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Of course they would act the same and even worse than Israel. It's easier to have high moral standards as long as they don't have Hamas trying to kill them everyday. Everyone is so nice and so good as long as they don't live with crazy terrorists.
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Hey, are you overreacting here? There is a difference between being a racist and between preferring not living with a certain culture. It doesn't mean that one is racist. I prefer living in Switzerland because it fits me more, rather than in USA, am I a racist? It's very delusional to assume that if you would like to live in a certain group and not another, you are being a racist. Rasicm is more than that.
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Jews and Arabs are within the same race but different culture and religion. When two religions/cultures/nations don't agree and hate each other (with one of them that literally hates to the death), it's better and safer to be separated. Especially when one of them has another place to go, like Muslim Arabs, who have a few countries to go and live as Muslim Arabs, while Jews has only one country to live as Jews. Culture has the right to remain a culture if it wants as long as it doesn't harm any cultures. You can't force people to convert their religion or marry to someone from another culture. Muslim Arabs don't want to be Zionist Jews and no one forces them, and Zionists Jews don't want to be Muslim Arabs so why to force them? They have the right to be Jews in the single Jewish country in the world that is also historically connected to them. If they allow any Muslim Arab who wants to live as a Muslim Arab in their country, it will no longer be a Jewish country. Their fear that it may not be a Jewish country is legitimate, given their history. If Jews had a country during the Holocaust, they wouldn't have be so many Jews killed. It doesn't mean that Israel has to throw the Israeli Arabs who are already within it's territory, or any non-Jewish minorities, not at all. It should treat them as equals and with tolerance. From my understanding it treats them fine. But Israel has the complete right to not accept non Jews to Israel as Israeli citizens. Same like Iran or Jordan has the complete right to not accept Jews as its citizens and it does a good job in not accepting Jews as their citizens because they would like their country to be Muslim and Arabic and that's their right. It's interesting that Muslim Arabs are so triggered by Palestinians situation. Instead of hating on Jews for existing as a country and crying about Jews mistreating Arabs, they could open their countries for Palestinians. No Arab country done this so far and I wonder why? Maybe instead of pressure Israel to free Palestine, the pressure should be on Arab countries to accept them? And maybe Muslim Arabs should have enough maturity to realize that they, as Muslims already have Mecca as their grand sacred place, so Jews are also allowed to have their grand sacred place which is in Jerusalem, and was sacred to the Jews much before it became Sacred to Muslims.
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Israel is not an Aparthied state. It's different than South Africa. The situation is definitely unique but not an Aparthied state. Israel has to have borders with Palestinians to insure it will keep being a Jewish country. If not, in a few years it will become like any other Muslim Arabic country in the middle east. Part of Palestinian situation is due to their hatred for Jews, their level of consciousness, not receiving enough support from their Muslim brother all over the world and their curropted leaders rather than Israeli's deliberate ill intentions. From outside it may look bad but when you are in this you understand that this is the wisest thing to do, to protect yourself physically and separate yourself from those who detest you, your culture and would like to kill you.
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Here is Yuval's Noah Harari perspective on Hamas (an Israeli historian, philosopher and the bestselling author of Sapiens, Homo Deus and Unstoppable Us): https://time.com/6324254/israel-hamas-war-peace-yuval-noah-harari/ Some quotes from the article:
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You just proved why Jews need a land of their own, a place far away from antisemitic people like you. My condolences for your hatful and ignorant attitude, I hope there's cure for that.
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Yes but Hamas' goal is not to defend Palestinians but sacrifice Palestinians and kill Jews for the sake of their Islamic ideology. There is a difference between defending when attacked and between killing innocent people for the sake of making some ideology come true. Hamas are like the Israeli settlers but much more extreme and dangerous. Israeli settlers are innocent children near Hamas. History shows that Israel doesn't attack Palestine out of no where. And when Israel attacks it's because it gets attacked by Palestine. Hamas knows very well that when it attacks Israel, Israel attacks it in return. Hamas are not an innocent army defending their nation, they are cynically using their nation as a human sheild for the sake of their ideology. And if they deliberately put their people as sheild, it's not Israel's problem. Israel is already do it's best to make sure that innocent civilians wouldn't suffer. If Israel was the one initiating attacks on innocent Palestinians, making suicidal terror in Palestine while Palestine have an army that do everything to defend it's nation, like the IDF, that was another story but it's not the case.
