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Shani Louk's death has been confirmed after her family believed she was alive and heavily injured in Gaza's hospital which happen to be a false report:

What an Israeli Arab says about the claim that Israel is a stolen Palestinian land:

That's an amusing video which explains what westerns (stage green mostly I suppose) don't get about Hamas:

This is the same pro-palestinian narrative that I hear everywhere. Looking at both narratives, the pro-israeli and the pro-palestinian, the pro-israeli makes more sense to me. The pro-palestinian narrative sees Judaism, Zionism, Israel in general as some sort of modern nazis which I find not grounded in reality and even laughable comparison. And all of this while they portray antisemitic, radical Islamistic terror organization which resemble Nazis more (and at the same level of development as Nazis were) as something legitimate.

You think that I support Israel from ill intentions of supporting things like genocide and occupation in the classical definition but from my pov I don't see genocide nor occupation. I see a democratic country who have to deal with terrorists and put strong boundaries, to ensure its existence. And not only one group of them, there are threats from all the corners. I see country who does everything to defend its people and to treat its enemies the best it can, given the circumstances. I see country who must occupy territory, at this given moment, to ensure its safety, not necessarily to get stronger or richer. I see country of persecuted minority who wishes to exist peacefully in the land they were explled from 2000 years ago. I see this conflict not as a conflict between Israel and Palestine, but between blue/orange/green values and between purple/red/blue values. I know that conflicts are natural, especially conflicts about values which always happen. I know that I have preference for the first values rather than the second because they more suit mine. I don't think Israel is perfect, I don't think its current government is good or healthy, but I think that people put Israel on too high standards, certain standards they wouldn't have put themselves if they were in the same situation.

It's really heartwarming to watch. And yes the western comfortable life disconnects people from how bad things can be and how valuable democracy is.

Israeli Arabs got asked who do they want as their government, Israel or Palestine:

In the meantime, Hamas is bombing Israel non-stop and targeting hospitals in Israel. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzJcxoyokyW/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Children are the most vulnarble population for such Islamic, anti Israel, radical ideas.

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No, I'm saying that other Arab countries don't want them because they make troubles in other Arab countries as well.

They have a collective trauma to heal as well. But they have already started their healing process by building a beautiful, democratic and progressive country with their own hands, which is a good start.

I didn't say that Hamas represents Palestinian people. But Palestinian people as a collective have such mindset that allows them to create and accept this kind of leadership.

I've found why, they scared of Palestinian extremities. Seems they have already tried to accept Palestinian refugees in the past, but it led to terrible outcome and put themselves in danger.

This comparison between Hamas and IDF is poor. We talk about totally different levels of development, different strategy and different motivations. You can say what you want about IDF but I've never seen them desecrate bodies or parading naked dead Muslim women in Tel Aviv while people there cheering them.

Jews were displaced from many countries. Could they just go to there and attack innocent people in the countries they were displaced from because of that? If not, then why Arabs can and it will be ok? Especially while there are so many Arab countries who could let them in, why don't they let them in if they so care about them? There are so many Muslim Arab countries, nobody's question their existence, no one question Palestine's right for existence, even though there are so many of them, yet, Israel, the only Jewish country, is always in doubt? If it was the opposite, with one Muslim Arab country with Jewish refugees, in the middle of many Jews countries, everyone would pressure the Jewish countries to let the Jews refugees in instead of abusing the one Muslim country, from all sides, and question its existence. Why only Israel always in question? Countries in the world were built upon tremendous abuse and suffer, more than Palestinians could ever experience and yet, nobody's question them. Why these always the Jews who are get questioned? My conclusion is that there are antisemitic beliefs that are deeply integrated in the collective psyche. And the solution wouldn't be to eliminate Jews and to fight them and not allow them to exit but to accept them, to realize their right to have their own country. Yes, their country. This is only one, which is Israel. From Jesus days and prior to that. And turn the jelousy of them into motivation, to be better. If you look at their history, you realize that on the collective level, Jews are great manifastors who rock and roll the game of survival and this should be as inspiration, not something to hate or detest. Or fight impulsively. If Palestine and the Arab world would have understood that, there wouldn't have such ugly war between them. This conflict literally based on the difficulty of the Muslim Arab world to accept a Jewish country.

