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Its like theres a string/thread that we tie our waiste to, and then when we launch out w/ said string/thread still attached, we forget that its only a string keeping us floating from the homebase. The moment we remove the tether, its all types of fkd. Like, \*throw your hands up in the air at that point, cause it may go everywhichway. Of course, i feel like theres alot of fear. Like... Iuno bout yous, but ive had one of those near-deathers. You know, the good ole, you die and then you travel around as a spirit, one of those. And Oh god, the fear you feel when encountering that white light, i mean. It doesnt signify a good thing. Its like "Nope", "i guess ill walk the other way".

Dont yous remember what happens on LsD/Mushroons? Maybe its just me, but all your beliefs are simultaneously and actively throttled and replaced, continuously. Like, you never have a grounding, and thats what makes everything just so damn out of reach, conversations, all of it. The whole shebang. Its all so congested, like this ball of utter confusion, and not being on psychedelics is what it is to forget, its like, we forget how utterly broken the mind is, or how broken it could be. Even my words are in fact a joke next to the exp. of what happens within the breaking. Like thats how it works. Everything is ever so slightly, annoyingly never gonna line up. Thats the sortve leeway we have to give each other, considering how we dont know like, what is going on.

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Like what i wanna ask now is, are yous just tryina be silly, or are yous talkin bout somethin real, cause if yous got somethin real to say, yous gotta say it quick, cause im not a person who sticks around for long. My appearance cannot be taken for granted.

Or if yous mean, its like a roadblock as far as the eye can see, as in "its either too dull nd boring, and/or its literally uncontestable — and in either way we should move one..." typeve thing. im fine w that as well.

Hey, im not sure how the thread started, but im interested. Like Im interested in Islam atleast. As i see how theres two sides to the story. Im also interested in what anyone else whos interested, what they see in it, or, what they feel is to be appreciated, as i can see theres some emotional thing goin on here.

@Schahin I should also tell yas why i like the middle east languages too, as im genuinely interested in it beyond just the surface level, but also , the deep dirty level of the language and writing: And thats cause i find myself very interested in the Old, Ancient Assyrian/Syriac/New Aramaic or whatever they call it -languages, and that whole branch, like... And its relationship to Egyptian language. As im real into writing systems, as yous might know by now.

Ooooh. Okay so yous are on to "Sufi-ism". Gotchya. I like the Sufi's, though admittedly, its been somewhat neglected in my studies, as ive looked at some many groups, Sufi's, Manichaeans, Chaldeans, Zoroastrians... and various other Islamic, gnostic and jewish and/or esoteric groups, and i seem to have let the Sufiism stuff fall through the cracks. Though now that youve brought it up i might give it another look.

Or maybe i should ask, do you take his interpretations to be a bit outlandish? Or, do they corroborate somewhat of the truth of islam and these things, as i dont know.. Like... Am i watching the wrong person to learn about Islam and what the perspectives are around it? I dont know i can say ive watched up to so far where hes explained the two different kinds of islam and stuff, so im atleast in on that whole story. If theres more to it, that which is told by someone else, its likely that i dont or havent heard of him or what ever this other perspective is, if such a thing exists, which im sure there is, but like, i have a limited window into these sorts of things. p.s. i also find him interesting, meaning Madhi or watever his real name is, as im interested in Egypt and learning bout like, whats goin on there, as ive talked to real ppl before from various regions of the middle east, persia, israel, algeria, libya, etc., but i forget if/when i talked to someone from egypt. nevertheless im intetested in hearing bout islam, and their relationship/history to egypt. p.s.s., ive had a couple friends from Israel, though they had like, traumatic exp., like they didnt tell me about it, but they had just told me they were involved in some of the wars over there or something, meaning in Israel or places around it or something. But like i said, they didnt want to elaborate on anything more than that, so i didnt really ask them anything about it. Like, as "men" we dont normally ask each other things that are like, super-close or super family related stuff, like we are more like "wanna see this cool thing" and rarely do we say "hey hows your family, hows your parents", like maybe people from other countries go through that whole shpeel, but i dont think we do this in America, as we are a land of Traditionless children. Or maybe thats just me, iuno.

