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Ive talked to dream people about artifical, generated dogs before, in Greek, ο σκύλος, ο σκελος, and talking to them bout these little dog snouts up high hills, And the quality of things, or whethers its mimesis, etc., is taken for granted, such that its like we are getting to the bottom of persons, people and places, and trying to validate atleast one thing, or an agreed upon distance of things like this,

okay heres a good solution, As i was looking for a good resolution, or way to really encapsulate something that is the telos~the end of the linearized direction, or atleast, the sharp turn of a single direction, And i think @ 25:00 - 30:00 this idea of just "opening ourselves up", or simply "being receptive" is both part of how you have the experience, as well as how you are to traverse *out from it ~ into areas where you can make better heads or tails [insert any scenario]. As theres really a new language thats being pointed towards, but we can still talk about the ways in which we engage w/ that space; some call it subconscious, some might call it, iuno, like an ego death sortve space i guess, but you are still "You", experiencing things. I mean you are living to learn, living to understand something thats gonna be confusing, For its already deceptively confusing anyway. Like, as you Enter the self-temple, it encapsulates the "revealing" and the "non-revealing", the options to atleast decide what is going to be revelation v. what is Aletheia, truth from the end of this reality and this experience where "truth" can function in multiple realms, in multiple contrasting ways. Note: They dont say all of that in the video, but it mentions 'being receptive! Lol

Before you fall asleep, up to the point of leading into it, try focusing on a single word. Pick any word, a name, a place, an object... Then go to sleep and imagine talking to a man or a woman, a normal human being. Then have them either come up withtheir own word based on that, or have yourself repeat the word back to them (engaging in like a *single word conversation). And just go deeper into that experiment. Eventually, so long as youve gotten it right (and it may take time) you should have a tough time distinguishing the original word. Like, its essense and separation should suddenly find itself dependent on a feeling you had assoc. w/, . and upon finding yourself in a dream context, is no longer recognizable. And again, its to the point where its like, you can be holding two words that are like "best options"... "two of the closest words in the spectrum", And neither will validate theirselves as matching that original felt word. Like it naturally slides away, and im not sure theres a destination there, but a realization bout the essence of a thing, and the confusion we live in, which is not to say that you are *suppose to be confused all the time either. Its just weird.

The Echo Chamber depends on a ball of connected thread, which depends on dreamlike underpinnings, where its simultaneously gonna fall apart / slide away. As im exploring some of these things, its occurred to me that "The Echo Chamber" is actually way way weirder... Like, in my dream, i was tryina figure out like, why is it i will hear a word, and then, that sound or word, even if i am echo'ing the same word back to myself, it will not be the correct word. In other words, theres no destination to discover there. Its jus that we are using Echo Chamber logic, But dreams depend on all of it sliding away, and reality depends on eventually sliding away, in the same way, ifnot within a dream. But reality doesnt have rules. Thats all. In other words, yous would have to really see what im talking about for yourselves, cause everything devolves into some sortve *feeling space, where the sounds you hear get wrapped up in the space of the "things you feel" in the course of very simple experiments, And its like, suddenly theres nothing concrete that you can hold in your mind. And of course, reality (waking space) depends on "being confused", to the point where you think its "a non-threaded, unchanging ball". Like thats not to say that, you have to fall into a neverending dream, cause that doesnt happen, but in the course of trying to decipher reality, its really hard to separate it from dreaming anyway, to the point where words and sounds (and other senses) are naturally tangled, and we are confused bout that. We think its based in an untangled space. Atleast after having a few of the right dreams, its made clear.

I dont actually know if thats in the title, or if its even the words mentioned (im not sure that was the main idea of the video, or if it was sortve like, more of the substrate of what was the title/main part) And the words themselves ~Like, i am calling it *exhaust all possibilities, but i dont think thats the way it was described. i could prolly find it quicker just going through it myself, as i will recognize it when i start getting closer to it -kindve thing. Like i wanna say its one of the ones that are recent, as in, maybe last 4 years, tho i said 5/6 now i started thinkin to myself "wasnt it sortve recent though?" maybe even within 3 years, tho i could be mixn things it could be that i watched it 3 years ago, but it was really 6 years ago that it was made typeve mixups. Or i watched it 4 years ago when it came out 4 years ago, i cnt remember. p.s. dont ask me why 3 years ago is "recent" but 6+ is a long time ago... iuno why thats how i am gauging things, but it is atm.

