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Everything posted by Lila9
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I don't know. There are Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and Syria who aren't treated well by Lebanon and Syria. They have endured massacres throughout their history and continue to face violence due to various disputes with local leadership. Their situation is worse than in Israel, their refugees caps really look like refugees camps. Surprisingly, this situation doesn't lead to thousands of pro-Palestinians protesting on the streets of New York and London. It appears to be a unique case where they are very selective in caring about bullying, perhaps because it involves a small Jewish country. I think that living in the West and being on solid legal ground doesn't make them immune to anti-Semitism or devoid of an anti-Semitic shadow. When these individuals advocate for Palestinians to be liberated "from the river to the sea," put the entire blame on Israel and lack in criticism of Hamas and the Arabs countries in the ME which are silent, and ignore the disproportionate hatred of Palestinians and other countries like Iran towards Israel (and even justify it), can be seen as a rejection of the right of the only Jewish country to exist which is pretty antisemitic.
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Free Palestine from the river to the sea 🫡 Wait... What? 🤔
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If Jews are sneaky per your prejudice, then how would you define non-Jews?
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It puts Israel in a too good light 🙂 Not something that worth mentioning as it doesn't fit the "Israel are evil nazis narrative" people want to believe in 🙂
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Phobia from Islam is more rational as there are radical Islamic terrorists who brought lots of terror and fear to the west and still sow fear and terror in the middle east, this fear has some grip in reality. It's not to say that all Muslims scary or that it's a good thing to fear Muslims, but this fear can be understood. While antisemitism isn't very rational as Jews aren't violent in particular or did something that bad or more bad than any other culture that actually justifies the amount of hatred they received and still receiving.
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How would you explain that? ⬇️
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That's insane!
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I can't 😂
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Some humour 😂
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Aren't you projecting?
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The scope of this massacre is unknown, it's estimated to be between a few dozens to a few hundreds. Also, this was made by a small military division which most of them were former Jews terrorists who joined to the military, it didn't represent the agenda of the military and this massacre was criticized by the military. It's clear that the Nakba is considered a disaster by the Palestinians, something bad and terrible that happened to them by Jews. Perhaps there are attempts to compare it to the holocaust. However, from historical pov, there was a war between Arabs and Jews on territory that was British at that time and the Jews won.
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Continuous and systematic research of Human Rights Watch by NGO Monitor, which researches non-governmental organizations around the world, has found that HRW is focused on disproportionate condemnations against Israel and that the organization's publications about Israel are often unreliable. https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/collection_of_annual_reports_on_human_rights_watch/
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Yes, I definitely see that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. I'm concerned that this article doesn't emphasize that Hamas is hiding among civilians, including in the Al Shifa hospital mentioned, which houses 9,000 patients. There are tunnels, arsenals, and control rooms beneath the hospital and within it. The fact that it hasn't been attacked by the IDF yet probably indicates that the IDF is likely working on a plan to eliminate the Hamas presence there while causing as little harm to innocent civilians as possible. Additionally, the article doesn't mention Hamas's blockade of escape routes or how they waited for people who evacuated and either killed them or sent them back to the north of Gaza. This article also fails to address why, to this day, Gaza Strip, which is not occupied by Israel, still relies on electricity, water, and fuel from Israel, despite the substantial amount of money invested in Gaza and the billions held by its leadership. These resources could be used to permanently resolve these issues without dependence on Israel, instead of purchasing weapons to attack innocent Israeli civilians and maintain the conflict. The article only focuses on Israel's role in temporary, due to the attack, not supplying these resources, which is often taken for granted, as Israel is not obligated to provide them. It seems that this article doesn't acknowledge Hamas's war crimes against the Palestinian people, and I'm concerned that they may be biased. This Human Rights Watch organization is known as anti-Israeli organization who tends to spread pro-palestinian propaganda. Human Rights Watch express their concern that Israel is bombing innocent civilians and not solely targeting Hamas. While this is a legitimate concern given their role, it doesn't necessarily reflect how the Israeli army is actually operating. In your opinion, what can Israel do to eliminate Hamas in Gaza while protecting civilians, considering the circumstances of Hamas locating themselves among civilians? Do you believe it's possible or realistic to achieve zero civilian deaths in such an operation? If not, how many deaths of innocent civilians can be expected in such an operation, given that the IDF is very careful and does its best to prevent them?
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Yes, it was carried out by a group of Jewish terrorists (as defined by the British Mandate) before the Arab-Israeli war on May 14, 1948. They were considered extremities (called "Haezel") who believed in claiming the land through acts of terror against Arabs and British people. However, this does not represent the way Jews fought against Arabs in 1948, which was simply a war of the Jews moderate military "Hahagna" (which evolved to IDF) and Arabs of Israel, including Arabs from Lebanon, Iraq, the Muslim Brotherhood organization, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.
