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Like i use to get something when i was very little/young, and my parents would like, bring me / leave me in a wooded/forest area w/ all the horses and shit~Wildlife and like, desolate forest, And in those cases my stomach would churn and i was put off from that whole idea of nature at that point. But this was like what alot of ppl felt as well, like when you are sortve THRUST against your will, or against the nature of your immune system ~not quite havin prepared ur self, then yeah ur butts prolly gona clench up at that point cause its like , "Ah, Whats going on". But as you get more like, accustomed to switching gears, your body wont feel as staggered and whatknot, going from this like "stay still" mode, to a more *hyper mode

I actually know what you are talking about XD, but its like, im not quite sure id call it an ass clenching, lol. But sure i guess thats sortve what it is in a way. Its more like, your immune system drops down~shifts into a new gear, but Hey, its not like any of us have the science/right terminology. I certainly dont.

Whadyas wanna end up in a Lord of the Flies predicament where its like, the children of Eden live out in the great fields of Elizia and watch everyone get swept to sea by the pebbles they tripped on, and then all the children are like "Yeah, we dont speak the language that would be necessary to help them or to even know if-wat they are saying means anything", whilst theyre like, in clear proximity to be saved? And then the cont., destruction of the poor shirt+pant wearing ppl, floating down the river, who cant be helped in any way, shape or form, is a misfortune upon the ways of tripping on things by accident, like. the continued ignorance for the sake of said cont., lord of the flies/scouts honor, like thats where things are headed, as you dont need English in the new world order. Everyones just floating around through the apocalypse that is Earth~And returning to some touchstone of Eden to emulate the routine that a thousand other Lord of the Flies children have par'-took in, like—We repeat the primordial events that you didnt think were real, until they happen and its like, in the endless misfortunes that are those very clear sequences of identical events, its like, Oh okay that was a real thing? Well shit.

How much Salvia divinorum 60x do we need, where you are leaning to the left, enclitic to the thing you are leaning on~Where it feels like you are falling over the same thing, combined with how many gallons of alcohol and having the spins to the right, where it feels like you are leaning and spinning from the right of it - do we need — til a little gnome of smurftown, or the worm from richard scarrys book, pops out from in between those left & right leaning curtains ~ in order to then be given the right magical, reading-rainbow interface for speaking towards one another.

Like what we need is DMT Laser code i guess. Cause i feel like we are reachin one of these perpetual walls~Where its like, apparently just saying things on a base reality terms nd agreement is good enough, right? So, how much DMT drip do we need, nd how many laser pointers do we need set up with masking tape? Like im tryina take things in such a ridiculous place that its like, yous hav no choice but to see base reality as the solutio to all of these like, extremeties typeve offerings, Like do i gotta call Elon musk so we can get an electronic interface between us and the thing we want to spreak through

First we need to learn about base level of reality, like communication and observation of base reality, before any lvl of "no thing" can be A) Explained, B) Practiced. Because you can try nd point to a *no thing* all day and its precision upon the exact sensation you are feeling isnt gonna be indicative of what it is to someone else.

@everyone/all Regarding evil, in America we have like a bad opiod nd other drug epidemic, where u hav ppl whove never have wanted to get hooked on drugs, nd the doctors or someone~turns them on to something like this, like say after theyve fallin on the job, or theyve hurt their back or something. Then you have like these young 30 or 40 year old dudes who are hooked on drugs cause they originally thought they were on some pain management, not realizing they were subscribing to be a full time drug addict, stuck in a loop of tryina resolve pain + whatever other mental / life dilemma theyre in, and thats how the drugs get ya, especially the life stuff and mental stuff. The pain is like, i mean is the worst, you wanna die, but like, "consenting to something you didnt understand" is real

Have i ever thought about that?.... I mean. Ive experienced it, like. Im confused, lol. Like, i literally explained exactly that experience of what it is.

