kavaris

You have no idea what you are saying, and thats a problem. Its a nice idea, that is - If you were hanging out w/ someone talking about such things, this would be an interesting idea to share. But clearly you are misaligned w/ everyone here, as we do not see the world as simply as you. Why 8?... Why not 4?... *(Dont answer this question, its meant to be rhetorical)* In fact, you can simplify everything you are saying to just be "Everything = language", and then explore what that even means, through things you can prove to others (or better yet is to prove it to yourself, for it will eventually lead to a place where only you can be the observer of), instead of it feeling like you are the only man in the room who understands it. Many people have come in here saying "Aha! I got it. Theres 8 things... No wait, theres 7 things... No wait, its encapsulated in one over arching..." I mean, when you take LsD you will see that theres quite alot of things that it could be, sometimes 4, sometimes 5, sometimes 6 or 7 or 8... i mean the list goes on as to what those types of things could be. The part that you may be able to get everyone to agree w/ is that "everything is language". But thats where things have to be investigated. And, not just claiming, making claims to these arbitrary things. You have to dig deep into "Ousia". Look up Ousia. Thats the most important part (Hint it means "You" or being, these things you are trying to touch on... Thats a clue. Why not appreciate it?)

@Cred Are you not seeing how many ppl are in disagreement w/ you? Thats a sign that ya gotta like, reevaluate dude.

@Cred Im not gonna link your words twice. It= very clearly will give people that idea that way you are conflating everything w/ "Autism is high Sequentiality of Spirit" - Like... THis is the exact stuff im talking about. You just dont agree, end it there, as you are asking me to reference or explain things i already explained at this point. Im not gonna ask you to re explain yourself, so please dont ask me. Okay.

@shenanigans if you feel satisfied w/ it, then theres nothin wrong w/ it; For you are speaking to such things that cannot~and will not eve be explained the same way twice, as they are the foundations of exp., and reality. So as long as you like it, and feel satisified w/ it, then theres nothing wrong w/ it.

I listen to alot of different prayers and such, as i think its a good idea to find some chants/prayers or things related to this (for said safe space/ritualistic place) though in regards to lookin through my own bookmarks to share one, it would be a long story~that is, to try and pull one out right now is a daunting task, for im going through some stuff/sht currently (long story). @_Archangel_ I like your icon as it looks like an illuminated letter, but combined w/ that sortve naval or Orphic imagery of the serpent kindve thing (im sure its something specific but i dont know what it is) p.s. im also thinkin of a word for like "safe space", meaning that, it wouldnt jus be for meditation, maybe 'hearth' or one of those things. Maybe something related to "Hestia"... Oh that reminds me, i should share a hymn to Hestia. As, since i cannot share a prayer/poem at this very moment right now, this should suffice for now, as many prayers & hymns come together as one like this, Holy queen of sacred rites, we shall hymn you, Hestia, who holds Olympus and the middle‑navel of the earth forever, who holds the Pythian laurel, dancing around the lofty temple of Phoebus, de- lighting in the oracular voices of the tripods, and when Apollo w/ his golden seven‑toned lyre praises the gods in hymns with you. Greetings, daughter of Kronos and Rhea, you who adorn the altars of the immortals; Hestia, grant in exchange great prosperity to us, that having it We may always dance around your bright throned altar.

"One is god" could imply God is one, so thats an immediate paradox of inquiry/quandary, or a self contradicting phrase to investigate/explore (though, in most monotheistic religions, that idea is what is said, or some semblance of, granted its an incomplete view of everything, hence the contradiction). It might even be said as such, to invoke a paradox. But generally speaking, its also the wrong direction, yes. You should start from "being" in that "all is one", from the perspective of being, itself. And then after you establish this, you can say "all is infinite", otherwise you are just making a statement on God, and thats no good. Its not even a fruitful argument to be making at that point, and you have to come up w something that doesnt frame it as a paradox. Alternatively, you could investigate the nature of the paradox, but i find, generally speaking, most people do not have that sortve~gifted and intellectual awareness or level of intuition, so they will end up taking them words at face value instead. So be careful w/ the questions you ask, and the words you use (generally speaking). Details matter. p.s. these are like steps, you know, first comes "being", then comes the experiences you generate or observe, then comes the God/Light, or the incomprehensible words and such that we use to talk about the perfect essence or nature of existence/being itself. You need some grounding first, or you do and will end up w everyone taking religion at face value. Theres nothing wrong w/ sayin "one is God" in an absolute sense, but if you frame things backwards by reinterpreting things at face value, both exp., & history, then yous are doomed to have to reunderstand it again.