Yousll have to tell me what yous think of him (or point me to the thread bout him if yous have already tlked bout him before) cause i feel like, hey, atleast he is goin for peace or he seems to have a goal towards it~Though thats why i ask what others think of him, as im not an expert or anything on Islam or this side of religion. I know history of course, but do i know bout like, religion as it would pertain to Islam and these freedom fighters? I dont believe so—Or Rather—Like, i have a very limited window into it, in other words. *p.s see my post before this one on madhi*

Do yous guys watch that guy, wats his name w/ the /M/ or rather he says that who he is, Madhi or something?... I dont kno his name, it comes up like hes a wild pokemon like "Madhi has appeared!" do yous kno who im talkin bout? i believe hes uber popular. i like his stuff, granted hes sortve like, \*One note, like i dont see alot of personality to him, which Americans would prolly be a little weirded out by, but hey, i think thats common for people in life. Like we dont know when weve fallin into our own, monotonous mindsets, nd personalities nd stuff. note: i looked up his info: Abdullah Hashem Aba al-Sadiq, featured on "The Mahdi Has Appeared YouTube channel", was born on July 27, 1983. As of February 2026, he is 42 years old. He is an Egyptian-American religious leader who founded the Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light.

Before things ended up too complicated and ridiculous, i was like tryina see how I was gonna explain what i was thinking in a more like, uniform manner, and also i was thinking - I believe Leo actually presented something like this idea, or he has touched on aspects of it already in several different ways, I believe; Or atleast im now recalling a memory of it. So now im tryina see like, what is it thats different here. I think its really just like, the part of your routine where you are sortve climbing on top of the ladder of possibilities, imagery, pictures, paintings, music, writings, concepts, ideas, thoughts, feelings, memories, moods and emotions, and like... Trying to figure out like, using my base example case: "What is Art... Or Is this ART ~ OR is THAT ART" -if its the case that you are choosing between two distinctions. Or... If /when its just one thing at a time, you are asking if something IS or ISNT something. The point is that, theres a degree to which the thing being painted (as a completed painting or not, doesnt matter), and the idea of like, "where its going, where it MIGHT go"~Has taken on a filament of yourself, simply by observing it and impressing upon it some idea of what it is already, and how it is to unfold before you. So before that happens, and before youve completed something, anything (And if presented the opportunity), you want to ask yourself about the environment around such a painting, and whats "leading to said picture-painting in the 1st place", BUT... You want to drill down on a question, and your ability to discern said questions, otherwise, you arent really participating. Like, to "participate in life" is to offer some sortve trade with reality. So you want to ask some more opinion-related questions to yourself, Like "What is Art" and if something IS or ISNT art". i shouldve made this more explicit as well, but its not like we are literally painting something. As this can, and should, apply to everything you do, like in everything you are imagining, i.e., thoughts, feelings and emotions~The imagery is just what you are seeing in your own experience. I wasnt sure if i made that clear in the original post. I did mention it was gonna be a very poor introduction. Though i think its explicit enough that you can understand it now? Maybe?... Theres also alot more to it, as i presented it as a very very distilled version of it.

They are not really seeing how, they are taking the stance "But i (the self) can just be like *This* and that counts towards *That*"... Wherein, the arguments are precisely about how "self" is precisely what "You want or think is right, right now!" and what you say is the "way" for "you" - the self in this vry—contained moment. Stepping outside to absorb into any ounce of reality, the rules and laws of Self become extremely nuanced and undefinable. And why? cause Self has to adapt, it has to suddenly discover What the rules are in a world with no ground, as dynamic as it is, and as everflowing as it is. This is also what we find just in "Self" at once, in the isolated, and separate identity, and where all of our new rules of the Self critical thinking stems out from. Of course, this would be sortve new to them, since their questions are like, coming from a place thats questioning and resistant to whats happening, whats absorbing... p.s. he keeps saying "violating consent" is evil, and (done). Like, what about "giving consent" and then it turning out that there was an issue with the consent. What about being lied to. WHat about like, literally, millions of things. Plus, when was the last time two people were like "I consent to this thing" in an explicit manner. Wtf? I could list you know, how many billions of things, and the notion of violating consent would Gods honestly, it would be like the millionth or billionth thing on that list.

