kavaris

One last thing ill add, because this is sortve like "the stand, the hold on" ~to something otherwise transient in nature, Theres the deep contrast of like "the change thats made when i perform X", so in another sense of the word, we can fulfill/carry out a sequence of our own making, or we can choose to \*hold on to something or pursue something. When we go through the motions of purely changing and moving for the sake of motion/change, it doesnt imply that we've taken a hold on anything or have understood anything, Likewise, taking hold of something doesnt necessarily imply that weve made any motion or movement. Like, the sequence behind our doing is not itself synonymous w/ changes in the way one might assume. And im not sure what got me thinking about this idea, but its something that sounded / felt like made sense, beyond the scope of what i cant address directly.

This looked like something when/after i scrolled over/thru it real fast, like it looked like animaniacs or something, like cartoon network chars., or whatever, all rolled up into one. or maybe that is wat it is, i dont know now.

Ive been liking "-copia" and "panspermia" as the new word, over solipsism, as "non-duality" is already pretty set in stone, and, if you needed another word just for more specificity, copia, pan, sperm, gaia/earth, thats like the macro scale vers., of whats like, a neo platonists view on the One, Nous, Consciousness... I mean, its all Being/Non duality, but the others are more of like a secondary thing.

(Cont.) So in that way, atleast in a sense, istemi & other words are like agreements, or declarations or constitutions that you have w/ others, like the constitutional, classic words (of your choosing) to represent non oltre, or non piu avanti, or like a "beyond this point, they wont come" "If they build it, they will (or will not) come" (Magical Latin speaking -in a nutshell). I dont know why i said this now, i just felt like it fit, lol

Alls i know is that, alot of us are gonna be up against the edge of creation and understanding; where we are now / it might be different in just a week or two of realizations. Creation from nothing is itself the paradox that keeps on giving. I dont know what it is, what it means to keep pulling out pieces from within. Thats why, when i heard 'creation from nothing, i was like, this'll be the hill we die on, cause it captures everything, as a "resetus" button. Like, the idea of *words* falls, or comes short of, at the walled-waterfall where we eventually want to invoke istemi anyway, seeing as we will, by definition, be separation, trying to point to unification. There can of course just be practical ideas and realizations within it, but it will, at some point, start to resemble separation, trying to point towards unification.

I guess you could (or u *can, im sure u can take it however u want too) just boiled down what i said to a *felt-space* in etymological sensing (feeling that is itself the truth, since its direct, but its also just relevant to you in telling the story ~from a place very much unlike anything that looks like a visual or storyish realm)

Another weird aspect to framing is how you feel, nd how it feels to frame ~And to try to build said *framing* or content inside its framing center ~ via imagination ~ or a felt-space thats being activated by the imagination visa vii ~ its poke and prod That is to describe how, you can have an active memory of an experience that defies a visual center, but it may exist or " be of", a sortve wire-frame-felt-personality / which itself has application * when its in the drawing center * cause the drawing is something that always happens. Like, our framebuffer has no on or off, that ppart is the *just is*, and the felt space is a modality that might even precede visual building. Unfortunately thats the best i can do in describing it, as ive not wrote any notes on it or anything yet.

Or in other words, when we imagine things, Some things we thought of as "no thing" straddle the world of conscious experiences, cause suddenly you can get say, a girlfriend / boyfriend, and what was once a non-existent relationship is suddenly very much in focus and real for you, and things like "text conversations" that had previously been yourself-texting-yourself, become Yourself—messaging a human being. And in that sense, the real and the unreal collide, And the world of imagination manifests into the world of the living. The imagination is like, part of a spectrum of self actualization points, like a matrix you can say / points that are to be incidental versions of the conscious mainline. Like, desire requires decisiveness in a sense. But its not so simple, so i started calling it that word — Fantasticheria — Somewhere between a belief and an imagined thing is "fantasticheria", "an actively pursued thing". Granted i realize we've only ever pointed to a "thing", imagining all of the points of actualization as distinctly as possible. And within that sentiment, these actualization points are either spread, or dense, or geometrically arranged, or more of like a "crosshatch" ~ in that they can be layered instead of being a simple 2d plane or pattern w/ easy recognition... Iuno, i had thought about this the other day, And i went overly-complex in the direction of thought surrounding. p.s. i just like thinking of things in ways that can both become represented in words, as well as *imagined* in a way that runs parallel to these things applicable in realife, like crosshatch patterns or like, algorithms you use to give the illusion of movement and motion, like a video game that ppl would play (i think they call it life, like ...)