@Gennadiy1981 @Nivsch Your experience is valid and important. Yes, it feels like you are talking to a wall right now, I also feel this as well but I'm sure your comments as Israelies help to people who're reading it and don't know much about the conflict to have a better perspective. If at least one person here became wiser and more educated about this conflict, thanks to you, maybe it's not that useless after all. If you choose to not participate, I understand. This can be emotionally draining to argue with people who question Israel's right to exist because of some irrational, primitive and antisemitic beliefs which are very difficult to remove.

I heard about it either. I also heard evidence about a 14-15 years old girl who was found dead, shot in the head, lying on her belly without pants with legs spread apart and cum on her back.

What are the oldest tricks in the book? Why so miser with words? Explain yourself. I'm surprised that someone is justifyng burning people, beheading babies, killing women, raping them, parading dead women in Gaza while the crowed is spitting on them only because they happen to be Jews living in Israel. Seems odd for the 21th century. I don't believe that this barbaric behavior can be ever justified. Do you have radical love for terrorists like Hamas but not for innocent people who happen to live in Israel? And you preach about radical love and mind games? Have you ever bothered taking a look in your mind before you judge the minds of others?

Please, I'm not going to look into your posts now. It seems that you forgot some things. Didn't you blame Israel for the massacre committed by Hamas? Because of the Palestinians conditions or something? I don't even justify it now, I don't justify it when 1 innocent civilian killed, there is no justification for that. But I am aware that Hamas doesn't make it easier for Israel and deliberately uses Palestinians to make Israel look less moral than it actually is. My criticism is about people who are so blinded with hatred towards Israel that they don't put Hamas accantubale to their crimes against Palestinians and even protect them and natively see them as innocent fighters. And my criticism is also for the Arab countries who do nothing for Palestinians but complain about their conditions. So what? You are here for a while on this forum, I've never seen you commenting about non Palestinian refugees and innocent civilians being killed, which always happens. These issues didn't bother you. What if there was another Arabic country instead of Israel which is in conflict with Palestine, would you have cared? You don't know how to differentiate between people and their opinions. You think that if I don't agree with you this is a personal attack on you. This is why you are so triggered. Maybe this is the opportunity to realize that people have the soverty to think differently than you? Without personally attacking them and calling them in names? Because... well.... we are grown humans and not 5 years old children?

No, how my mind works?

By your perspective I'm retarded and MAGA and you are so enlightened and good, so why to bother arguing with me at all? Don't you have better things to do rather than debating with people you consider stupid?

But this is what you do. You have already justified Hamas in your posts by saying that everyone would act like them and you tried to make me to say that I will also act like them, lol. Perhaps you, not me. No matter what, I never beheade babies, cut body parts, rape people and burn them alive, no matter what my condition is. And it's not like you are not binary, look at your arguments and see how binary you are before pointing your fingers on me. Where I draw the line? From my perspective no one should be ever killed, my view is very naive and idealistic. But the reality of war is ugly, it's a war of survival between two cultures. To say to you that I'm happy that Innocent civilians, no matter what side are killed? Of course not. But ask yourself for a second, why do you so care about these particular people who are being killed at this particular time? After all, there are many refugees in the world, among them children who are killed in horrible ways and yet you don't talk about them at all, you don't even bother to mention them because they are not Palestinians fighting against Israel. Do you care about Palestinian people in particular? That's ok, admit that and say that you care about them in particular while any other child or innocent civilian in the world can fuck off, instead of puting yourself in this highly moralistic chair of a social justice warrior who "only cares about innocents".

I believe that most of their reports are false. They play with western's emotions, create a narrative in which Israel look like the evil and themselves as saints, freedom fighters (lol). Good manipulation, and it's really working to make people to forget the ISIS crimes they made in Israel. I don't fall to their trap. Sorry.