x amount of issues: a, b, c, d, and then we subsequently solved them...", like what i think you were trying to say, and correct me if im wrong... is that there are relative and absolute ways to communicate, and because we dont normally communicate in a way that highlights those (or rather, we dont raise awareness in communication), then we take for granted the power of that aspect—so it might be the method itself of communicating and unearthing those areas of absolute and relative that we want to magnify... or it could be the former and not the latter still.

ive done sleep deprav., but not fruit. though fruit has good stuff for like, the texture, like the acids are counteractions, but its in balance to those non-fruit things. Sleep deprav good for like, like you wanna trip, but you dont live in a society with people. Sleep itself is sortve, an anti-wake. like, its like a trip you couldve taken, but it doesnt really feel good wen you become a full time worldgenereator, like, sleep is like, the death your about to take, given enough fucked up things happen in the right order. i mean, just in general i try not to sleep, as a rule. i dont really care for fruit though. semen stuff, iuno wat thats about. Eat it or throw it out, doesnt matter.

Do the drugs that challenge you, like after youve tried psychedelics at a significant dose, your done with learning on that front. Drugs are there to challenge you, so after you should then continue on, really getting at whats like, "the heart of the brain", cause like, like how the body has a brain and organs, aorta/limbs and such, the brain has its own heart mechanism, and then limbs and veins/pathways that lead you to experience whatever it is, and you often hear bout like, how theres a large primitive part of the brain, like, that is part of it... you might call that the aorta, like the thing connecting away from the thing. Its also quite difficult to contend with at the primitive level, like psychedelics operate at the fantastical level (fantastically weird, or whatever descriptive lang., preferred), which is itself only complimented upon visiting the primitive, heart.

https://youtu.be/dPWYX1fliWs?si=NuTY1O1sOkPUMiij Im tryina turn yous onto some stuff like John Moriarty and Manchan Magan and people like this who're more bout the relationships between things, and not the simplest possible religious notions that you can try to hold onto at once — rather you are building your spirit up in a different way, so spirituality might not be the right term, though im just using it because the video uses it, and to me its indistinguishable from mysticism, and the soul and these things feel free to post here more of these sorts of things, it just has to be old irish/celtic/gaelic, germanic, or it has to be in reference to it, like how theres ancient chinese stories about the ninetailed fox (or whatever); but, it should be less Buddha or Confucius, more like folk or biblical-sized reads that are portraying a tale, or an earthy journey/tale

People dont just take anything, or experience anything and become like, reformed or watevs, they have to have gone through ups and downs and been shot at multiple times., they have to go through all sorts of trials and tribulations, and even then, there hasnt been an experience in there worth having, or thatll give you the necessary connection to figure out whats going on—regarding what we're tlkin bout in the grand scheme of things. You have to have made them connections in between. you could think of it like, how everyone is akin to a collection of voices that are fighting to speak—so if alls you ever did was manage things and live a normal life like most people do, a psychedelic exp., would be perceived as 'that time i did i randomly did a psychedelic'.. Like, the ability to psycho analyze wat happened, although present, isnt necessarily the strongest voice in his self-compendium, nor should it, as its not the pressing issue in his life. And hes obviously got a lot of like, anger or issues regarding these political relationships he thinks he needs to combat to maintain his identity, to uphold (possibly even deeper issues that go back to something else, WHO knows... who cares) and those things dont just surrender their voice out of the blue.... like that shit takes mad fuckn time, to've realized, for everyday people like this.

The order by which youd speak of either: observing/observed is critical, or else theres gaps in walking up and down the ladder and thus making it clear what you are trying to say, like for instance... from our perspectives, now, If all someone was talking about was "asking for the truth", therein would be no reason to keep refurbishing that sentiment, or untangling the same things over and over, for me, but perhaps others are committed to resolving it. BUT, if what your asking is to understand what the observer is (or what the thing doing the observing is) then thats more distinct, as im not quite sure what "observer observing" is, or means. Like to me "observer observing" doesnt mean anything, which is what im tryina rephrase what you are saying by first peeling back a long strand of possible positions/perspectives you could be speaking from... Singular -> God(s), a notion of (distinction between) -> the great expression -> things that we'd recognize as -> tryin' to find a, -> souls exp(thus far) and perhaps asking what the observer is, or what observing is... Observer observing could also be yourself asking about yourself... Are you asking bout the single-most point that alludes everyone, like "that which cant be known"? That is then why i say that these details come with clarification or background, as the order by which you are putting it forward would matter in this case, otherwise it could mean a couple athings

like maybe they are really good at speaking to pigeons, i dont care... iuno maybe they are like, idiot sevants at folding clothes or something. Maybe they collect hoodies (you cant find cool hoodies w/ the good material anymore btw, so id def like to find that person) *inb4: we now just name weird possibilities/activities of sevants

What about a place with idiot sevants, like ppl who are obsessively good at one, un thing, as im tryina find ppl like this, and if they also had taken psychedelics/ were into computers, painting, music or writing, that would be good too... Like i need like, an abscess/gall of sevants who also arent scared to really shine/stand out or be weird, like they are of age to not be scared to speak their mind right then and there, but also they are like, not tryina change the world through politics, like i need just straight artists