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The next part of that question is about beliefs vs. similitude, cause, you'll have realized that... what you have is, lots of similar images / matching ideas, that which result in something like "Yes, it looks valid to me now, or it looks good enough, decidely so" (assuming - an indefinite time of in a state of wonder and questioning...) and so... the question is then, \*if similitude is in fact the thing linking / chaining together "things that appear to be validations", how is it that we can have two different things happening, where on the surface is ".... our unrevealed, or indistinct beliefs..." and things that exist internally to us, that appear as "distinct or matching beliefs", How do we do that, or whats the descriptive language vers. if you had to put it to words? p.s. i should get going now. think on it.

Whats the initial seed/image that causes [something/anything] to become populated in the mind?, like how much percent of something needs to be experienced... or what im asking is, does your brain add together "amounts of" for "proof", or does the validation occur elsewhere?

If nothin comes up, look for "what came after the water clock", like..m how did they go from that — to mechanically driven like... gears and cogs nd watknot

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see if water clocks ever had a mechanical part added, in its later forms, if you are into ancient stuff, like on wiki or one of these... As that could be interesting, hey, ya never know i guess, Ive gotten ideas out of crazier places. Ive gotta get rdy for this appt., so i cnt stick around too long to night/this mornin'.

Just to give a small taste test out, since its somethin i had in my notes, look how similar yet different all of these are, Greek has several interrelated to "knowing": **οἶδα**, to know... First theres, **οἶδα**, the act of seeing or experiencing~happened in the past (its normal meaning) (not gonna go into the grammatical differences, just the meaning) **ἐπίσταμαι**, to know [how to] or, to understand. More the practical/skilled knowing. **γιγνώσκω**, to come to know, recognize, perceive *(where we get gnosis, diagnosis, prognosis)* **μανθάνω**, to learn (knowing through something *learned of*) **δαῆναι**, the very root in ἀδαής, alas, this is *to learn/know,* related to **δαήμων** (skilled, knowing) and possibly **δαίμων** **σοφία** — wisdom, skilled knowledge. It gives us *philo.,* **sophii** (or a sophist, of skills) **φρονέω** — to think, have understanding. Related to **φρήν** (mind/diaphragm, as Greeks located thought near the chest region) Thats just the practical, three thousand year old basis for what we are tlkin bout w/ knowing nd weve not yet talked of How we interpret them words, and the resulting meaning, which adds a whole nother spin to this base level of like Dictionary form definitions.

Oh yeah, belief is so deep, that i have to surrender now to the fact that, it would take me a day, atleast, to explain *what it is*, for we often do take for granted just how different those pages can be, that we are living on, However that sense of things being different is itself tangled w/ the perspective we have, and the subsequent processes we are engaging in, etc.

Hey if yous gave me like a day (as i hav an appt. tomorrow thatll be for a few hours downtown) i will demonstrate how "belief", "understanding", and "knowing", although seemingly touching a very similar shade of the spectrum, that they can point in totally diff directions, not to mention, "knowing" is something that has several different versions (atleast three)

Oh right, right, right. you know what. my bad, my brain took a poop for a moment. i totally know what you are tlkin bout

Oh wow . Okay see... I doubt anyone is gonna share that idea. Ive really never heard those two things together, beliefs, creation. I myself will need to think on that one, but i digress, cause ultimately, if nothing else @Mellowmarsh's wheels are turnin at the water clock, and the little divets in the bowl are fillin up, fillin up now. Thats what matters, i feel p.s. iuno why i was thinkin there was a mechanical part to the ancient water clocks, or maybe it was in its later forms, if it had a mechanical apparatus.

For example, take "belief", is that something you "hold on to", temporarily, permanently? Does the temporal space of it even matter? Things like that... Maybe you dont see it as "holding on", at all. Maybe its more like, "a direction you face for a time" until you turn away, Consider that, a single word can create an incredibly far and deep topic, that yous then would otherwise have to settle on, if its getting too far from where yous are trying to go, in the dialectic... As the layers peel back, it becomes more comfortable ~ That is, getting use to this massive influx of words, concepts, and how they can be put together.

Sometimes you do literally have to explain what is otherwise obvious to you, to get anywhere, cause it may be literally the case yous have two different ideas for a word.

Everything in this thread. When i make songs on guitar, i have to do this alot. You have what is essentially like... ... A bunch of little pieces of songs jumbling / rattling around, And the answers that make a complete sentence / song, arent yet located nd put together ~ Granted its like kinda fun ~ in the discovery sense ~ to be all scattered ~but then its not really helpin to make things a complete thought. Thats sorta wat i was tlkin bout. Yous may or may not hav described enlightenment already, id have to look throughthis thread, i just got like 10 other things im doin simultaneously.

I should add rel quick before i go back to watchin, i dont remember if wat i said leads back to enlightenment at all, per this threads topic, as ive forgotten what it was, and i kno for certain it was somethin i never wrote down in notes. Its perhaps something very simple, but thats somethin i really dont remember right now. Yous mighta even already mentioned it in the course of talking, i dont know yet.... would have to go through everything.

Hey, i got a good one for ya to take your mind off this, im watchin the "Explicit vs Implicit" episode, cause i thought to myself... What did that mean again, i totally forget. However, it made me think of this term that im struggling to remember, related to like... that fire inside us ~sorta thing, iuno... its like ... Well id have to look through some of my writings, but i feel as though theres a word for like the fire of self, or im butchering it, but something.. somethin like that...