In the same way people think of The \*Inner World as being an analogy that foreshadows the External / Physical World, the World of the Physical is both an analogy for~and an expression towards, "That which is inspired through the **Imagined -> Manifested** reality". That is to say, yous have one direction of flow, flowing from the imagined (internal) to the external world, but now yous just need to see how it flows in the opposite direction as well, the left side of world/reality, that is ( our physical form as being a conceptual space for the conceptual~mental world )

Oh thats actually a better way to phrase it then. That is, "We are \*occupied by the perception of limitations", ergo on one end, we are taking up the space via \* these other forms ∆ And so therefore... That which exist Now, as well as that which we are Moving / facing~is itself There But in a sense we just dont perceive it. The reason i was really tryina get back to the title is cause, i really want to encapsulate both ideas, it existing right now, and as something thats not yet evident, And i think somehow wording it in a way like that gets closer to a more perfect way to describe it. Or atleast, its close to the original premise, of which i think most ppl would agree on, who have had the exp., that it is that close to us, just not perceived as such -typeve thing. Thanks! ha

I should preface that, this question teeters on "the question itself", that is, nearby/towards (1) the distillation of truth, and ((2) the -istemi, though maybe a little less so since istemi points towards an *experience) and which is ultimately to get yas thinkin'... Granted its a bit of tautological, equivocation of sorts, in order to pull a thread and see what happens; As normally we dont speak as if the Unity~the one is, and continues to be, happening now literally. But supposing we did, and supposing we were to say then that *The unity happened but you just didnt perceive -What are your thoughts on that? Its not worth arguing over beyond the argomento on the subject from the standpoint of your own opinion, as we just dont speak openly from the perspective that, what we are is the inability itself ~to perceive that which we are. And hopefully yous see that im not asking facetiously, and am genuine, and curious myself; Otherwise i wouldnt ask... *p.s. if yous want to argue, i wont stop yous, though do realize threads are sometimes stopped if the arg. gets overly aggressive so keep that in mind. Nevertheless its another way at pointing at the same thing. So i thought i might ask yous what your interpretation of it is~Though i personally dont think this way~myself, in terms that mirror this literal mindset given the limitation of words and thoughts and such. Instead, i just frame it in my head, much like how everyone else does regularly, that is how we are rather moving towards something, by way of~or by virtue of being independent. From that independent place we move closer to something we dont fully understand, or that we understand but dont embody. or that we intend to embrace, or... Et caetera options? Yousll fill the rest out. This edges on the side of a philosophical conversation, as i feel its different than what (or what i assume) we are normally thinking of when we think of Unity. Unity as a form of existing now, is the unity that also defies now, because we arent actually "perceiving unity literally", therefore (what would we be talking about?) -is the question. But to those of us who understand that it airs on the side of, where communication fails to describe, i do still feel, or we may feel or find it interesting, so in as much as it can get us on the same page when it comes to the rare event where we may be tasked to describe "What a unity , or Thee unity is", like in some circumstances that happen here, where we are to engage and answer such a question.

Hopefully thats not too confusing, as i realize now, reading over it, theres two different *kinds of unity floating around in there, as theres an *a unity and *the unity.