Dyslexia is not an indication of having a high ability of anything, it just means youd have dyslexia. The same w ADD, Dyspraxia, Autism, extreme OCD, the same w/ Synesthesia et caetera. You CAN have a highly enriched center of wholeness and spirit w/ these things, but it requires patience and the ability to listen to others, and things like this that are indicative of observing reality. To exist is to exist within some semblance of a limited reality, and to learn about said reality requires the ability to observe the reality in the first place. It sounds like you are taking the notion of "-typys" like that of Schizotypy, and applying it to everything, calling everything a kind of - typy - - In the case of Autism, i know some people who are sevants, but they arent spiritually enriched, rather they are tortured inside. I know some who have Autism that dont have any ability at all, and they dont have any spiritual or otherwise type interests, as they have too many issues in their life. Seldom do any of the cases i have seen involving Autism have anything to do w/ being spiritual enriched or blessed, and more often they have felt tortured by some other tangental thing, whether it be in the "lack of" department, or just as an "sevant" whos obsessively good at something, but not anything else (that is, they have trouble in almost every other area, though this only describes like 65% of people ive met w/ autism, and not all people w/ autism) @Cred You are riffing on a lot of technical disorders and such in your metaphysical wanderings, but you are not making any sense. You are conflating illnesses w having an unexpectedly high ability in some other, non-related area(s). You need to slow down and think about what you are saying; Revisit some of these things about, e.g. "Dyslexic people tend towards X ability...". Take your time on these mind riffs you are engaging in - in order to not get it twisted. Those are disorders, not special abilities. In the modern era, many people are saying they have all of these things wrong w/ them, when they are very capable mentally, so you have to draw a line between those people who are just saying they have a disorder, but are very capable, and those that are defined by said disorders~who have extreme difficulties in life/trouble understanding things in life, et caetera. Otherwise, it feels like you are setting aside all of the mental and spiritual problems of those that DO suffer from these disorders, and saying like "Look at these people that are so HIGH in spirit". But for a large majority, that does not describe their life, and it feels like you are inauthentically representing/speaking on, e.g., Dyslexia. *p.s. you are also missing alot of information around psychology, so you are creating an incomplete view of what psychology is, let alone the confusing spiritual/metaphysical element you are interweaving in there too.

(part 2) Just to clear the air, theres two significant Greek writers who demonstrate or who wrote on the nature of potential (from a different perspective, more technical mind you). Aristotle calls it δύναμις (potentiality or potency) and ἐνέργεια (actuality/or just *being-at-work) where he argues that potential has a real mode of being, and its actualization is directed toward a \*telos. So thats a very intriguing direction to take things. Philo of Alexandria specifically is interesting too, for he inherits Aristotelian categories, but then he fuses them with Platonic and Jewish thoughts and/or reasoning. He uses dunamis (active energies that may also transcend in some senses), and the Logos, which then receives and articulates these energies into intelligible patterns — it is the mind that thinks God's thoughts in a form that can become a world. Matter then receives these patterns and becomes the structured cosmos. Philo inherits an underlying problem from this problem, which is how the God of Hebrew scripture acts in the world—As he creates, judges, shows mercy, speaks — but Platonic/Stoic philosophy demands that the highest principle be absolutely transcendent, immutable, beyond contact with matter. How do you reconcile a personal acting God with a philosophically pure One? His answer is the δυνάμεις — divine powers that are neither fully God nor separate from God (And this is also described in a simplistic way by commentators on many forms of religious scripture as well). The δυνάμεις are the real extensions of his nature that reach downward into creation without compromising his transcendence. The two primary ones he emphasizes are: ἡ ποιητική δύναμις — the creative/productive power (associated with the divine name Theos, ...) ἡ βασιλική δύναμις — the kingly/ruling power (associated with Kyrios, Lord as sovereign) So the sequence is something like: God (utterly transcendent, beyond being) ↓ via δυνάμεις Logos (divine mind / world of Forms / instrument) ↓ via the act of creation Intelligible World (archetypes, numbers, patterns) ↓ Sense-perceptible World (matter receiving form)

