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All they do is talk about God. God this, God that. I would think that they would be the most ripe for the non dual understanding compared to atheists. The one man they worship knew he was God aka Jesus. There already is a role model that’s half man half divine. They don’t think that their belief in a transcendent God is asinine but yet they think it’s asinine to consider that they are God. How do you communicate to these people the nondual understanding without making them feel like they’re going against the Bible?

First off, I’ve got nothing against owning a business. I worked on one myself as a realtor at one point. What I have a problem with is when business owners think they’re the hustlers and don’t have to depend on anyone “unlike those 9-5 slaving plebes.” Reality has showed/taught me something else. Everyone is hustling to some extent, everyone is an employee to some extent. As a realtor I was taking calls on vacation with family, while bragging about how I make my own schedule-it was a sad reality. I used to be one of those running to every opportunity that meant making money with my eyes closed such as pyramid MLM schemes, etc. In truth, the more you make, the more you spend. You can still live commission check to commission check as a realtor. You can still just barely get by with a business when your margins are only just a bit higher than your expenses. When the pandemic hit, both businesses and employees took a hit. You read all these success/motivation books and it’s all just about how to cope at the end of the day. I just think it’s silly for entrepreneurs to think they’re a cut above an employee. I had all these friends looking down on those working 9-5 while they themselves had no health insurance. You’re posting an overly inflated version of your success on social media without ever posting the dark side of it all. These people are putting up a facade, they’re no different than someone working at Wal-Mart thinking they’re not expendable.

I hear many republicans throwing that back as a response to Trump’s election fraud claims. Republicans in 2020 claimed election fraud, democrats claimed election fraud in 2016. I wasn’t as deep into politics back then so can someone explain?

“I looked at a Republican state that voted democrat and noticed there were OnLy TwO bLuE dOtS. ThEn iT hIt mE!” He wants a state EC to elect senators much in the same way that the president is elected. Fundamentalism has atrophied his brain. He essentially wants the 17th repealed. Here is the manure coming out of this man’s mouth:

There’s a famous Winston Churchill quote that goes, “If you’re not a liberal in your 20s, you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at 40, you have no brain.” So apparently I’m growing dumber with age according to that quote. But anyways, conventional wisdom holds that as one gets older, they become more conservative. However, this is the opposite for me. I welcome change, and trying to oppose change in the name of “stability” is all an illusion. The only stability IS change, just like the saying goes “The only constant is change.” I tell that to every person who talks bad about change and it makes them grimace because they know it’s true somewhere deep down. Why do people become more liberal with age as opposed to more conservative though? Conservatives will argue saying that they don’t oppose change, it’s just that not all change is good. And by that same token, I too can say that not all conservative values are good either. At one point arranged marriages were much more prevalent, women weren’t allowed to get an education, etc. Just because it’s old, doesn’t mean it’s good either.

Her gay nephew spoke up saying she needs to learn to coexist. I’ve got some very conservative family members who claim that their party values facts over feelings, so I showed them this video. Looks like there’s a lot of GOP infighting due to this same sex marriage bill. I truly don’t see how GOP will ever succeed politically with much of its antiquated ideologies given that we are going into 2023 here.

Oeaohoo, everything else aside…what brings you to this forum and actualized overall as a conservative? I’m not trying to be snarky with that question at all, I am actually curious. What about Actualized is attractive to you?

That’s sad in general, one can have some very good points that ultimately ends up with them getting cancelled by not saying it in a more palatable way. I mean even people in that debate were admitting that Mr. Girl was making some really good points and was doing well in the debate until that last part lol

Conservatives would say the same about Trump, that he talks as honestly as possible and isn’t “politically correct”. If Mr. Girl was to say the exact same thing but while running for office somewhere, don’t you think it’s still bad optics? For having a prominent voice/being influential, isn’t language like that the last thing he would need? I don’t think honesty is an excuse for such jokes as well as hate speech. There’s also something called diplomacy.

Lol that thumbnail killed me, even Destiny has his hand on his head. I’m gonna watch it, this should be interesting .

He could have also got his point across differently, it’s inexcusable in my opinion and I think Vaush did the right thing by ending the debate.

Why defend Mr. Girl’s CP jokes and hypotheticals? If you read the comments on that debate, most people were admitting Mr. Girl was making some valid points up until he said what he said. Imagine a politician making those same kinds of jokes and hypotheticals.

I was only paraphrasing what Vaush said about the debate. Despite what Mr. Girl’s intentions were, I don’t think CP is worth giving hypotheticals and joking about by the way nor do I think it’s right defending such bad humor and hypotheticals. Bad optics in my opinion.