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It's not ok either. They don't respect the agreement, they are extremities and very ideological but at least they don't perform what Hamas does.
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It isn't justified. Nothing justify killing people for the sake of killing. If you can't see Hamas for what it is, I feel sorry for you. This is a conspiracy.
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Israel has already resumed the water supply to the southern Gaza. Gaza is not starving and never starved because of Israel, they still receive constant food supply from international resources. If Gaza is ever starve is because of Hamas. Now Israel paused the war to provide an humanitarian aid to Gaza while Hamas is still bombing Israel with rockets from North Korea, Russia and Iran. The comparison to Nazis is absurd, you are literally talking from ignorance without checking the facts. Israel didn't have to pause the war but it paused it because it's a conscious and development country. Hamas are closer to Nazis in their level of consciousness and actions. In their documents found by the IDF they wrote that their plan is to kill as much Jews as possible, and they did it brutally, killed Israeli and Jewish people in the most brutal way, worse than dying by gassing. Hamas are worse than Nazis and you are literally support and justify their cruelty. Those lands were gradually sold to Zionists, please to more research. Zionists didn't believe in fighting violently for land but by buying it. They were helped by rich Jews like Rothschild. Here's another link: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews Here's another one: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/jews-and-arabs-descended-from-canaanites/ Of course you don't hate Jews. You hate bullies. Hamas have killed and tortured more than 1200 innocent citizens in Israel and have taken 150 of them as hostages and God knows what horrible things they are doing to them right now. Sounds like they are serious bullies. Why do you have sympathy for that? Why you justify that? You said that you have no sympathy for bullies, or do you mean that you have no sympathy for bullies expect those who bully Jews? Oh of course, you are biased against Israel and USA. And you geniunly believe that you care about truth? I think that you are in a serious denial.
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You are invited to do your own research, I've done mine and according to my research, this information is accurate. There is a reason that Israeli army is called Israel Defense Forces, IDF, and history shows that Israel is the one who gets attacked and very rarely attacks first. Hamas is an Islamic Resistance movement, who is sworn to Israel's destruction and wants to replace it with an Islamic state, and history shows that they believe in initiating attacks on Israel in order to make their ideology come true, even at the expense of Palestinians lives.
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They are the minority.
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I share the same vision with you, of unity and disappearance of identities. I wish it wasn't an issue in our world. However, from merely observing the middle east, Israel which is associated with Jewish people is more democratic and liberal than countries associated with Islam, so I would say that Jews overall are pushing towards that direction more than Muslims in the middle east. It's only recently that Israeli's government became that extreme, it wasn't that before and I believe that the majority of Israeli people don't support this government. Israel as a modern country is new. However, it's a continuity of ancient Jews tribes who lived on this land for a thousands of years.
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It didn't took them 12 hours to come, it might have taken 12 hours to fight and catch the terrorists in the entire Israeli area close to Gaza but the forces came much earlier than that. Yes they were surprised and shocked and of course unprepared and unaware of the how great the event is. Hamas are really bad savages and they exist and get stronger as long as Israel keeps being letinant with them. Yes, both want 100% of Israel and both are two stubborn egos. However, I would say that it's safer for Muslim Arabs to live under Israel government rather than for Jews to live under an Islamic government. There is no simple solution to that. It's different because Muslim Arabs have bunch of countries. While Jews has only one which is a place that is genetically and culturally connected to them. Yes, Jews could immerse into other people but they didn't, why they have to? Does anyone expect Arab, French or German people to do that? Then why Jews have to do that? They have the right to have their culture and live peacefully. Jews historically lived in their closed communities and didn't touched anyone. History proves that Jews are one of the most scapegoated nation of humanity. As a relatively conscious person I'm aware that it's not ok at all and I wouldn't support that. It's very cool to hate Jews, but no one asks why or provide a good explanation for that. Only excuses such:"Jews think that they are the chosen by God and it's so annoying". So what? Is that justifying holocaust or any terror against them? Is that justifying them not having their safe place, safe country while other cultures have bunch of land and freedom to live according their views?