Whats the one w/ "Exausting all possibilities" in order to learn / to understand things, or to explore the areas that you want to know, et caetera... im butchering the exact terms he used, but thats the video i want to find and highlight... i dont remember which one it is though. i started watching in the era where we transfered to the stuff up my alley, but thatwas a long time ago, nd it could be any of those videos, but i assume its gotta be later on, within the last 5/6 years... maybe.. but i really dont know...

Scientists think we live in a world of rules, like that the universe has these "planets" that are formed in this way, and go by these rules, et caetera. They dont understand scale. Like, we exist as tiny humans on a living planet (thats possibly been in existence long before the age thats been suggested), And the rules of the planets of our solar system, like... that story could involve a bajillion scenarios that our brains couldnt comprehend. Forget about reality, we may be wrong the moment we take a breath. Like if we seen a giant-electric-octopus-?cloud (GEO?C) floating around in space, giving birth to younger space octopusi, who are then taking planets and rolling them around like boogies, putting them in sequence... Like that'd change some rules up... Like thatd make science a little irrelevant right ~if we then checked up on the octopus w/ our telescopes, and the young octopuses gave birth to even smaller octopuses, and then they started living on an earth-like planet that they rolled over towards our view... Meanwhile we are tryina figure out how they breathe in space. But then you see an even bigger octopus the size of the whole universe pull up, but it is bajillions of lightyears away, so alls we see through our telecope is a giant eye... Like thatd make things crazy, right... Now i would make this scenario even crazier, but yous get the point, right. The scale of things could actually be way more bonkers, And we are living in the dimension thats like, level 1, like these little ppl living on earth, cluelessly, assuming theres gotta be this fixed scale, this universe of planets. Like we are not seeing how ridiculous things could be, where all the rules suddenly dont fit the model. And perhaps, we may never be able to make it fit, throwing out the baby w/ the bathwater at that point, at that rubicon, You know what i mean p.s. hey maybe yous dont, but itll give yous a laugh... next time, i hope tosee "Giant Electric Octopus Cloud" in the title, or something analogous. I mean, just ridiculous ideas, like Rob Dyrdeks Aquatic Roller Coaster, Ya know, watever it means.

Ima cont., in this thread... though i dont know wat i had in here and if any of it jives or makes sense or fits together... Nevertheless im still looking for Greek music. This song / melody, that which im now calling "Zeus melody", because its so popular in Gr., Middle est, that its like... It appears that they love the chords/melody in this Zeus melody, And wat im calling it Zeus's anthem for now on, just so we have something to call it. Alas, im looking for stuff thats Greek, anything. They are said to have had some cool music, or in the very least there are Hymns composed on the lyre, of which im curious to find / hear anything alike... Also, any middle east sounding music, in general, id like to hear it. Post it. doesnt matter, post anything

Agreed. I actually was booted from several communities tryina bridge them, using these elaborately weaved depictions. As i was talkin to my friend ~from another community~ bout Spiritual, artistic stuff, Magical Temples, Goddesses and such, i had intended to turn him on to this like, NewAge, Inter-Dimensional Music, but i never got a chance... As i was tryina touch on like, something different that is also slightly different from music i usually find (like generic youtube music). This guys stuff was actually like a put together album(s), alot from late 70s/80s so thats like, five decades of work... crazy interesting, i feel. I just didnt get a chance to explore it w/ anyone Angelic Music, Timeless Sound & Essence of Lemuria seem pretty good, as im goin through Iaos or Iasos's discog. i feel like i wanna call him **Iaos**, like the name i came up w/ for Inter-Dimensional Jesus (Isious) so i dont get in any heated religious contentions And i feel like it plays into this topic as an Earthy thing that can be either intuited or understood naturally.

The Conscious Field and The Echo Chamber is one of the most intricate subject matters, so take yous guys's time. Theres so many patterns and reocurring motifs that it hits, and im not even sure if ill be able to encapsulate them all~from here on out. Its up to yous to really expand upon it, and make them necessary threaded-connections and understandings.

Oh yeah? lol (p.s. I took it as a compliment) p.s.s. @everybody im excited to hear some thoughts about it. Feel free to share what yous are thinking; Be honest. Im not judging anyones thoughts, unless its like, being rude or something.