Theres a romanticism to that to me, the notion of like \*First came the dinosaurs, then came Adam & Eve typeve thing. Or the premise of \*Adam's dream, before Eve exists, when he has a dream — he sees a vision of all of humanity that will come after him, the endless procession of people, generations and generations flowing out across time. And when he wakes, there is Eve. It also reminds me of "i carry your heart with me" -e.e. cummings, or The Song of Solomon's, "you and I against the ancient world" typeve things. *p.s. one of my fav quotes atm - "Philosophy and Poetry are regarded as two different but integrally related forms of Divinely-inspired τρέλα, tréla; μανία, manía" - Plato's expression of Socrates speaking in the Phaedrus

I always think bout how to bridge the language they are speaking from, to the one, solely good place leo is speaking from, but hey, theres nothin that would say there needs to be a communicative bridge between. It just presents so much potential, especially as its like, so many ppl are in fact coming from a different place where its like "Well i, me, find morality to be... this..." Without that psychedelic exp., the whole reasoning for where we're comin from, it seems unusual nd confusing to them, probably. Or they see it, and arent sure how to make that bridge in trying theirselves to connect those two~call em archetypes. p.s. its dam snowy outside. shite. its good

Avanzata vs. ritirata, thats maybe terms i shouldve used: that is, one energy rushes forward, one energy rushes back or *retreats (arabic or hindi sanskit lineage prolly has terms for that, like that seems like its up their alley). But, to really envelope oneself in it it starts w that initial avanzata, just goin all in, seein wat happens. Then theres a second part... After that. I dont know what its called, but def a second "Part 2" maybe lol X|"the continuation", "Everything that proceeds"

Like the first thing the mind wants to do is contend w everything right, so i can see how its like, they arent tryina enter into an unknown situation, like they are tryna play defense. Like i guess what it is, is a form of offense thqts required, that is, sortve like that thing in Assassins creed right: "Leap of faith", psychedelic trip is a leap of faith. Its one part in journey that could make all the diff~i mean, life is a leap of faith

Sell these folk some psychedelics.. lol.. like i hope this inspired them to go on a trip right after, i mean hey, they will likely be a very responsible pair. like i feel like i can imagine them right now, being very overly safe lol.

@Leo Gura @46:00 Im at the part where hes jus now pushin back on survival And thats one of the longest and hardest points to realize in the journey, cause i personally didnt understand it by looking at survival directly, like that was one that was sortve jostled loose by accident, though i can see how anyone going at survival head on is gonna be like, trying to get around it. Survival in it self sounds bad. But survival can just mean breathing, it could just be a base level of a good thing to have to have identity or to be starting, ending, starting, if not being like, contended w/. Like LsD was effectively, in the beginning it was like a "hard..." wall or something. A hard road block on what Not to do, or feelings around what wouldve been like, the rules and laws of a world w/ rules and laws. Or like, it was sortvr showing the flow of direction, and where the pool sortve wants to push if that makes sense (the serene river, though, where the prickly timber around it is at~or something like that)

Theres a good moment @ around 39:00 (im only half way thru) Yous are talkin bout something that lead to where she says "I have a feelin that ppl do realize these things but then they... ignore or forget/move on..", and thats what happens a lot. You take mushrooms, lsd, or go through some exp., and then you in a round about way, forget everything that wouldve been the impetus towards everything you could have learned, Nd are instead left at the beginning by virtue of having never investigated "what that was". Cause now, everything afterwards is being staggered (in the best case situations) between "hm, that was interesting, i wonder..." in contrast w/ "Let me concern myself w/ this next thing, and this next thing" or in other words, the routines involved in remembering, and the essential seerds of doubt and wonder~required to do this work are never let to blossom by any of the edges where said flowers blossoming may happen. So anyway,thats just to say then that that was a good part cause it shows ppl from the early beginning/onset like, look at the world—they who are getting a small, concentrated vers., of it, possibly, but are also too lost in a routine where said substances arent in the recipe. Like their recipe for \*cake is missing crucial ingredients for now~until forever, indefinitely.

Hey yous may or may not know, or maybe theres already a thread on this (delete this if there is) But leo did a thing on DemystifySci recently. it was approx 7 hours ago, And im jus now watching. And the funny thing is, yous were jus talkin bout havin Leo do somethin or somethin w someone, so hey, here yas go, ha. So anyway, im jus acknowledging that i saw it, or rather im watchin it now. Feel free to discuss it here, or jus tell me if anyone else watched it yet.