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No it's not. These innocent people just wanted to live, didn't bother anyone. Young people was peacefully partying, how the fuck they are a threat to Palestine? These "native" Palestinians sold their lands to Zionists, and also were encouraged by some of their Arab leaders to do that, telling them that they will throw Jews to the sea afterwards to get their territory back. It seems for me like Arabs did business with Zionists and now when they see that they cannot undo the transaction, they claim that it was stolen. It's not the same. This cutting is a sanction as a result of the Hamas crime against Israel, until then, they were supplied with water and electricity. What is really Nazi is to kill innocent people the way Hamas did, merely because they are Israeli or Jewish. Canaanites are the ancestors of most Jews and Arabs in Israel: https://english.m.tau.ac.il/news/canaanites However, Judaism in Israel is much more ancient than Arabic Islam in Israel. Ancient Hebrew language was one of the most common languages of the Canaanites with other languages similar to ancient Hebrew. I'm not Jewish but you might be a Muslim. I suppose you hate Jews because you were raised so? You may want to think with yourself if your hatred distorts your perception of truth?
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@jimwell The people who lived before Jews haven't claimed this territory yet, maybe because they have already immersed into Jews population and doesn't exist as a culture anymore. The conflict now is between Jews and Muslim Arabs and if there is one who's more historically entitled to this land, in my opinion and common sense, those are Jews. There is nothing immature in wanting a land if you are a culture without a land. This is the most reasonable thing to do if you are a culture with no land, especially if your culture is pursued by lots of enemies. I respect Gabor Mate but he sees this from a stage green naive perspective, and as a Jew who lives a safe life not in Israel and not under constant attack from terrorists like Hamas. It doesn't mean that the destruction of Palestinians is good or ok, it's sad and painful, but I believe that Israel has in general more mercy and good intentions towards innocent Palestinians than vice versa. Israel's army literally told Palestinians to be evacuated so they will be able to destroy the terrorists without destroying innocent civilians, this is pretty noble in my opinion. Hamas, on the other hand believes in killing innocent Israeli and Jews as much as possible. History proves that the more letinant Israel with Hamas is, the worse. Israel's big mistake is to be to naive, believing that it's possible to make peace with antisemitic radical Muslims.
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Israeli army was unprepared and too carefree, they didn't imagine that this could ever happened. I heard that most of the military forces were in the west bank because there were attacks from there. I know that Hamas was training and planning this for a year, the Israel army knew about that but didn't connected the dots, they thought that it would be something minor like it always was. They under estimated Hamas. The Israeli right wing government is also responsible to this oversight, I think someone in the government have already admitted that. I know that the army received information at 3:00 am Saturday about something that may happen from Gaza in the morning, the senior officers of the army discussed it on the phone and decided to further discuss it on 8:00 am. They didn't expect that it will happen in 3 hours, at 6:00 am. Why Israel occupies the territory? I'm not the one to ask, but I assume that it wants to survive and thrive like any other country, and if it wasn't occupy Palestine, it wouldn't survive because Palestine isn't interested in co existence but in total occupation either at the expense of Jews lives. Both sides want 100% of Israel/Palestine territory. It's a question of what side is entitled to the land more. I recognize that Palestinians lived in Israel in the past hundreds of years but I do believe that Israel is more entitled to this land because Jews lived there prior to Muslim Arabs and for longer. People forget that someone occupied Jews and took their homes in Israel/Palestine before Zionists did this to the Palestinians. From Israeli perspective, they returned to the land that someone have stolen from them a thousands years ago.
