Lila9

Many ‘spiritual’ people are full of shit. And many spiritual gurus are usually narcissists who seek attention and narcissistic supply to boost their false self image. The self identification as ‘spiritual’ is a trap. And aloneness is much more important than we were taught to believe. It cures. And it liberates.

Why you even bother asking me questions if my opinions don’t matter? This is such a waste of time.

I have watched this and this is very tragic. Do you believe IDF systematically targeting civilians?

Those are minority groups. They are extremists and they usually harm the property of Palestinians but they have also killed some. Those cases are not very common but they happen. Most Israelis against it. The government and the IDF do act to stop them, but probably not enough.

Israeli terrorism of those minority groups needs to be stopped. They are not representing me as an Israeli and I definitely don’t support their delusions. They have no right committing hurtful actions against innocent Palestinians, not to their bodies and not their property. This is one thing if a Palestinian carried a weapon and tried to attack and you attack back to protect yourself and your surroundings but it’s another thing when you do such thing on purpose for someone who didn’t intended to hurt you. Targeting innocents is evil, no matter who you are.

👏 Yes!

I don’t know. Peaceful protest with combats from various terror groups, including Hamas, with demolition charges and Molotov cocktails, ruining the fence. Looks not very peaceful. There may have been genuinely peaceful protests, I don’t know, but this one in particular doesn’t seem like one. There is a place to criticize IDF for overuse of bullets, but I have a gut feeling that the same would have been happened to them by being too close to the Egyptian or the Jordanian fence for doing the same.

I don’t know, this is dependent on the government and its policies. Of course the Israeli leadership should change as well and to restrict more settlements expansion. Most Israelis don’t support the settlements expansion but also don’t care enough to stop them, because of other issues which are currently more urgent to resolve. Palestinians should rebel against their leaders and continue with a non violent resistance. Or at least, if targeting someone, to avoid targeting innocents.

Same. And try to replace the leadership. The leadership in the WB is corrupted. If you believe they care about Palestinians then I don’t know what else to say.

They demand basic human rights from whom? Yes, our leaders could have been lying. And their leaders told them all the truth? Difficult to believe. Source? Okey.

Yes but they are also not saints either. There are thousands attempts every year, coming from the WB to murder Israelis by terror attacks. There is a reason for all the checkpoints and the hyper vigilance from the Israeli side. We need two for this strange tango.

What are their demands?

Stop killing innocents. It is always a good start.

Their terror attacks proved to be futile for their mission. The more terror attacks they do the more defensive and violent Israel would become. So maybe this is the time to change a strategy. If you don’t live up to the standards you expect from others, then don’t be surprised if they do the same.

Supporting leadership that doesn’t believe in jihad and the martyrdom of children to begin with, no radical delusional religious fantasies, something that doesn’t celebrate death or store billions in Qatar and Turkish bank accounts while its people are poor. A leadership that actually protects me as a Palestinian and doesn’t hide in the schools of my children or in my home, using us as human shields. A leadership which allows criticism and doesn’t murder everyone who thinks slightly differently. Yeah, that would be a good start.

No matter what they are asking for, there is a way to ask. Without murdering innocents.

This is my point.

Source: ChatGPT. The claim that there was complete peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East before the establishment of the State of Israel is an oversimplification. Relations among these religious groups have varied significantly across different times and places in the region’s history. Historical Context 1. Periods of Relative Harmony: • During the Islamic Golden Age (8th–13th centuries), Jews and Christians lived as “People of the Book” under Islamic rule and were generally afforded a protected status (dhimmi) in exchange for paying a special tax (jizya). While they were second-class citizens, they often experienced periods of coexistence and contributed significantly to the cultural, scientific, and economic life of Islamic empires. • In Ottoman Palestine, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together with relatively little conflict, especially compared to Europe at the same time. However, tensions existed due to social, economic, and political disparities. 2. Periods of Tension and Conflict: • Religious differences occasionally led to violence, discrimination, and oppression. For example: • In medieval Islamic empires, outbreaks of persecution or forced conversions occurred during certain periods, depending on the ruler. • The Crusades (11th–13th centuries) brought significant violence between Christians and Muslims, and Jews also suffered during these campaigns. • Blood libel accusations against Jews and communal violence occurred sporadically in the Middle East, mirroring similar patterns in Europe. 3. 19th and Early 20th Century: • Under Ottoman rule in the 19th century, Jewish migration to Palestine increased, especially with the rise of European Zionism. This began to change the demographics and land ownership patterns, leading to growing tensions between Jews and Arabs (Muslims and Christians). • The collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the British Mandate (1917–1948) exacerbated tensions, as both Arab and Jewish nationalist movements clashed over land and self-determination. Zionism and the Establishment of Israel The rise of Zionism and the subsequent establishment of Israel in 1948 created significant changes in the region. Many Arab leaders and populations opposed the Zionist project, viewing it as a European colonial endeavor. The displacement of Palestinians during and after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War (the Nakba) deepened animosities. Summary While there were periods of coexistence and relative peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East, these relations were not without tension and inequality. The notion of uninterrupted harmony before the rise of Zionism oversimplifies a complex history. However, it is true that the creation of Israel and the resulting conflicts significantly intensified divisions between these communities in the modern era.

