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This is actually a very fair point. But does this work for the majority of men who struggle with dating?

I've watched Leo's video called "A Rant Against The Pickup Community" several times, and there are still a lot of things I don't understand about why Leo is quite angry in that episode. He talked a lot about pick up guys manipulating women and all that. Could you guys please clarify what this means more specifically? Could you provide details, examples, etc.? I thought all attraction is about survival and therefore there's a shit ton of manipulation from both sides: men and women. Yes, this video is from 2016, but the episode from last year about Andrew Tate was quite similar as well.

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@Princess Arabia He's def not qualified because he's the one that's giving grades. Complete nonsense. He isn't going to tell you about time management principles, productivity principles, how long you should study, how long you should take breaks, what you should eat, etc. These are crucial factors when it comes to succeeding as a college student. The professor's advice is not aligned with the reality of being a college student. This has been proven by several top-notch students.

@Princess Arabia Put it this way: If you want to become a great student in college, are you going to ask a professor for advice or a straight-A student who's got the practical experience and is going to give you practical techniques? The former option would be highly inefficient, and that is exactly what you are promoting here.

@Princess ArabiaDidn't you see what I and others wrote? Read again: "never ask a woman what she desires in a man or what attracts her... It's akin to a wolf asking a rabbit for hunting advice. While the rabbit may offer some answers, their effectiveness is highly doubtful."

Exactly.

@Princess Arabia I don't think you quite appreciate what it's like to be a guy, especially in his 20s and 30s, who's unable to get girls. Just think about Leo. His idea of personal development, and ultimately the creation of actualized.org, stems from learning game, a.k.a doing thousands of approaches. Neither you nor I would be here without his involvement in the dating world. Also, the amount of growth a man experiences from approaching thousands of women and realizing he can attract 8s, 9s, and even 10s is equivalent to the value gained from several thousand approaches. And for you guys who ask women for dating advice: one principle in dating is never to directly ask a woman what she desires in a man or what attracts her. As Leo has previously pointed out, it's akin to a wolf asking a rabbit for hunting advice. While the rabbit may offer some answers, their effectiveness is highly doubtful.

@mr_engineer If one's dating strategy is cold approach, it does require thousands of approaches to get good at it. This is the case for most men. If one's strategy is mastering social circle, the principles and methods will be quite different. Social circle actually produces better results if your aim is to get high-quality women. But if you want to really understand female attraction on a practical level, cold approach would be the right strategy.

@Leo Gura But Leo, in your previous posts, you've mentioned many times that "5s, 6s, and 7s are straightforward. But if she's an 8, 9, or 10, you gotta provide serious value." Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with this, but why are you saying the opposite now? If a man wants a girl who is at least an 8, how should he analyze the situation then? You are a man with very high standards. How do you analyze it?

@TheEnigma Actually, yes, women are attracted to the same things. If a man possesses attractive qualities, such as masculine energy, dominance, humor, edginess, status, and a variety of options with women, he will have no problem dating. If a woman is average or below average, then yes, she may very likely settle for less. But the fact is clear: a woman wants a high-value guy. That's it. And the definition of a high-value guy is a guy who possesses the previously mentioned qualities. Also, attraction is at the heart of survival and therefore has little to no connection with culture, geography or any other related areas. Or even with the level of consciousness. Even the most conscious woman on the planet wants a man who is above her and leads her.

We're not talking about how you want to be treated. This is an entirely different subject. We're talking about attraction, and the fact of the matter is that women do fall for assholes because of all the attractive qualities they possess. Again, nothing new here.

@meta_male Female attraction is very clear, it has been field-testen be many men. So men have figured it out. All women from all cultures are basically attracted to same things. Never let women fool you by saying, "No, I am different. I'm not attracted to things that other women are attracted to." This is complete nonsense. Assholes posses several qualities, that are extremely attractive to women. These qualities are assertiveness, dominance, cockiness, indiffernce, edginess, status and, most importnantly, having lots of options with other woman. When a man possesses all the mentioned qualities, it often results in him becoming an asshole, and frequently, women end up being abused, manipulated, and cheated on. This is because a man with lots of options wouldn't want to give up all his sexual abundance for one girl, unless the woman is outstandingly high quality. To summarize, there's nothing new here. Leo has been talking about this since 2014!

@meta_male It's def not brianwashing. The term "nice guy", in the context of dating, refers to a guy who tries to get a girl to like him by doing nice things for her, supplicating to her, and usually have little to no sexual experience. "Asshole", on the other hand, is the polar opposite. The asshole usually has enormous sexual experience and got lots of options with women and therefore they are very attractive to women. This @Princess Arabia girl calls me Red pill when I say this . And when I ask her to watch Leo's episodes on the subject and previous posts for the clarification she's like "Why are we mentioning Leo here. He's not a relationship expert nor an expert on attraction". Or worse, she denied the fact that the idea of women getting attracted to assholes has been mentioned by Leo several times, probably a hundred times, and when I show her the evidence she's like " I'm NOT interested in a post from 2021 please, I'm not even going to read that as it doesn't pertain to the video and definitely doesn't pertain to Leo's comment in this thread". And the worst: ". I don't need to connect any dots". This is the height of idiocy. To be honest, I thought this forum had some standards, but this woman is clear evidence that the standards have dropped immensely. And of course, we all have our dark sides, but that's not the point.

@meta_male Yes, this is the only point that deserved attention in the whole video.