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Everything is justified to "free palestine" even performing such violence towards innocent Israeli Jewish people, doing second holocaust to them. That certainly will free Palestine. Don't you know? All the Jewish and Israeli people deserve to die by torture, because Palestine should be free. It's a legitimate way to defend Palestine. Killing babies, burning people alive and raping women. There are no limits to what we are entitled to do against Jewish people because our goal to free Palestine justify everything. Everything. So what if Hamas causes Palestine great suffer, more than Israel can ever cause, it's much more convenient to hate Israel and Jews. It always was. Who cares about Israeli people and their life? Their lives are cheap. More important is to free palestine which means to erase all the Israeli and Jews from Israel aka Palestine. Don't they have other place to go? Fuck them, who cares, we need more Arab and Muslim countries in the world, there are not enough Muslim and Arab countries in this world.
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This is so convenient to hate Jews. This is a long hatred since Muhammad's days. If Palestine was "occupied" by Muslim Arabs from Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt they would never called this "occupation" and there were no need to "free Palestine". My condolences to Israel and Jewish people that they have to deal with this shit, being one against all these Muslim countries that hate them so irrationally and consistently for merely existing.
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This is what you are actually doing right now: believing everything that the media says. And it's funny that you base your beliefs on an AI detector generated by a pro-Palestinian biased account. This website, claiming that the burned baby picture is AI-generated, seems more fake than the burned baby picture, which unfortunately appears to be real—too real. It seems that they are trying to cover and deny Hamas' cruelty because it portrays them as savages, and they don't want to look like savages in front of Westerners, as the savages that they truly are. They want to appear as victims so that naive Westerners will support them. This is not the only picture of a burned baby, unfortunately, there are many of them, and not only babies. You don't even understand the level of cruelty that Hamas is capable of. You think that they are innocent fighters for freedom, and you believe that your support of Palestinians and Hamas means something to them. However, as long as you are a Western woman, a non-Muslim woman without radical Islamic beliefs, you better stay as far away from them as possible. They don't care about your peaceful ideas, you are a sinner to them who deserves death and torture. They are Islamic radicals who would harm anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. They don't care about life, freedom, humanity, or rights, they care about their ideology and living a radical Muslim lifestyle while having control over Al-Aqsa, even if it means killing innocent Jews and sacrificing innocent Palestinians along the way. What would you have done if these kinds of radicals were attacking you and your family? Would you still support them and see them as victims? You keep being naive because you cannot imagine living near such bloodthirsty savages. Nothing can justify their cruel actions, no matter how much land Israel occupies. What Hamas did to innocent Israeli people is a new level of devilry, especially after Israel made numerous attempts to achieve peace with Palestinians and Hamas. Israel is the civilized country that made efforts to pursue peace, but unfortunately, those attempts were consistently rejected by Palestine and Hamas. If they were genuinely interested in peace, there could have been a resolution, and this conflict might not have persisted.
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Lila9 replied to Anton Rogachevski's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
This guy says what millions of Palestinians are afraid to say. Hamas causes more damage to Palestinians than Israel ever could. Hamas sacrifices Palestinians and sees this as a legitimate thing to do in the name of Allah and their radical Islamic beliefs. -
Israel is not fighting against Palestinians and innocent civilians, it's fighting against the terrorists who lead these innocent people, namely Hamas. These terrorists receive a significant amount of money to improve the lives of the Palestinians, but they use it for weapons, targeting innocent Israeli/Jewish people. Hamas deliberately locates themselves and their weapons in civilian homes, schools, and hospitals in Gaza so if Israel attacking Hamas, it will harm innocent people on the way. They don't care about Palestinians. Instead, they cynically exploit their deaths to receive support and mercy from the West, and it really works. Israel ensures it informs citizens before attacking the Hamas basements in the citizens' buildings, providing them with time to escape and save their lives. Israel is not perfect, but it does what it can to avoid harming innocent people. Unlike Hamas, which brutally kills innocent Israelis, committing acts such as violent assaults on Israeli women, beheading