One should exercise a degree of patience and read through this carefully when you have the time to do so, I'll explain why "Rest = Echo Chamber"; As we go. This is intricate. You need a good 30 minutes, to an hour to read this all. Get some popcorn. Introduction (skip to "illustration" to get right to the point, if you must) I want to give yous a strategy, a way to represent thoughts, feelings and emotions into a form that can be communicated; however, it should be known that this version is going to take on descriptive, and often, somewhat abstract and illusory dimensionality, And its up to the rest of yous to reframe it in a way that makes sense, that resonates or rests upon those relative places where yous are at currently. You may have heard this phrase before, wherein, in as much the same way we view, or physically look after a young child (like a baby or a little one) and all their subsequent qualities, the pent-up energy and excitement, libido and knack for getting into all sorts of trouble, it is the same way we have to look after our subconscious mind. Later on we start to find wisdom within, subtle intuitive guidance that stems from a journey through those bespoke ""inner dimensions. Let me preface w/ this term "The Conscious Field". Its important to know that this is coming from an abstract place, not a "place of awareness" around a physical body. I say this, since it was raised during an episode of Leo's And so, its one of those things you should always try to keep in mind, to start out w/, giving ppl a chance to understand it. Not many people are aware of the levels of abstract reality that are in constant flux underneath discernements of said reality. So we need a way to figure this out, how to bridge one dimension → to another dimension. I use this word alot, "istemi", and that is the placeholder word, the bridge between ourselves, Ousia (Being) and the metaphysical reality, the place that words cannot touch (that cannot touch words), that cannot represent or recreate, 'cause've its Eternal form. Ισιους and the Mystics of the Desert were just as much enthralled w/ the subconscious mind (felt-realms) and figuring out how to relate it back into words. Its a place that not many people go on a daily basis. The mind blocks that part of reality. Society blocks that part of reality. You may recognize, anytime you bring up the desert fathers or spirituality, anything around 'Higher realms of it, You are being blocked for some strange reason. Hey, i may even get blocked just by writing this. Illustration: So here's the point. We crave what we've regarded as the pinnacle (in our head), those passages, meta-biology of our mind, a physical mind, a metaphysical mind. We crave the Echo Chamber, the place where everyone can finally rest. Ive tried to reframe, to stay reserved, to hold back any pee and poo that may flood out (from out of my soul), upon this section; flooding it w/ my crazy, non-relatable ideas, not only as much as, 'cause've how i find myself in some of the more hairy'er areas that dont necessarily conform to the *felt-meditation through speech — by which we are actively, or temporarily piecing together ideas of "oneness" (or just "one", w/ emphasis), "consciousness", or "awakening", or "infinity" (interweaved w/ creation) But also, i am using these ideas as reoccurring motifs, repetitively, to indicate our higher place: "pinnacle" or "self" ~Which in turn is then restarting that *felt-meditation machine, towards the same place, over and over again (""Self as the Echo Chamber, or the Echo Chamber of the Self), irrespective to the liquid mercury running below our active steps, kinetic changes, seasons, the reimagining that would re~acquire the same perspectives and the same mindset (our position), over and over. Getting back to the point — Our Serotonin (Serotonin Center and other median points) They ARE the Echo Chamber. So is Salvia. Salvia is an Echo Chamber; Clarity / Awakening is an Echo Chamber. A Life Crisis is an Echo Chamber. Falling Asleep is an Echo Chamber. A Field of Radishes are the Echo Chamber. Hedgehogs and Bunny rabbits are the Echo Chamber. Waking up is the Echo Chamber. Why do we gravitate towards that echo chamber, that self-authorized, efficacious speech, painted by numbers, drawn for the illustrated purposes and visions, illustrating our experience [to the self and others] painted in colors of glitter, fibrous textiles and textures ~upon the quartz and other stone objects. Why do we crave the mirror realm, the forsaken place thats only ever been visited through periodic self-acknowledgement. The Echo Chamber is a feature, not a bug. The Conscious Field is such that, it requires periodic awakenings and felt/agreed upon meditations, meditative