Progress must be like... "un-tarnished, non- mistaken world, in a perfect, untarnished / unblemished, unreasonable ideal world", Progress to some ppl is prolly like "... first we do the perfect thing, then we do perfection over and over, so the perfect world can be perfect", Like... We have what we have now, and thats gonna have to be enough. Its progress, otherwise its like, beating ourselves up about something we dont even understand, like ... Describe progress... if this AINT it... like...

I just want to correct wat i said, so it doesnt seem like 'Oh what are you targeting us purposefully?... Like, its not that im actively destroying something specific, instead, everything i touch has seemingly been destroyed, by accident. So im just saying, literally everything ive ever touched or looked at or thought about has been destroyed, And thats just being honest, like... theres never Not been destruction happening, and i feel like, to ignore it is to be telling ourselves i lie that we think is truthful in its sentiment. Everything is fragile, for reasons beyond our comprehesion, or so ive experienced... The other day, when i woke up and took down a ceramic bowl (or u know, normal bowl material) from the kitchen cabinet, i went to put the bowl down on the counter, and i swear on my liiiifffe, That shyt broke like it was made of sand, like it melted in front of me ~ cause i placed it down real hard. That sht melted, like it didnt even break, it disintegrated into tiny sand, i dont even understand it really.

(Cont.) Like in the Greek world, "imagination" was seldom described, cause thoughts were attached to dreaming, not as a distinction we make like "This is me awake, and this is how it turns into a dream now", but instead, it was in some sense all a fantasy, so in that reconciliation they had to first make the distinction of what was real or fantasy, cause otherwise yous are talking at cross purposes, i.e., "Your thoughts are a fantasy", "No, your thoughts are the fantasy". So there first has to be a practical world to pull from, so you can even say which is not fantasy, and then there comes "consciousness", further veiled by the ideas that we think consciousness is... Nevertheless, direct experience-consciousness is not quite a fantasy that your imagining~In the sense that~Imagination and unconscious activity is in definition "not directly confronted". Theres a difference in "time" that youd have to realize first and foremost. And thats only the beginning.

Im still looking thru thread. With that said, have yous worked out the difference between just "conscious" state, versus unconscious/imagination? That is, forget about "is there a subconscious/unconscious", and pivot to "what even is conscious or not", because, yes, there is an imagination. But like, why is there an imagination that contrasts more direct conscious?... Like, what is the "more" that we are talking about?

Ill be honest, i forget what actobat, illustrator, and all those were... i know theres a design to it, tho the last time i used photoshop, it was called like Photoshop CS4 or something, like it was a "CS#" Line, that im not even sure if they call it that now, or whats going on.... Do yous kno?

Oh thats kinda interesting. i didnt know this... but nevertheless, its intriguing. Perhaps ill look into, as i get what you are looking towards now.

it might compete w/ actualized dot org, especially if im here... in the sense that, Artistry is quite powerful, and unless you do it quietly or without alot of ppl taking part in, then suddenly everyone is an artist. i can give u an example of wat i mean... When i played music w/ friends, and when my friend had friends who would come over to watch us playing instru., suddenly it had inspired everyone to be choosing some sortve instrument or artistic endeavor to inact, and not saying that every single person felt like it was their calling to do this, but a majority of ppl felt like, 'hey that looks fun i want to do that too... or they thought, "hey wait i want to do that as i like music!" And if you then make a band, now its sortve at odds w the fact that your audience now all wants to participate. That is, anyone whos ever liked a related thing is going to become an artist, once the freedom to do that is put out there... for that reason, i wouldnt make a section related to it, or if i did, id bury it somewhere where its not gonna have any attention.... or you could even make it like a temporary exp., like yous could have say "X forum section, that changes every 30 days", like "Experimental section... for art, ideas that dont belong, etc." but i think even that is suggestive towards this thing im calling like, "INSPIRATION on the unintended consequence sorta lvl". p.s. continued avidya state around imperial cult or just very much appreciating someone (or not appreciating) as a friend that you think of in the same light as thinking or saying to yourself \* messo a fuoco (in focus... like youd focus on anything...) That is one thing... but then treating friends like skirmishes, that has to be reconciled, otherwise its like "i like you, but im gonna keep you on a rotation-kebab so i have more friendship chances..." Thats sortve what it feels like if people were to appear and disappear to you, or if they were to change who they were, etc., iuno its hard to explain, but you sorta get what imean. Theres something taken for granted~around love + friendship, n most young ppl