babies, burning people alive, shooting unarmed individuals without any means to defend themselves, and cutting the belly of a pregnant Israeli woman. These are just a few examples of their brutality. Some argue that they are more brutal than ISIS. I have never heard of the Israeli people or army committing such cruel acts against Palestinians. Nothing can justify what Hamas has done to Israeli people. Israel does not want to kill or harm Palestinians, it simply aims to defend itself. Hamas does want to harm Israeli innocent people, and it does it deliberately and believes that there is value and heroism in doing that, in killing innocent Israeli population. From Hamas's POV, it's very lucrative to be a terrorist, especially against Israel. If you are a terrorist and you're caught alive by Israelis, you will be imprisoned, but you will live like a king in the prison, literally like a king because they receive such good conditions. You even have the opportunity to get an education. If you are a terrorist and you die, by Islamic belief, you will enjoy intimacy with 72 virgins and will be defined as a "Shaheed", you will be remembered as a hero, and your family will receive lots of respect. Now Israel has informed the residents of North Gaza to evacuate to the south of Gaza because Hamas has their basements in the north. Israel wants to destroy the leadership of Hamas because it's fed up with its brutality. This demonstrates that Israel's primary objective is to target terrorists, not innocent Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas told the residents of North Gaza to stay because Hamas wants them to die as a result of Israel attacking North Gaza, as their deaths serve Hamas by bringing more support to Palestine, which means more money for Hamas to carry out their actions. The enemy of Palestinians is not Israel but Hamas and radical Islam, first and foremost. I've watched a video about Palestinians cursing Hamas for what they have done to them. The interest should be to eliminate terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah and not modern and integrated countries like Israel. Israel is the most democratic, conscious, developed, and sane country in the Middle East. It has such integrity that it hospitalizes terrorists who killed Israeli people in excellent hospitals in Israel, which is insane. I don't know about other countries that do the same to people who are trying to destroy it. The reality in Israel is even scarier than the reality in Gaza because, as an Israeli, you don't know when the next attack from Hamas is coming. You can be at the beach, at home sleeping, at a party with friends, and a terrorist can try to kill you by surprise at any moment, or by a rocket randomly and unexpectedly launched at your home. Your life and the lives of your loved ones are too fragile. No matter what you do or where you go, you always have to carry in your mind the chance that you and your family/friends will get hurt or die in a terror attack, at the hands of someone who deliberately wants to kill you and will take great pride in it. You have to be super alert. If you are a Palestinian in Gaza, at least you get the chance to be informed that in an hour, your home will be bombed because there is a Hamas basement on the roof of the building you are living in, so you have the opportunity to escape and save your life. The Israeli people don't have this privilege. Yes, some radicals in Israel wants to occupy more land, but it doesn't justify brutally killing them by Hamas. Most of Israeli citizens don't want to occupy more land. Even if they wanted, that's fair in my opinion. Jewish people have only one country while Muslims have more than 50 countries. More than 50 countries. But ironically, Muslims are so conflicted between eachother. No Muslim country wants Palestinians in their territory.
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This is so cruel. Look at what Hamas did in Israel. They deliberately slaughtered the heads of babies. Raped women. Killed old people. Burned people alive. They have performed devilry equal to medieval times. They did this with intention and great laughter and happiness. They would have continued if they hadn't been stopped by the Israeli army. They are fueled by pure hatred towards Israel and the Jewish people. They are terrorists, and nothing can justify what they have done. Nothing. This is pure cruelty. Hamas is a corrupted organization that doesn't care about Palestine or Palestinians. They are religious fanatics. Gaza receives so much money from the world to improve the lives of Palestinian people, but Hamas uses it to create more weapons to kill people, and they use their people as shields. If not for Hamas, maybe Israel and Palestine could find some resolution. Maybe. Maybe innocent people wouldn't have been killed. It's amazing that Palestinian terrorists (who killed Israeli people, families, children) receive such good treatment in Israel, including medical care in the best hospitals and good prison conditions, yet the world still complains about Israel's integrity. Israel is the only and the most integrated country in the Middle East. Instead of supporting it, they support Palestinian terrorists and Islamic radical fundamentalists who have convinced them that they are the biggest victims.