The following is an abstract introduction to "writing" (on the topic of potential) though it is just an example, a filament of wisdom you might say. Humour me here; As I start this as a kind of biological introduction, but to a larger idea (that youll have to discover for yourself, as it is just an abstract introduction) And I present it abstractly so that one may go on to think of things on their own terms, from their own point of view, by \*filling in the details, wherever and whatever (...) Lets take this word: trichome, that comes from Greek θρίξ (thríx) meaning "hair". A trichome is one of the small hair-like outgrowths on a plant's surface. When it comes to those most prominent hairs on a planting plant (i wont be describing the roots, but theyre an integral part), that is~the like of the fruiting cotton, flax (linen), dandelion and milkweed thistles; During immaturity/development, their cells divide and elongate into fine strands (hence the title). These strands dont just grow, they also twist (both in regards to those sub-domains, in the DnA leading up to, and the entire structure itself) … And in their twisting and dancing, those strand-like cells — as in cotton (Gossypium) — arise from the outermost layer of the seed. This layer, the epidermis, contains thousands of cells (the cells of said strands, aka ‘seed hairs’, though they are not seeds at all!). In regards to how it grows, as it is elongating, cellulose is deposited in thick layers along the inner wall. Later, the cell dies, dries, and collapses into that flattened, twisted ribbon shape (you could see if/when under a microscope/magnified / enlarged context). In dandelion, many cells go on to form fiber bundles, and each seed forms its own fine structures from floral tissues. The cells/fibers elongate while the stem grows, then thicken their walls w/ cellulose. And, in the case of the tufts (flower) each seed forms/develops its own unique tuft. And in the case of the individual hairs on the milkweed thistle plant, their strands do not act as support fibers like that of the flax, nor are they seed epidermal tubes like that on the cotton plant~As they are actually part of the fruiting structure, for those specific thistle weed fruits that it is to bear in the end. If you think of a human hair~which is usually around 60–100 µm in diameter, a cotton fiber is several times thinner than that: (In the thinnest case) growing at 12 µm diameter → its circumference would be ≈ 38 µm; In the thickest case, growing at 25 µm diameter → its circumference would be ≈ 78 µm And for it to grow at all, it requires both light and heat. Assuming the weather and all its nutrients are in balance, it should become a matured plant — cotton or otherwise. Water presses outward within each cell; light drives the making of structure; Warmth (contraction) keeps the functional & complex mechanisms of the plant animated; The bottomline being, in the twisting & dancing of everything, and in all of the commotion, the mechanism has to "move as one continuous pulse", a waltz of expansion and folding, expansion and folding, expansion and folding, over and over and over, and, it is precisely that twist, that is required in ALL of this - In order to get the most potential out of anything, a harmony of everything.

Let me "double up the information" here so to speak, via linking/quoting, that we its re bumped, and its not missed on ppl when they join. And i understand, you are looking for others exp., im jus making sure everyone is on the same page, more or less, though we can never really be sure bout it anyway (skip to the end for summary) That is to say, theres a more fundamental idea to that, which is "Anticipating something SUDDEN, before it happens". Now that might not sound related, but our bodies are primitive. So when you drop down into a "stillness mindset" or a "vacant parking lot" or a "desolate forest" those are all instances of~Having started/begun in a certain gear, but then having ended up *Shifting gears, where your mind and body are trying to acclimate to the environment or situation. You might even say that our butt (really our immune/nervous system) knows us better than ourselves.

This is interesting (And everything you said sounded sound and logical to me, granted im joining the conversation late) Alas, ive been following this thread, as i find it all very intriguing/insightful. And it is also interesting—When you mentioned Politicians and companies, it got me thinking (XD Yes im always thinking). We should start a Discord specifically for anyone who is into these sorts of things, whether it is Islamic, Jewish or anything else, but also split into Mysticism and these things, that way we can all band together. Of course, it would be better if we all who join, dont depend on a business or family that would require obeying the rules and laws that are pushed onto the public. I myself can confirm i am not tied to any such system, so i am a dangerous asset in this regard (or rather, there are *degrees of*). But i understand if others are too afraid to band together and try to make a difference, as it is threatening to these things like family and business—Alas, that is fine too, and not everyone would have to be on the same degree of freedom as everybody else. It would be open to anyone interested. p.s. im currently bouncing around some ideas for titles (feel free to bounce 'em back) like very simple stuff since i dont speak arabic, But i like the sound of this one — العربية والنور الإله and i think the persian equiv., فارسی و نور الهی and i had a vers., in Syriac Aramaic aka Sureth, but i dont like how the computerized font looks, or maybe i jus dont like the modernized vers., of the language. Like, the Old Phoenician style was more interesting, but whatevs, atleast Arabic and Persian have that sortve \*rough canvas look that i was looking for.