feelings that feel shared ~not with people, but with what you regard as "a crowd" or as a busy street (a busy mind). These things are conceptual. Empty and full is real and conceptual. Rough and smooth is real and conceptual. In this sense, and as readers continue in participating in whats become the 'exception to the rule, Yous are allowing the abstract to come forth as "Elements of the ocean~come to shore", And Leave aligned a~sea~shells, And barnacles upon your arch-door. Enter a room with which you can then fill up *sacred identities. The following is abstract. Its a riddle, a gift, an easy read if you take it piece by piece~which is also the idea on, The stories we tell ourselves, The stories we live on a daily basis; Speaking to the active thoughts and feelings, wherein we may shelter Our Pinnacle, Whether it be literal, symbolic or abstract, We must ask if it directly pertains to "that thing you are doing"; And if so, you may ask: "Does it serve that thing you are doing?" Think on that. To worship the self as the literal, elementary vers. of self, is to misunderstand the Ocean, the Forgotten Sea, And all the Sea turtles, barnacles and clam shells that made you up~up to that point. You are greater than the sum of the parts, as the cosmic self, the Echo Chamber. Because all that exists, and all you want is within an abstract Echo Chamber of Secrets, that which has been in the terrain since the beginning~as an unknown, unacknowledged paradox, the Direct Conscious Field within a satirical dilemma, As the "now" and "that which is to come" are tangled; That is, any moment of "now" has already passed, and the mind is always in a state of "anticipating and predicting whats to come". So We need to be careful w/ how we talk about "Us" and "The Self" and "The Conscious Field", or atleast, we have to tread lightly whilst we work towards it. In the center is a hollow depression, something we regard as chemical, serotonin (and other chemicals) but its more like a serapeum, physical in a brain-scan sense, physical like egypt's temples, and things like this, But it is also just as metaphysical and symbolic and spiritual as entering into a Dreamland. That transition is the kind of complex point or place that we are trying to point to when we talk about this stuff. That is profound and cannot be glanced over. We have to invent a word to temper that boundary, so thats why "istemi" exists. Life is abstract. These echo chambers are super complex, complicated like navigating internal pathways and external junctions. Its purely emotional and subjective and you have to experience it to know what you are talking about. Far too many people begin a conversation w/ me, describing a physical belief system, but it doesnt acknowledge the spiritual. Or i will encounter the opposite, where someone is explaining a spiritual realm, but its only phrased as "consciousness". That doesnt mean anything to me. And really, the only purpose here, the only reason that i bring up The Conscious Field and the Echo Chambers is to give yous a way to start to reframe your own internal temples and serapeums; A concrete place to rest on, so yous can atleast understand what is being described when i say "istemi" or "conscious field" or "echo chamber". These things are necessary features required in order to talk about everything else. What is the Echo Chamber? The Echo Chamber is both a literal sound device, an echo that one hears audibly, an echo that involves sound effects through the halls, and echo as in "lots of people relating to each other" (creating an echo chamber). It is all those things. You need the echo chamber to live. Your brain would shutdown without it. When you are just starting out, spiritually speaking, you dont understand how deep this all goes, so you dont know that its like, the standard place to rest. Rest doesnt mean "sleep", it means "echo chamber". What is the Conscious Field? (We'll describe it at another time) The Conscious Field is necessary, atleast working towards it, and in another post i might talk more about it, As its the "1st echo channel" in a more advanced spiritual path and discovery. Bottomline, its made of echo chambers. Even the beginner chambers are necessary, which was why i had considered not sharing this~beyond the prerequisite. Physical and metaphysical worlds are often separated, generally speaking (or just avoided through metaphysical speech), and the attempt to unify mystical and spiritual often gets the mainstream mixed up w/ what you are talking about. The Conscious Field cannot be illustrated, not easily atleast. It is very hard to describe what it means, what it represents. This is the attempt to solve that problem or to indicate its significance. The End.