As potentially the only person whos exp. this typve dying and coming back, quite literally, after stepping out and having to focus on said spirit, to speak on what happens after the point of losing the ability to go back to said body? In that case, i mean... Hey... I mean... Throw your hands in the air, cause its goin Everywhichway! Lololol

Its like theres a string/thread that we tie our waiste to, and then when we launch out w/ said string/thread still attached, we forget that its only a string keeping us floating from the homebase. The moment we remove the tether, its all types of fkd. Like, \*throw your hands up in the air at that point, cause it may go everywhichway. Of course, i feel like theres alot of fear. Like... Iuno bout yous, but ive had one of those near-deathers. You know, the good ole, you die and then you travel around as a spirit, one of those. And Oh god, the fear you feel when encountering that white light, i mean. It doesnt signify a good thing. Its like "Nope", "i guess ill walk the other way".

Dont yous remember what happens on LsD/Mushroons? Maybe its just me, but all your beliefs are simultaneously and actively throttled and replaced, continuously. Like, you never have a grounding, and thats what makes everything just so damn out of reach, conversations, all of it. The whole shebang. Its all so congested, like this ball of utter confusion, and not being on psychedelics is what it is to forget, its like, we forget how utterly broken the mind is, or how broken it could be. Even my words are in fact a joke next to the exp. of what happens within the breaking. Like thats how it works. Everything is ever so slightly, annoyingly never gonna line up. Thats the sortve leeway we have to give each other, considering how we dont know like, what is going on.

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Like what i wanna ask now is, are yous just tryina be silly, or are yous talkin bout somethin real, cause if yous got somethin real to say, yous gotta say it quick, cause im not a person who sticks around for long. My appearance cannot be taken for granted.

Or if yous mean, its like a roadblock as far as the eye can see, as in "its either too dull nd boring, and/or its literally uncontestable — and in either way we should move one..." typeve thing. im fine w that as well.

Hey, im not sure how the thread started, but im interested. Like Im interested in Islam atleast. As i see how theres two sides to the story. Im also interested in what anyone else whos interested, what they see in it, or, what they feel is to be appreciated, as i can see theres some emotional thing goin on here.

@Schahin I should also tell yas why i like the middle east languages too, as im genuinely interested in it beyond just the surface level, but also , the deep dirty level of the language and writing: And thats cause i find myself very interested in the Old, Ancient Assyrian/Syriac/New Aramaic or whatever they call it -languages, and that whole branch, like... And its relationship to Egyptian language. As im real into writing systems, as yous might know by now.

Ooooh. Okay so yous are on to "Sufi-ism". Gotchya. I like the Sufi's, though admittedly, its been somewhat neglected in my studies, as ive looked at some many groups, Sufi's, Manichaeans, Chaldeans, Zoroastrians... and various other Islamic, gnostic and jewish and/or esoteric groups, and i seem to have let the Sufiism stuff fall through the cracks. Though now that youve brought it up i might give it another look.

Or maybe i should ask, do you take his interpretations to be a bit outlandish? Or, do they corroborate somewhat of the truth of islam and these things, as i dont know.. Like... Am i watching the wrong person to learn about Islam and what the perspectives are around it? I dont know i can say ive watched up to so far where hes explained the two different kinds of islam and stuff, so im atleast in on that whole story. If theres more to it, that which is told by someone else, its likely that i dont or havent heard of him or what ever this other perspective is, if such a thing exists, which im sure there is, but like, i have a limited window into these sorts of things. p.s. i also find him interesting, meaning Madhi or watever his real name is, as im interested in Egypt and learning bout like, whats goin on there, as ive talked to real ppl before from various regions of the middle east, persia, israel, algeria, libya, etc., but i forget if/when i talked to someone from egypt. nevertheless im intetested in hearing bout islam, and their relationship/history to egypt. p.s.s., ive had a couple friends from Israel, though they had like, traumatic exp., like they didnt tell me about it, but they had just told me they were involved in some of the wars over there or something, meaning in Israel or places around it or something. But like i said, they didnt want to elaborate on anything more than that, so i didnt really ask them anything about it. Like, as "men" we dont normally ask each other things that are like, super-close or super family related stuff, like we are more like "wanna see this cool thing" and rarely do we say "hey hows your family, hows your parents", like maybe people from other countries go through that whole shpeel, but i dont think we do this in America, as we are a land of Traditionless children. Or maybe thats just me, iuno.