Do you live according to the same standards you expect from others? I don’t know or familiar with many people or groups who live according to their standards in practice. whether they are Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists etc. Nobody is saint. Just because the purple person killed 2 people while the yellow one killed 3, don’t remove the fact that both are killers.

@gambler I understand, thank you. I see, an alternative to Hamas may be very unlikely because of our government. But maybe something will change with Trump. I don’t know. They talk a lot about post-war Gaza without Hamas. Ben Gvir has thrown a temper tantrum and quit because of the hostages deal and will be replaced, probably with someone similar to him.

Hopefully they will restore it. And hopefully it would be quick if they will receive lots of aid. And hopefully Hamas will be replaced with more conscious leadership which will allow them to heal.

Your pain is understandable, and your complaints are valid. But if you justify Muslim Arabs attacking innocents like children, men and women who didn’t directly cause them pain because they were poorly treated by the Western elites, then you should also justify Jews creating the Zionist movement and building a Jewish state at the expense of native Arabs because of the persecution and Holocaust they endured. You expect Jews to be better and wiser and not grab land like lunatics because they have been mistreated for decades, but you don’t expect the same from Arabs, as if they are incapable of reasoning beyond their rage. You justify their dysfunctionality, and by doing so, you actually perpetuate the stereotype of Arabs being primitive and savages beyond any help. Yes, white supremacy sucks, and Islamophobia sucks, but this classism isn’t unique to Westerners and wasn’t invented by them. This is very much a part of human nature: to be classist and racist and an oppressor. You can see this everywhere in the world, including the Middle East. There are groups of Arabs who see themselves as superior to other groups of Arabs for reasons such as X, Y, Z. I had a pen pal from Saudi Arabia, a guy with mixed Arab and African heritage, and he described to me the treatment he receives because of his skin color. It doesn’t help that he is fluent in Arabic culture and is a Muslim, and was born in Saudi Arabia, he will forever be seen as inferior to white Arabs. He has fewer opportunities in life living there, and he actually planned to leave the country. I don’t know what his life like today but there are millions like him in the Middle East, who have no voice. There are millions of men women and children and animals suffering in the Middle East. Not because they are inherently evil but because of human nature and corruption of the locals alone. The situation in Israel is similar, but it was more clear when the Jewish state was formed. The European Jews, who were persecuted by the Europeans in the diaspora, were the new elites who looked down on the Middle Eastern Jews. It has been dramatically improved, and now the ME Jews’ culture is more in the mainstream. But while the ME Jews gained more power and opportunities, it didn’t save them from looking down on the newer Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union and Ethiopia. We may be able to remove the Western influence from the ME, but it doesn’t mean there will be peace, nor that there ever was much peace and harmony there. We can’t make the ME great again because it never was great. The history of the Middle East is full of wars, conflicts, oppression, slavery, and corruption since the dawn of time. If you read either the Bible, the New Testament, or the Quran, you would find that there were constant tensions there. Endless tensions, brutal conflicts, and belief system clashes. The most significant one was the formation of monotheism, which fought polytheism through severe demonization and brutality. The polytheists’ sacred altars were either destroyed or stolen by the monotheists. We can see this clearly in Judaism and Islam. The holiest place for Jews is not the Western Wall but the Foundation Stone. The Western Wall is part of the Jewish Temple, which protected the Foundation Stone. But before the formation of Judaism and the creation of the First Temple, this stone was worshipped by the Canaanites, who were pagans and polytheists. It was taken by the new Canaanite monotheistic religion and attributed to them. Those polytheists were forced to either join to the new formed monotheistic religion or to risk being enslaved or exiled or even killed. The same is true for the Black Stone in Mecca. Which is the holiest place for Muslims. It was an altar for the polytheists. It was an altar for the Divine Feminine and sacred sexuality, but it was taken by the new Muslim monotheistic religion and attributed to them. Not in friendly manners either. We can only imagine how much suffering and generational trauma this alone caused. And how the new former monotheist religions created delusional stories and narratives justifying this.

Another paradox to bear in mind. Only God will understand.

Yes, but also because or even mainly because secularism irritated them: seeing women dressed more provocatively, men and women dating without getting married, the bars, pubs, and clubs, and the younger generation drinking, which is forbidden in Islam.

The rise of the Islamist movements was more of a response to Arab nationalism, secularity, and modernity, which they saw as failures, than a response to external Western forces. They wanted to bring Arabs closer to Islam because they believed this was what Arab society truly needed. Later, they became radicalized, but they didn’t start out radical. They were radicalized because of Western influence, with the cooperation of leaders in the MD. Saudi Arabia leadership, for example, cooperated with the U.S. because it aligned with their own interests. Bin Laden saw this as a betrayal and a sign of corruption. He felt saddened and threatened because this Western influence represented the demise of his ideology and his vision of what the Middle East should look like.