You know whats also crazy, or not crazy but like, if you think bout it, there really isnt like a strong presence of a forum for all things like truth, or being, or mysticism, or hermetic/sufi nd watever other teaching forum, as i guess it was hard to find a good keyword that everyone was gonna be able to find like, i just named so many things, so thats somethin to consider (ive looked through some alchemy discords nd i felt like anyone could easily try nd start their own to surpass the little ways theyve come) Like its just so broad of/encompassing of a~many ideas, that iuno. Its a totally missed opportunity. And i guess its like, its not as big as i thought, or ive never encountered it as like a popular thing. It feels like it would be though, right? iuno. Its strange, who knows.

I was lookin this up, and thats beautifully said, imo, as far as what ive felt nd experienced. I mean, i myself dont really~or havent really attempted to describe spirit (or actually i have "defined spirit", but ive never "placed it inside of a larger framework"), And seeing as they already got stuff like this, that which is very sound and logical, and i see nothing wrong with it: Ego-self - Lower level (w/, maybe even a slice of grounding, -apart of it, cause you need your ego to even begin in the first place dont ya) Qalb, centering (Hey, what else would we call it? Sounds fine) Ruh - spirit - And it says:" The spirit is from the command of my Lord, and you have been given only little knowledge about it." Hey that jives w/ me. Im sure they all sortve go along a similar idea, even if the terminology and ideas are slightly mixed around. But i like this, cause then you simultaneously leave room to define the "soul" as more of the synonym for what we talk about when we are pointing to consciousness, that is, the thing that doesnt dissolve, infinite/eternal, and can never die, or whatever it is (i wrote a thing about it, and im tryina remember how i phrased it, but its something like that). p.s. im writing a thing that begins in an Hermetic direction -So now knowing this about Sufi ism, i can start to feed in these types of things nd ideas, such that i (all of us really) can just work on making the language English derived, or whatever language yous want, i mean take it in a poetic direction~it doesnt matter, seeing as all of this stuff already is out there in a base form already. And then everyone is not only on the same page, everyone is feeding in these sorts of ideas that are building on a common center. Not that it wasnt already, but its def now i believe.

This got me thinkin today, and i got watchamakalit to make be this beautiful chart out of all the middle eastern belief groups nd such, zoroastra., manichaens, the chaldeans, the sufis... etc, etc, so that i could just see like the common nd similar threads, nd shades of... nd then i thought, maybe we use Sufism as more of an interlink between islam and just mystical side in general, as iuno if yas know, the islamic ppl/religion are taking over, one day at a time. But yas can use Sufism as that gobetween, i mean, in the most extreme cases. As Sufism is not only alot newer, its also got the most in common w islam, i feel, or so thats what this ai talking to me today had made it seem like. The others are too mystical. So Sufi is the perfect go-between, nd like, that could be the like, you know, your (our) way of talking to someone, or meeting someone to balance the tide, like... Say you are approached by someone of middle eastern decent, nd you only hav a moment to respond with what/who you are, nd what you are about. So you are like "Oh, blah, blah, blah, of nd you know, i been gettin into Sufi-ism..." And you know, not saying too much, otherwise youll scare ppl haha... Or maybe try that. Maybe its like you gotta be aggressive w it. Lol. No, dont be aggressive.

Speaking of, if you go outside, it went from like, being ass cold — to now where its like its a warm spring day out w all the snow meltin° (or atleast where im @Est), like thats another instance where its like this thing w/ the body/And gettin' use to it, or trying to - where your body says something like, "Ah, what is going on", to then having to acclimate to those sudden changes.