Yousll have to tell me what yous think of him (or point me to the thread bout him if yous have already tlked bout him before) cause i feel like, hey, atleast he is goin for peace or he seems to have a goal towards it~Though thats why i ask what others think of him, as im not an expert or anything on Islam or this side of religion. I know history of course, but do i know bout like, religion as it would pertain to Islam and these freedom fighters? I dont believe so—Or Rather—Like, i have a very limited window into it, in other words. *p.s see my post before this one on madhi*

Do yous guys watch that guy, wats his name w/ the /M/ or rather he says that who he is, Madhi or something?... I dont kno his name, it comes up like hes a wild pokemon like "Madhi has appeared!" do yous kno who im talkin bout? i believe hes uber popular. i like his stuff, granted hes sortve like, \*One note, like i dont see alot of personality to him, which Americans would prolly be a little weirded out by, but hey, i think thats common for people in life. Like we dont know when weve fallin into our own, monotonous mindsets, nd personalities nd stuff. note: i looked up his info: Abdullah Hashem Aba al-Sadiq, featured on "The Mahdi Has Appeared YouTube channel", was born on July 27, 1983. As of February 2026, he is 42 years old. He is an Egyptian-American religious leader who founded the Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light.

Before things ended up too complicated and ridiculous, i was like tryina see how I was gonna explain what i was thinking in a more like, uniform manner, and also i was thinking - I believe Leo actually presented something like this idea, or he has touched on aspects of it already in several different ways, I believe; Or atleast im now recalling a memory of it. So now im tryina see like, what is it thats different here. I think its really just like, the part of your routine where you are sortve climbing on top of the ladder of possibilities, imagery, pictures, paintings, music, writings, concepts, ideas, thoughts, feelings, memories, moods and emotions, and like... Trying to figure out like, using my base example case: "What is Art... Or Is this ART ~ OR is THAT ART" -if its the case that you are choosing between two distinctions. Or... If /when its just one thing at a time, you are asking if something IS or ISNT something. The point is that, theres a degree to which the thing being painted (as a completed painting or not, doesnt matter), and the idea of like, "where its going, where it MIGHT go"~Has taken on a filament of yourself, simply by observing it and impressing upon it some idea of what it is already, and how it is to unfold before you. So before that happens, and before youve completed something, anything (And if presented the opportunity), you want to ask yourself about the environment around such a painting, and whats "leading to said picture-painting in the 1st place", BUT... You want to drill down on a question, and your ability to discern said questions, otherwise, you arent really participating. Like, to "participate in life" is to offer some sortve trade with reality. So you want to ask some more opinion-related questions to yourself, Like "What is Art" and if something IS or ISNT art". i shouldve made this more explicit as well, but its not like we are literally painting something. As this can, and should, apply to everything you do, like in everything you are imagining, i.e., thoughts, feelings and emotions~The imagery is just what you are seeing in your own experience. I wasnt sure if i made that clear in the original post. I did mention it was gonna be a very poor introduction. Though i think its explicit enough that you can understand it now? Maybe?... Theres also alot more to it, as i presented it as a very very distilled version of it.