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"You will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke - come on, we are waiting for you" Palestinian political activist Ahed Tamimi said. That's when you are raised since birth to hate Jews instead love, co-existence and peace. This is what Israeli soliders are dealing with on the west bank every day, this exact kind of hate, violence and death threats and this is what they are responding to. https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771102
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One day we will be at that place collectively, but it wouldn't happen immediately and by any force or persuasion. It happens gradually every single day, we are constantly moving to there as a human collective, not necessarily linearly.
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That's really funny, I see all these protestors for freedom for Palestine having no clue about what they protesting about. All they know is to throw words that sounds bad to the westerns ears, like occupation and operssion and blame Israel for its mere existence. This guy who renamed Judea to Palestine had no clue what mess he created 😂 If the name Judea wasn't changed, perhaps it was eaiser to convince the world about the ancient relation of Jews to this land.
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Palestinians were asked when Palestine was established:
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I acknowledge that innocent civilians being killed in Gaza and it's heartbreaking. Do Israel has the intention of killing innocents as a collective punishment? I don't know and I don't think so because if they did that they wouldn't bother to request Palestinians to evacuate.
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Objective truth would also address the war crimes Hamas commits against Israeli and Palestinian people instead of justifying them.
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I agree that being oppressed cause rage. It's natural. But you portray a picture in which Israel is the only oppressor of Palestinians and every negative thing in their lives is because of Israel. It's very simplistic view, even black and white. If you talk about oppression of the Palestinians seriously, you have to address their leadership throughout the time which is either curropted or extremely radical or both and is responsible for most of their misery, poverty and underdevelopment, and it's not helping that their own leadership systemically convince Palestinians that all the source of their misery is Israel so they would not be motivated to rebel against their leadership and at the same time to be angry enough at Israel to commit even worse crimes against innocent Israeli people. Even Mossab Hassan Yousef which is the son of Hamas founder said that Palestinians are brainwashed to blame Israel for their oppression while their biggest oppressors are their leaders and he knows better than both of us as he actually grew up there and saw how they operate, how they treat people. You also have to address Hamas usage of places like hospitals, schools, residential building as arsenals, control rooms, hiding place for terrorists knowngly they risking Palestinians.
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The world sees Israel as a bully but from Israel pov they are the victim as it's a one Jewish country against a few Muslim Arab countries who are against it's existence. The definition of who is the bully and who is the abuser is not 100% clear as every side interprets things differently and operates from their own survival bias. And the notion that Israel has stolen the land from Palestinians is questionable either as from Israel pov, some terertories were purchased by Zionists from Arabs (even though it was prohibited by their leadership) while the rest was given by the British Mandate, as there was no Palestinian country at that time. Questions like the following questions arise: What is Palestine? When and by whom the Palestinian state was founded? What were the borders of this state? What was its capital? What were its major cities? What form did its government have? Are the people called Palestinians are something other than generic Arabs gathered from the surrounding areas? If do, what they are? Who they are?
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Hamas ideology is to have the entire Israel and to eliminate all the Jews there, no less. From their stage of development, Israel's letinant approach interpretated as weakness and a proof that their aggressive methods, aka Jihad, do work. And it's grounded in history, when Israel evacuated its people from Gaza streep and give it to the Palestinians, Hamas who existed at that time but wasn't dominant, became stronger and more radicalized. Being letinant with this stage of development is not healthy, country should set its healthy bounderies if it wants to exists. Being letinant at this stage it's like helping to a psychopath who wants to kill you, kill you faster, it's like helping him to kill you. The solution is first to eliminate Hamas and then to find a better leadership for Gaza, it has to be someone strong with western values, not necessarily Israel. It should be someone who would take care of the Palestinians there, protect them from extremists, set real plan of making this place more developed. Because currently they are brainwashed from school to hate Jews and to see killing Jews as something religiously good rather than studying English, Math and other things that would make them normal and productive part of human society. At this stage of moderate leadership there will be the real option to re-negotiate about a two state solution.
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@Emerald I understand. If the situation was flipped and if the middle east would have containted only Jews countries, wouldn't it be expected from them to give some aid and open their gates to the oppressed Jewish minority? Because currently, no Arab country wants to "save" the oppressed Palestinians, and why so? Why it's expected only from Israel to solve this conflict and find a solution even at the expense of its people's lives? While the solutions can be only achieved by cooperation of a few countries. I don't think that Hamas represents all the Palestinians, but there is a mindest which support the growth of such radicalism and not only in what we call Palestine but in the entire middle east, and not necessarily in oppressed minorities.