With society progressing and becoming more liberal, I see nothing but the clock ticking for these religions especially since its fundamentalists don’t tolerate certain groups of people and are trying to infiltrate politics by breaking down the separation of church and state. Christianity for example is growing more and more incompatible with modern society that multiple studies are signaling its decline. All it takes is for the state to tax the churches and it’s over. Running for president these days while saying that homosexuality is a sin for example, is political suicide. Isn’t it all just a matter of time?

In the debate with Vaush, I remember Vaush stopped the debate immediately after Mr. Girl made a remark about panties and a little girl to the point that Vaush started calling him a pedophile.

Right, and I guess could be said about orange+ not being able to survive in a blue- world. Let’s say Jesus was actually real. His teachings got him killed because he was preaching unity and inclusiveness.

If religions especially the Abrahamic ones are to be accepted among others by modern secular society, they have to realize that they will no longer be the superior or correct one. Something’s gotta give.

So in a nutshell, you’re only for the ruler vs. ruled model if you are part of the ruling class…that’s the real problem. And any ruling class is going to be seen as tyrannical by some folks in society. Many republicans already view Biden as a tyrant whilst at the same time contradicting themselves that Biden is not really in charge and that someone else…the “deep state” is pulling the strings. “Biden is a tyrant!” ”Biden isn’t the one in charge.” Tell me what about life at the top is harder? Not paying your yacht bill on time? Not being able to decide between black caviar and white truffle? You said, “Let’s us not underestimate the privileges of the mediocre.” That sounds like victim blaming to me. Why is victim blaming in fashion for conservatives? Could it not be that they are projecting? What happened to personal responsibility and picking themselves up by their bootstraps? You hate the socialist rabble yet conservatives claim they back the blue and other first responders. They also support social security and Medicare. Is that not socialist? Trump called for 2k stimulus checks as opposed to only $600. Is that not socialist?

There’s many non-Jewish people in top media roles but for some reason some right wingers as well as Kanye love showing charts of media outlet logos with the person in charge of it as being Jewish in particular. Watch from 2:15 on, Kanye talking to paparazzi regarding Jews and the media where he pulls out his phone with an excel spreadsheet: To make matters worse, he’s got many people thinking he’s courageous or something and that he’s doing something good by having so many people wanting to silence him. They will quote George Orwell saying, “To find out who rules over you, find out who you cannot criticize.” These people are batshit crazy. There’s a difference between not being allowed to criticize a tyrant vs. a minority. I’m not saying minorities are infallible but it depends on -how- one criticizes them. Most of the time it’s done in bad faith and I know that somewhere deep down most people know this. What is up with treating persecuted groups of people as if they’re the same as Nazis nowadays?

How does one believe in the absence of God? Well, I suppose if you’re referring to positive atheism which claims that there is no God. Even to that I would still ask for evidence that there is no god. But by original definition, even an agnostic is atheistic because they lack the belief in a God. Every mystic is a true atheist by definition. Just ask OSHO or Tolle if they believe in an Abrahamic god.

And another thing. You consider liberals to be at the top, in charge, in power…and conservatives as beneath…the ruled. Let’s say you weren’t joking…so then what’s the problem? There’s your ruler vs. ruled hierarchical paradigm in the making. You’ve got your priestly liberal elites, and the conservative masses being herded. The rulers…and the ruled….

You know one thing I never hear from conservatives regarding hierarchy is, “If I end up in a position of power, that’s fine. And if I don’t end up in one, that’s still fine.”

All this talk of ruler vs. ruled is stimulating for the conservative mind, I get it. I have one question for you, however. In this hierarchical model of yours of ruler vs. ruled….are you prepared for the possibility of ending up as the ruled with a boot on your neck? Because most of the time when conservatives talk about this dynamic of ruler vs. ruled, what they really mean is “I” want to be the ruler. And all I’m saying is…don’t be surprised if you end up on the side you weren’t hoping for. After all, the ruler class is reserved for only a select few. Because when that happens, then I can say that the system is working perfectly as intended. Conservatives fawn over a strongman, until it’s someone they detest.

I mean history has shown us time and time again what happens when a group of people or person has authority over others. This is why we have a democracy. You can be a fat Jamaican dictator with full authority, but when it comes to the track..you know Usain Bolt is gonna smoke your ass. No one is trying to take your differences or individuality away, it’s the superiority/inferiority comparison dynamic which has to go. In fact I’d say that relativism promotes individuality because when you’re free to be creative, your true gift and what makes you, you can shine through. But comparing yourself with others on a scale of superiority/inferiority only holds your true self back. You are not an individual so long as you perceive yourself to either be the ruler or the ruled.

“Why not have something within society pointing to that constant such as a priestly class?” Let me ask you, how do you think any elite group of people became elite? Wasn’t it with the help of the plebes? How can you contrast an elite class without a group of plebes?