Like i use to get something when i was very little/young, and my parents would like, bring me / leave me in a wooded/forest area w/ all the horses and shit~Wildlife and like, desolate forest, And in those cases my stomach would churn and i was put off from that whole idea of nature at that point. But this was like what alot of ppl felt as well, like when you are sortve THRUST against your will, or against the nature of your immune system ~not quite havin prepared ur self, then yeah ur butts prolly gona clench up at that point cause its like , "Ah, Whats going on". But as you get more like, accustomed to switching gears, your body wont feel as staggered and whatknot, going from this like "stay still" mode, to a more *hyper mode

I actually know what you are talking about XD, but its like, im not quite sure id call it an ass clenching, lol. But sure i guess thats sortve what it is in a way. Its more like, your immune system drops down~shifts into a new gear, but Hey, its not like any of us have the science/right terminology. I certainly dont.

Whadyas wanna end up in a Lord of the Flies predicament where its like, the children of Eden live out in the great fields of Elizia and watch everyone get swept to sea by the pebbles they tripped on, and then all the children are like "Yeah, we dont speak the language that would be necessary to help them or to even know if-wat they are saying means anything", whilst theyre like, in clear proximity to be saved? And then the cont., destruction of the poor shirt+pant wearing ppl, floating down the river, who cant be helped in any way, shape or form, is a misfortune upon the ways of tripping on things by accident, like. the continued ignorance for the sake of said cont., lord of the flies/scouts honor, like thats where things are headed, as you dont need English in the new world order. Everyones just floating around through the apocalypse that is Earth~And returning to some touchstone of Eden to emulate the routine that a thousand other Lord of the Flies children have par'-took in, like—We repeat the primordial events that you didnt think were real, until they happen and its like, in the endless misfortunes that are those very clear sequences of identical events, its like, Oh okay that was a real thing? Well shit.

How much Salvia divinorum 60x do we need, where you are leaning to the left, enclitic to the thing you are leaning on~Where it feels like you are falling over the same thing, combined with how many gallons of alcohol and having the spins to the right, where it feels like you are leaning and spinning from the right of it - do we need — til a little gnome of smurftown, or the worm from richard scarrys book, pops out from in between those left & right leaning curtains ~ in order to then be given the right magical, reading-rainbow interface for speaking towards one another.

Like what we need is DMT Laser code i guess. Cause i feel like we are reachin one of these perpetual walls~Where its like, apparently just saying things on a base reality terms nd agreement is good enough, right? So, how much DMT drip do we need, nd how many laser pointers do we need set up with masking tape? Like im tryina take things in such a ridiculous place that its like, yous hav no choice but to see base reality as the solutio to all of these like, extremeties typeve offerings, Like do i gotta call Elon musk so we can get an electronic interface between us and the thing we want to spreak through

First we need to learn about base level of reality, like communication and observation of base reality, before any lvl of "no thing" can be A) Explained, B) Practiced. Because you can try nd point to a *no thing* all day and its precision upon the exact sensation you are feeling isnt gonna be indicative of what it is to someone else.

@everyone/all Regarding evil, in America we have like a bad opiod nd other drug epidemic, where u hav ppl whove never have wanted to get hooked on drugs, nd the doctors or someone~turns them on to something like this, like say after theyve fallin on the job, or theyve hurt their back or something. Then you have like these young 30 or 40 year old dudes who are hooked on drugs cause they originally thought they were on some pain management, not realizing they were subscribing to be a full time drug addict, stuck in a loop of tryina resolve pain + whatever other mental / life dilemma theyre in, and thats how the drugs get ya, especially the life stuff and mental stuff. The pain is like, i mean is the worst, you wanna die, but like, "consenting to something you didnt understand" is real

Have i ever thought about that?.... I mean. Ive experienced it, like. Im confused, lol. Like, i literally explained exactly that experience of what it is.

As potentially the only person whos exp. this typve dying and coming back, quite literally, after stepping out and having to focus on said spirit, to speak on what happens after the point of losing the ability to go back to said body? In that case, i mean... Hey... I mean... Throw your hands in the air, cause its goin Everywhichway! Lololol

Its like theres a string/thread that we tie our waiste to, and then when we launch out w/ said string/thread still attached, we forget that its only a string keeping us floating from the homebase. The moment we remove the tether, its all types of fkd. Like, \*throw your hands up in the air at that point, cause it may go everywhichway. Of course, i feel like theres alot of fear. Like... Iuno bout yous, but ive had one of those near-deathers. You know, the good ole, you die and then you travel around as a spirit, one of those. And Oh god, the fear you feel when encountering that white light, i mean. It doesnt signify a good thing. Its like "Nope", "i guess ill walk the other way".