Now surely this wont be taken as an insult, since the entire story was about me, and the last slither, was just to relate back to what we had spoken on. Which, i dont know how to express in the right way, that is, that it is irrelevant now since we failed that conversation, together. We failed as a team. We failed downhill together, how about that.

Humor me for a second. I wanna tell a story, but i want to start with a kindve initiatory question: "Because when people say "im confused" my first thought is actually "What would you have me say then...?" " But lets not get lost in that question, because its more of an *ice breaker, like a Gingerbread house for us all to meet at without getting worked up. Not meant to be taken seriously (DONT TAKE IT AS A SERIOUS QUESTION) Back in the day, i was working at this job (doesnt matter where) and i had had this co-worker, and sure, i had multiple co-worker/relationships like this, relationships where we had started to *bump heads*. And I kept telling him a story about how "theres this guy whos been bothering me... yada yada" .. you know... small talk. b.s. stuff... And so, my co-worker would listen to me ~ going on and on about my life, and, because him and i had a falling out, and because we werent exactly on good terms (its complicated/hard to explain) and because we were co workers, it just made things hard... and i chose him to start conversations with, expressing to him how.. how BAD it was going for me... trying to get past the b.s. from the day, during work, and in my life (i expressed it in a way that was... somewhat tolerable, cause the real version sucks!!!) And like i said, it was a sore area to talk about, and i couldve mentioned many, many subjects that were also on the sore side (there isnt anything NOT sore, put it that way, im just good at speaking to people in person... obviously thats not the case online since no one can understand me) But i was curious "what he wouldve done" instead, like "what were my options", cause whatever i kept doing was causing more and more trouble for myself ... so much so ~ that this individual, the individual causing me trouble had visited that co-worker in person, and thankfully the coworker was able to get rid of him... easily... not by force. Im not sure what he did, for his spirit just "shoo'd" him away somehow, possibly by accident, possibly luck, possibly skill, who knows... doesnt matter.. That situation helped me learn something. Granted, the major downfall happened after, but like... I mean, im referencing it now, so i learned something about a situation that i could reference. So bottomline, after all of that, telling him about how, there were issues in my life, especially certain persons, he would end up saying: "Are you talking about me (metaphorically)?" Like, in other words, he thought, because him and i werent on good terms, and because we didnt have the right rhythm together, that everything i was saying, everything i was talking to him about ~confiding in him~ was ABOUT HIM. Presumably about the falling out between him and i. I was like, are you fucking serious. And maybe he meant "is that how you feel about me" typeve thing (meaning, "i get what you been through, but is that ALSO how you feel whilst here?"). But if thats what he meant, he didnt say anything like that. Thats not the point anyway. The point is, i gave him this elaborate story, interweaving through things that are ~and continue to be~ hard to speak on, and it just flew over his head. Like he didnt understand anything i was telling him. Did he say "i dont understand anything you said", Well... Think about it, its totally different situation when offline compared to online. We were in person, offline. P.s. On the off chance he did say that, what he wouldve meant was "i can NOT relate to your experience" The point is, we were co workers, spending many hours together ~ which awarded us too much time to understand each other. And in the end, like days before i left that b.s. (not because of him!), he said "was that all analogy... Do you mean (me) and not (this life long antagonist)?" He probably thought i left that job because of him... like... He had NO FUCKING CLUE. Like wtf??? Thats what my life is. In the end, even the co worker is like, "i dont get it". > Well, what is there to get... its like, we are just talking... spitballing; like... nobody knows anything about me, therefore im expressing to you something about me. Do i have to outline the mechanics of this? Like how many details are to be splattered on the wall before its like, you are witnessing the witness whos been through some shit. And we are trying to mentally survive it now, together, otherwise itll be unbearable from here on out. Like, we started from this standpoint of "My dad use to take me to karate..." I am telling you what happens in real life, when you arent rolling downhill. Theres no insult there, its just what happened in our conversation today. Uphill from one person, Downhill from the other. Im not even commenting on it, besides the karate part, which is just word for word. the first few words. it didnt mean anything, which is the point though. we're changing the subject. I mean, starting over, "my dad DIDNT take me to karate", THere. But anyway, that is what im tryina express there. THats it. Feel free to share. Keep in mind, it may feel somewhat unbearable, cause for myself, there isnt any point where im not finding things unbearable. This is just stress level +4 on the "Already-Stressed-to-Death" level towards infinity case for me. I assume theres gonna be people like that too on here, at some point, people whove been through some shit, and to treat everyone with that benefit of the doubt at first (or im just double checking, cause i definitely dont want to insult people like myself, like older people i mean... if its a young soul, i mean... sometimes you cant help but correct them... it just happens... i mean...). I always preface with ".. gonna be a stressful situation" if its gonna be a stressful situation.