They are not really seeing how, they are taking the stance "But i (the self) can just be like *This* and that counts towards *That*"... Wherein, the arguments are precisely about how "self" is precisely what "You want or think is right, right now!" and what you say is the "way" for "you" - the self in this vry—contained moment. Stepping outside to absorb into any ounce of reality, the rules and laws of Self become extremely nuanced and undefinable. And why? cause Self has to adapt, it has to suddenly discover What the rules are in a world with no ground, as dynamic as it is, and as everflowing as it is. This is also what we find just in "Self" at once, in the isolated, and separate identity, and where all of our new rules of the Self critical thinking stems out from. Of course, this would be sortve new to them, since their questions are like, coming from a place thats questioning and resistant to whats happening, whats absorbing... p.s. he keeps saying "violating consent" is evil, and (done). Like, what about "giving consent" and then it turning out that there was an issue with the consent. What about being lied to. WHat about like, literally, millions of things. Plus, when was the last time two people were like "I consent to this thing" in an explicit manner. Wtf? I could list you know, how many billions of things, and the notion of violating consent would Gods honestly, it would be like the millionth or billionth thing on that list.

In the same way people think of The \*Inner World as being an analogy that foreshadows the External / Physical World, the World of the Physical is both an analogy for~and an expression towards, "That which is inspired through the **Imagined -> Manifested** reality". That is to say, yous have one direction of flow, flowing from the imagined (internal) to the external world, but now yous just need to see how it flows in the opposite direction as well, the left side of world/reality, that is ( our physical form as being a conceptual space for the conceptual~mental world )

Oh thats actually a better way to phrase it then. That is, "We are \*occupied by the perception of limitations", ergo on one end, we are taking up the space via \* these other forms ∆ And so therefore... That which exist Now, as well as that which we are Moving / facing~is itself There But in a sense we just dont perceive it. The reason i was really tryina get back to the title is cause, i really want to encapsulate both ideas, it existing right now, and as something thats not yet evident, And i think somehow wording it in a way like that gets closer to a more perfect way to describe it. Or atleast, its close to the original premise, of which i think most ppl would agree on, who have had the exp., that it is that close to us, just not perceived as such -typeve thing. Thanks! ha

I should preface that, this question teeters on "the question itself", that is, nearby/towards (1) the distillation of truth, and ((2) the -istemi, though maybe a little less so since istemi points towards an *experience) and which is ultimately to get yas thinkin'... Granted its a bit of tautological, equivocation of sorts, in order to pull a thread and see what happens; As normally we dont speak as if the Unity~the one is, and continues to be, happening now literally. But supposing we did, and supposing we were to say then that *The unity happened but you just didnt perceive -What are your thoughts on that? Its not worth arguing over beyond the argomento on the subject from the standpoint of your own opinion, as we just dont speak openly from the perspective that, what we are is the inability itself ~to perceive that which we are. And hopefully yous see that im not asking facetiously, and am genuine, and curious myself; Otherwise i wouldnt ask... *p.s. if yous want to argue, i wont stop yous, though do realize threads are sometimes stopped if the arg. gets overly aggressive so keep that in mind. Nevertheless its another way at pointing at the same thing. So i thought i might ask yous what your interpretation of it is~Though i personally dont think this way~myself, in terms that mirror this literal mindset given the limitation of words and thoughts and such. Instead, i just frame it in my head, much like how everyone else does regularly, that is how we are rather moving towards something, by way of~or by virtue of being independent. From that independent place we move closer to something we dont fully understand, or that we understand but dont embody. or that we intend to embrace, or... Et caetera options? Yousll fill the rest out. This edges on the side of a philosophical conversation, as i feel its different than what (or what i assume) we are normally thinking of when we think of Unity. Unity as a form of existing now, is the unity that also defies now, because we arent actually "perceiving unity literally", therefore (what would we be talking about?) -is the question. But to those of us who understand that it airs on the side of, where communication fails to describe, i do still feel, or we may feel or find it interesting, so in as much as it can get us on the same page when it comes to the rare event where we may be tasked to describe "What a unity , or Thee unity is", like in some circumstances that happen here, where we are to engage and answer such a question.