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@Razard86 when one awakens, they start to see everyone as themselves. And that’s mirroring done on a large scale. Because if I identify with my ego self, then only the people who behave in the confines of what my ego accepts as similar to itself will seem friendly and attractive. But if I identify with nothing, which is also everything, then I find everything equally friendly and attractive.

@Rishabh RNot knowing is to shut your mind off and get to higher states of consciousness. (Not just this of course). You must learn to use your mind as well. Shutting it off is cool. But also learn to use it effectively. For instance, you can contemplate what is Truth and what is responsibility. If you have developed your mind’s ability you will be able to get a deep understanding of what these terms denote, and in doing so you will be able to incorporate those concepts in your life fully. Start with not knowing, but try to get the best understanding through contemplating. The understanding should Not be anything 100% conclusive. Always being open to more insight on the particular concept being contemplated. And this answers your initial question as well. Understanding these two concepts well (Through contemplation) is a good place to start to apply them in your life.

@Rishabh R well, there you have it.

@Rishabh R Sit down and contemplate on what stupid behaviours you have been doing. And then choose at least one of them and commit to stop doing it. This will challenge your honesty and integrity while adding more responsibility.

@Javfly33 I overcame this same issue simply by facing more people, looking them in the eye, and a lot of introspection. I was bullied in my earlier years a lot. So I started seeing others as hostile, something to be careful around. So, it was difficult for me to look people in the eye and I had intense anxiety with people around (especially if new). But then I started pushing myself and challenged my fears by saying that no matter what happens it’ll be Love. And now I am miles ahead. Still haunts me sometimes though, deep trauma leaves some marks.

@Snader what is the most challenging aspect of that embodiment process?

@DianaFr consider this: Nobody can hold the truth. Some people have better facts than others. But what matters is the level of self-deception and some people are obviously and deeply self-deceived. They have not trained their mind. And dealing with those people is half of life’s challenge. Because you can unconsciously give them the power to take you down. And btw, spiritual bypassing is a normie move.

@Arthogaan Yeah, that actually works great. Unless the other person is closed and perceives any advice as a slight. And that’s where non-attachment comes to place, helping us move on.

@Breakingthewall 💯

I am always with me, but I still miss Myself. It's more like I miss not being myself anymore. The me that I become when I am not Myself yearns for the Me that I am when I am not myself anymore. I long for the bliss of being Myself but this self that I am stops me from not being myself anymore. My tongue has tasted the forbidden fruit. The fruit that led me to Myself when I was not myself anymore. The gold shimmers and the birds sing beautiful songs.The merchant sells, and the addict buys Is it them, or is it Me? I truly can't seem to tell me from Myself any more. I quit all the drugs so I could experience more of Myself. Only to discover the strongest of drugs: A state where there is no me, myself, or I anymore.

@itsadistraction That’s decent. @Arthogaan I understand. This way of behaving is slightly tricky for me because unconditional acceptance may lead to the perpetuation of certain behaviors on the partner's end that are practically unhealthy or damaging to all the parties involved.

@Razard86 Hahah 100%

@itsadistraction What did spirituality change for you in the way you perceive and relate to others? @ArthogaanWhat if it's a partner? In that case, you have to move on to someone more aware. What are your thoughts?

@BlueOak Thanks, that helps a lot. If you have other points drop them below.

@StarStruck Of course, they are dominated by Shias. It’s odd of you to point this out.

@StarStruck “Sufism started as an imitation of the Prophet's (PBUH) simplicity and spiritual life in a time where the Umayyad caliphs lived lavishly. The origins of Sufism have certainly been extensively debated but that Persia was the cradle of traditional Sufism is beyond any doubt.“

That's relateable

@Dez I'll check it out

There is Truth and then there is deviation from Truth. There is no up and down (with regard to a hierarchy). This is just a half baked insight. Add to it anything that comes up.

@Breakingthewall That would be the other end of the stick. The brutal, heart-wrenching majority of people. And yeah, the alternative is bleak. Titillation and stimulation. But perhaps this is an essential step towards higher consciousness and we get to experience it. It's fascinating.

@PurpleTree I have those on my list as well, the ones in Turkey, too. Let me know if you actually visit. We can cross paths someday, perhaps watch the patterns on psychedelics

@PurpleTree Well, these can also be used to expand your Love and sense of self. It's not the tool, but how you use it.

Nope, not so many. But yeah, a minority of them. It's obvious, most people don’t seek Truth. It’s something rare in itself, and when we limit the demographic to Muslims or Sufi Muslims, then the Truth seekers get less and less. The interest in Truth is not generated by Sufism, you have to have that drive yourself.

God created all the religions, right? Perhaps, as tools to get enlightened. Consciousness manifests in a form that enables other forms to awaken, like psychedelics. But not everyone knows how to use these tools and ends up shooting themselves in the foot. Similar to how some people commited suicide from watching the same videos (Leo’s) that helped others stay alive and transcend.

@Breakingthewall Most (not all) Muslims, especially in the West and Middle East (Saudia, Egypt, Jordan, etc) are Wahhabists type. But there is a prevailing population of open-minded Muslims in the east. Because as I mentioned earlier, society (especially the West) is at the peak stage of orange and materialism, inching towards stage green. Wahabism corresponds with that, the outward material objectives and the rigidity. So, as a consequence, many Muslims fall into this trap and stay stuck there. But on the other hand, those who have been warned against Wahhabism from the get-go (me for instance) have very open minds. But many of these types also fall into the traps of materialism unless they get serious about finding God and that is where the practices and rules come into play. To avoid all the bullshit.